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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 24, 2023 8:30:42 GMT
Us signing JCH disappeared when Joey Barton left. That's basically what Barry Fry said. Seems harsh to sack Barton for 'footballing reasons' when the club make a huge cock up in not signing one of his main targets who was in the building after already losing a striker. I'd have been fuming. Stange how Taylor currently prefers mobile forwards who don't score, over immobile ones who do... Why blame MT for not signing JCH, do you really believe he's going to be given £100K's to sign a striker? Although if he is then is spending all that money on one player wise anyway, when we probably need up to half a dozen new players to make us competitive at the top of L1. |
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Post by Fetch on Dec 24, 2023 9:09:14 GMT
Us signing JCH disappeared when Joey Barton left. That's basically what Barry Fry said. Seems harsh to sack Barton for 'footballing reasons' when the club make a huge cock up in not signing one of his main targets who was in the building after already losing a striker. I'd have been fuming. Stange how Taylor currently prefers mobile forwards who don't score, over immobile ones who do... Marquis has 3 in 3 under him? |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 24, 2023 9:12:42 GMT
That's basically what Barry Fry said. Seems harsh to sack Barton for 'footballing reasons' when the club make a huge cock up in not signing one of his main targets who was in the building after already losing a striker. I'd have been fuming. Stange how Taylor currently prefers mobile forwards who don't score, over immobile ones who do... Marquis has 3 in 3 under him? Hush you, with your "facts". |
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Post by supergas on Dec 24, 2023 10:45:41 GMT
Not really sure that's relevant though to be fair. If Taylor had been our manager all that time, then maybe. But suggesting a couple of sh*te signings (who just happened to be young) effectively point towards us not being able to sign a quality youngster moving forwards is a bit far fetched IMO.
By the same token, I could argue "anyone thinking we can splash a bit of cash and get a decent striker", I give you Martin Cameron, Mickey Evans, Tom Nichols etc. etc. etc. Of course its possible to find them but I dont think we have the resources to do that, and that has been backed up with our poor record of signing young players. JCH will score goals and goals win games. No brainer for me but if the club think they can do better for less money ill get the popcorn out.... 17 games since we last failed to score, in fact only failed to score three times this season (from 28 games). Only four clean sheets in those same games. If we have budget to spend on decent players then the defense is where we will currently get more return on investment given we rarely fail to score... |
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Post by playtowin on Dec 24, 2023 12:07:34 GMT
Of course its possible to find them but I dont think we have the resources to do that, and that has been backed up with our poor record of signing young players. JCH will score goals and goals win games. No brainer for me but if the club think they can do better for less money ill get the popcorn out.... 17 games since we last failed to score, in fact only failed to score three times this season (from 28 games). Only four clean sheets in those same games. If we have budget to spend on decent players then the defense is where we will currently get more return on investment given we rarely fail to score... It might be a case of deciding on a formation and tactics then deciding who can fit that best and who to let go. We may even let very good players leave simply because we can not fit them into a winning formula. |
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Post by supergas on Dec 24, 2023 12:12:19 GMT
17 games since we last failed to score, in fact only failed to score three times this season (from 28 games). Only four clean sheets in those same games. If we have budget to spend on decent players then the defense is where we will currently get more return on investment given we rarely fail to score... It might be a case of deciding on a formation and tactics then deciding who can fit that best and who to let go. We may even let very good players leave simply because we can not fit them into a winning formula. I've never understand the idea of a set formation/tactics - every other team will simply do their best to play to their strengths and exploit our weaknesses if they know what we will do every game... ...I know this is easier said than done but to play football at this level you need a squad with players who can play in at least a couple of positions and who are intelligent/skillful enough to adapt to different formations, different tactics and different oppositions. Easy in theory, hard in practice.... |
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Post by playtowin on Dec 24, 2023 12:33:07 GMT
It might be a case of deciding on a formation and tactics then deciding who can fit that best and who to let go. We may even let very good players leave simply because we can not fit them into a winning formula. I've never understand the idea of a set formation/tactics - every other team will simply do their best to play to their strengths and exploit our weaknesses if they know what we will do every game... ...I know this is easier said than done but to play football at this level you need a squad with players who can play in at least a couple of positions and who are intelligent/skillful enough to adapt to different formations, different tactics and different oppositions. Easy in theory, hard in practice.... I think its just about memory imprinting. When players repeat things so often it becomes second nature. The players all know where to be and what to do. This is where you need a good organiser at the back and a reader of the game in midfield who will fill in the risky gaps. Gerry Francis had his teams work this way. The thing of note from the 89/90 season was Rovers conceded less goals at home and away than any other team in the league.They lost the least away games and didnt lose at home all season. The goals scored were good but plenty of other teams scored more or similar numbers home and away. The defensive organisation of the team and a good spread of goal scorers is what won the league. |
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Post by supergas on Dec 25, 2023 5:58:45 GMT
