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Post by returngas on Dec 27, 2023 11:35:51 GMT
Signing any player, particularly strikers, is always a gamble. I don't know what JCH is like as a person but it always struck me there might be an issue with attitude. Would I risk the type of money Peterborough will want? Probably not, if the price was right towards the end of the window and other options have closed then possibly. See what's about first and look for someone where there is a chance of adding value would be preferable. That said it's always a gamble and MT will no doubt have his own ideas of what's needed. I don't expect a particularly busy window - 2 or 3 moving on and a couple of additions at most. Don't really see any big money signings with play-off hopes a little too far away.
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Post by tbonegas on Dec 27, 2023 12:10:43 GMT
The deal is done. He will be with us sometime in January.
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Post by gasheadontour on Dec 27, 2023 16:35:29 GMT
Considering Posh are going for promotion which would secure many millions extra income, why are they willing to sell JCH rather than offer a new contract or keep until end of season? Why would JCH want to leave Posh rather than see out the season and get a large signing-on fee?
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Post by wilkimania on Dec 27, 2023 16:58:36 GMT
Considering Posh are going for promotion which would secure many millions extra income, why are they willing to sell JCH rather than offer a new contract or keep until end of season? Why would JCH want to leave Posh rather than see out the season and get a large signing-on fee? Because they've already replaced him and he's not playing much for them anymore. So for Posh, they get him off the wage budget and can replace him for cheaper. For JCH, he goes back to getting regular game time. |
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Post by eric on Dec 27, 2023 18:28:50 GMT
Think if we’re not going down the JCH route we need to think outside the box and not a player that we’ve seen before. With Barton gone I think the ship has sailed on the both of them. Glad we didn’t go outside the box when we bought Taylor and Thomas back 😀 |
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Post by gasheadontour on Dec 27, 2023 18:33:26 GMT
Considering Posh are going for promotion which would secure many millions extra income, why are they willing to sell JCH rather than offer a new contract or keep until end of season? Why would JCH want to leave Posh rather than see out the season and get a large signing-on fee? Because they've already replaced him and he's not playing much for them anymore. So for Posh, they get him off the wage budget and can replace him for cheaper. For JCH, he goes back to getting regular game time. Posh are going for promotion so should be worth them keeping him if only as an option from the bench and to cover injuries. Odd situation. |
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Post by popuppirate on Dec 27, 2023 18:37:53 GMT
I still hope we get him, and hopefully for less than half a mill. Chris Wood scored a hat trick yesterday away at Newcastle and he's 32. Having looked at some of JCH's recent goals and highlights, he looks every bit as mobile as he did when he was first with us (maybe more so) and he's as much a guarantee of goals you'll get in this league. Has been on the bench so should be fit and last scored for them mid November when on as a sub. It looks certain he's leaving Peterborough and I reckon we'd be daft not to be in for him again if the price is right
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Post by gasandelectricity on Dec 27, 2023 19:54:55 GMT
Think if we’re not going down the JCH route we need to think outside the box and not a player that we’ve seen before. With Barton gone I think the ship has sailed on the both of them. Glad we didn’t go outside the box when we bought Taylor and Thomas back 😀 Oh don’t get me wrong I’d love to see JCH back. And on a more fanciful note Elliot Anderson too. But outside of those I’d be looking forward only and hoping to make new names at the Mem. |
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Post by gasify on Dec 27, 2023 20:54:29 GMT
The deal is done. He will be with us sometime in January. I don't think it is. I don't really see JCH as a MT player. MT seems to want exactly what we want, the players running their socks off for the cause. JCH doesn't fit with that ideology. |
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Post by popuppirate on Dec 27, 2023 21:48:53 GMT
The deal is done. He will be with us sometime in January. I don't think it is. I don't really see JCH as a MT player. MT seems to want exactly what we want, the players running their socks off for the cause. JCH doesn't fit with that ideology. That is exactly what many said about Barton too though. Someone who scores goals regularly as a striker should fit into anyone's ideology too, given that that's their purpose. Good managers bring out the best in top players, I'd expect Taylor to be able to manage JCH and have him performing for the team. |
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Post by gasify on Dec 27, 2023 22:46:15 GMT
I don't think it is. I don't really see JCH as a MT player. MT seems to want exactly what we want, the players running their socks off for the cause. JCH doesn't fit with that ideology. That is exactly what many said about Barton too though. Someone who scores goals regularly as a striker should fit into anyone's ideology too, given that that's their purpose. Good managers bring out the best in top players, I'd expect Taylor to be able to manage JCH and have him performing for the team. Up to his sacking, we played less of the pressing game this season under Barton. Maybe he was moving away from that strategy? |
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Post by supergas on Dec 28, 2023 2:45:18 GMT
I still hope we get him, and hopefully for less than half a mill. Chris Wood scored a hat trick yesterday away at Newcastle and he's 32. Having looked at some of JCH's recent goals and highlights, he looks every bit as mobile as he did when he was first with us (maybe more so) and he's as much a guarantee of goals you'll get in this league. Has been on the bench so should be fit and last scored for them mid November when on as a sub. It looks certain he's leaving Peterborough and I reckon we'd be daft not to be in for him again if the price is right ...up to half a million for a player who (despite being fit) has not started a League One game for his club since mid-October? Who we know will be the top earner at the club even if he spends the rest of the season starting from our bench... ...if he had no history with us no one would want him signed on current form, even if he wasn't so expensive... |
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Post by popuppirate on Dec 28, 2023 7:00:40 GMT