I've never understand the idea of a set formation/tactics - every other team will simply do their best to play to their strengths and exploit our weaknesses if they know what we will do every game... ...I know this is easier said than done but to play football at this level you need a squad with players who can play in at least a couple of positions and who are intelligent/skillful enough to adapt to different formations, different tactics and different oppositions. Easy in theory, hard in practice.... I think its just about memory imprinting. When players repeat things so often it becomes second nature. The players all know where to be and what to do. This is where you need a good organiser at the back and a reader of the game in midfield who will fill in the risky gaps. Gerry Francis had his teams work this way. The thing of note from the 89/90 season was Rovers conceded less goals at home and away than any other team in the league.They lost the least away games and didnt lose at home all season. The goals scored were good but plenty of other teams scored more or similar numbers home and away. The defensive organisation of the team and a good spread of goal scorers is what won the league. I'm all for playing to our strengths. To conserve budget you sign players to suit a primary pattern and stick to it wherever possible. But if you do that 46 times a season, after 10-15 games you'll start to get found out - either because you have players injured/suspended or because the opposition figures you out and adapts to be strong where you are weak. I was only 11 in 89/90 and just starting to understand what football was all about. My gut instinct looking back tells me at that time there were mostly 24 teams playing their set way and if your team's set way worked more often than anyone else, you'd win the league. The game has changed a lot in the past 30 years and these are professional footballers - if they can't learn how to play in multiple tactical setups with different objectives against different opposition, maybe we really are paying them too much for what we get back... |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 25, 2023 11:00:17 GMT
I think its just about memory imprinting. When players repeat things so often it becomes second nature. The players all know where to be and what to do. This is where you need a good organiser at the back and a reader of the game in midfield who will fill in the risky gaps. Gerry Francis had his teams work this way. The thing of note from the 89/90 season was Rovers conceded less goals at home and away than any other team in the league.They lost the least away games and didnt lose at home all season. The goals scored were good but plenty of other teams scored more or similar numbers home and away. The defensive organisation of the team and a good spread of goal scorers is what won the league. I'm all for playing to our strengths. To conserve budget you sign players to suit a primary pattern and stick to it wherever possible. But if you do that 46 times a season, after 10-15 games you'll start to get found out - either because you have players injured/suspended or because the opposition figures you out and adapts to be strong where you are weak. I was only 11 in 89/90 and just starting to understand what football was all about. My gut instinct looking back tells me at that time there were mostly 24 teams playing their set way and if your team's set way worked more often than anyone else, you'd win the league. The game has changed a lot in the past 30 years and these are professional footballers - if they can't learn how to play in multiple tactical setups with different objectives against different opposition, maybe we really are paying them too much for what we get back... I recall we had one goalkeeper for most of the season and probably only fielded about 14 different outfield players. Squads these days are probably well over 20. I'd liken it to a bag of golf clubs, a 7 iron and putter would see you round a Pitch and Putt but you'd need a better set if you wanted to play a real 18 hole course. |
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Post by harold66 on Dec 25, 2023 12:34:35 GMT
J C H not the answer, he will never be them same as he was before.
His better days are gone so lets look somewhere else.
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Post by mrgasman on Dec 25, 2023 13:23:56 GMT
J C H not the answer, he will never be them same as he was before. His better days are gone so lets look somewhere else. I’d have him at a good price in a heartbeat. Golden boot last 2 seasons and was still banging them in this season before being benched. A huge upgrade from the strikers we have at present in my opinion. Example, Alfie May is same age and currently top goal scorer, Sam Hoskins another player who is the same age and is banging them in. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 25, 2023 16:15:14 GMT
J C H not the answer, he will never be them same as he was before. His better days are gone so lets look somewhere else. Why won't he be the same as last season, it's not like he's returning from a serious injury or from playing aboard for a couple of seasons, he's simply had a few months rest. Assuming he signs for a decent L1 side you can easily see him scoring 15+ goals for his new side. |
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Post by harold66 on Dec 25, 2023 17:18:59 GMT
J C H not the answer, he will never be them same as he was before. His better days are gone so lets look somewhere else. Why won't he be the same as last season, it's not like he's returning from a serious injury or from playing aboard for a couple of seasons, he's simply had a few months rest. Assuming he signs for a decent L1 side you can easily see him scoring 15+ goals for his new side. We will wait and see then. |
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Post by gasify on Dec 26, 2023 13:31:44 GMT
J C H not the answer, he will never be them same as he was before. His better days are gone so lets look somewhere else. . Golden boot last 2 seasons and was still banging them in this season before being benched. A huge upgrade from the strikers we have at present in my opinion. Example, Alfie May is same age and currently top goal scorer, Sam Hoskins another player who is the same age and is banging them in. I don't think his price is going to be the issue. Peterborough are going to want to take anything for him at the end of Jan. The issue for us is wages. £7.5k a week could send the other players spinning in jealousy or could push us over the ffp limit. |
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Post by outsidehitter30 on Dec 26, 2023 21:05:48 GMT
I would prefer to see Coburn over JCH.
Could he be available?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2023 21:21:16 GMT
I would prefer to see Coburn over JCH. Could he be available? Plays quite regularly so would take a very good bid |
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Post by eric on Dec 26, 2023 21:43:13 GMT
I would prefer to see Coburn over JCH. Could he be available? He’s in a similar position to that which Connor Taylor found himself. Trying to make a go of it with his boyhood club (quite rightly) after a successful loan lower in the pyramid. Gets a few starts, then slips to the bench and then not getting too many minutes. Hopefully he’ll see what Connor Taylor is doing and realise a step down can progress your career. Worth a £500k bid? M’Boro might welcome the cash to part fund another signing? If you don’t ask you don’t get !! |
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Post by canberragas69 on Dec 26, 2023 21:56:19 GMT
Would love Coburn back - first half of last season he and Collins were excellent
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Post by singupgas on Dec 26, 2023 22:20:20 GMT
Other than a handful of games didn't think Coburn did that much with us.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Dec 26, 2023 22:26:31 GMT
Think if we’re not going down the JCH route we need to think outside the box and not a player that we’ve seen before.
With Barton gone I think the ship has sailed on the both of them.
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