I still hope we get him, and hopefully for less than half a mill. Chris Wood scored a hat trick yesterday away at Newcastle and he's 32. Having looked at some of JCH's recent goals and highlights, he looks every bit as mobile as he did when he was first with us (maybe more so) and he's as much a guarantee of goals you'll get in this league. Has been on the bench so should be fit and last scored for them mid November when on as a sub. It looks certain he's leaving Peterborough and I reckon we'd be daft not to be in for him again if the price is right ...up to half a million for a player who (despite being fit) has not started a League One game for his club since mid-October? Who we know will be the top earner at the club even if he spends the rest of the season starting from our bench... ...if he had no history with us no one would want him signed on current form, even if he wasn't so expensive... Of course some of us would be interested in someone who scored 26 goals last season, and has averaged nearly 1 goal in 2 for the past 3 years. It would probably be suggested he was out of favour and that we should stick a cheeky bid in, but might assume he wouldn't want to come here or that we'd never spend that much. Who else would we have been looking at with a similar record ? |
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Post by gasify on Dec 28, 2023 9:27:49 GMT
...up to half a million for a player who (despite being fit) has not started a League One game for his club since mid-October? Who we know will be the top earner at the club even if he spends the rest of the season starting from our bench... ...if he had no history with us no one would want him signed on current form, even if he wasn't so expensive... Of course some of us would be interested in someone who scored 26 goals last season, and has averaged nearly 1 goal in 2 for the past 3 years. It would probably be suggested he was out of favour and that we should stick a cheeky bid in, but might assume he wouldn't want to come here or that we'd never spend that much. Who else would we have been looking at with a similar record ? I cannot disagree that a 26 goal a season striker would be great. What I can't get my head around is why are Peterborough so desperate to get rid of him?  This shows that goals per minutes, he is still their best forward. Yet he is benched. It also shows that he has no assists this season, so could it be due to not being a team player? |
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Post by popuppirate on Dec 28, 2023 9:41:11 GMT
Of course some of us would be interested in someone who scored 26 goals last season, and has averaged nearly 1 goal in 2 for the past 3 years. It would probably be suggested he was out of favour and that we should stick a cheeky bid in, but might assume he wouldn't want to come here or that we'd never spend that much. Who else would we have been looking at with a similar record ? I cannot disagree that a 26 goal a season striker would be great. What I can't get my head around is why are Peterborough so desperate to get rid of him? This shows that goals per minutes, he is still their best forward. Yet he is benched. It also shows that he has no assists this season, so could it be due to not being a team player? I presume that's the Peterborough model, to sell him whilst they can still get a decent fee. As for no assists, who cares if he's scoring 1 in 2 ? He's a finisher. |
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Post by gasify on Dec 28, 2023 9:44:05 GMT
I cannot disagree that a 26 goal a season striker would be great. What I can't get my head around is why are Peterborough so desperate to get rid of him? This shows that goals per minutes, he is still their best forward. Yet he is benched. It also shows that he has no assists this season, so could it be due to not being a team player? I presume that's the Peterborough model, to sell him whilst they can still get a decent fee. As for no assists, who cares if he's scoring 1 in 2 ? He's a finisher. Would you rather have a player that scores every 227 mins and has 6 assists or would you rather a player that scores every 176 mins but doesn't assist. It's a genuine question, over the course of a season, does that make a difference? |
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Post by popuppirate on Dec 28, 2023 10:12:11 GMT
I presume that's the Peterborough model, to sell him whilst they can still get a decent fee. As for no assists, who cares if he's scoring 1 in 2 ? He's a finisher. Would you rather have a player that scores every 227 mins and has 6 assists or would you rather a player that scores every 176 mins but doesn't assist. It's a genuine question, over the course of a season, does that make a difference? Dunno. All I can say is we know JCH is available, that we were prepared to pay big for him, and that (under Barton at least) he wanted to come here. If you take those factors away then our choice narrows significantly. I liked Josh Coburn, but expect we'd have to pay a substantial fee and have no idea if he'd drop a division or want to relocate. He would also come with a far lower guarantee of goals imo. We're obviously more upbeat about our chances this season after a fantastic performance, but that doesn't take away the need for more goals in the squad |
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Post by smudge1 on Dec 28, 2023 10:28:29 GMT
Peterborough have said we are longer interested, don't really see what the point is of us discussing further. My opinion , for what it is worth, is we need someone pacier who can keep the high press.
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Post by popuppirate on Dec 28, 2023 10:41:00 GMT
Peterborough have said we are longer interested, don't really see what the point is of us discussing further. My opinion , for what it is worth, is we need someone pacier who can keep the high press. I wouldn't necessarily believe that to be the case, as saying we're out is likely to attract more attention seeing as a deal was nearly done. But yeah, it's also possible it's dead. As for his ability to press, well he's definitely more able than Martin but not nearly as good as Marquis. He can be one hell of a nuisance to defenders though, and would certainly free up our more mobile players |
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Post by gasify on Dec 28, 2023 10:43:32 GMT
Peterborough have said we are longer interested, don't really see what the point is of us discussing further. My opinion , for what it is worth, is we need someone pacier who can keep the high press. When Marquis gets tired, we have limited options from the bench. I think we need two strikers that give us some more options. I agree that the high press has been a good tactic. If any team is good enough to play through that then we just need to applaud them and move on. It will only be one or two teams that can do that, wasn't Portsmouth or Bolton. Blackpool seemed able to. |
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