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Post by wertongas on Jan 18, 2024 11:47:37 GMT
If Peterborough want to waive the transfer fee or agree to us buying up the remaining £160k of his contract and JCH was sensible with his wage demands, I'd take him. As we move closer to the window closing JCH’s value is plummeting to the point I do genuinely think his fee could be the remainder of his contract paid to him as a signing on fee when Posh release him on the 31st of January. Now, it’s a huge gamble but I could see that being very palatable for Rovers and Jonson. It’s just a huge gamble both with that potentially not happening and not renewing Martin’s deal. But he demanded more money in August from us and the deal fell through, has turned down terms offered to him by Charlton, so I very much doubt we could afford his wage demands, and it is very unlikely that he will be coming here , especially as Posh say we ain't intrested in him anymore which is understandable. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2024 12:45:25 GMT
Let the big I am sweat it out and may dawn on him that it looks as if no one of any note wants him or to pay him what he thinks he is worth.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 18, 2024 14:44:50 GMT
If you were Peterborough and he doesn't get sold in January, would you: 1) Keep him for the rest of the season, just in case and suffer the financial impact. 2) Offer him 50% of the rest of his contract and terminate it. Can you continue to sign free agents after the transfer deadline or is there a hard cut off after 1st Feb? I am not sure what the deal is with signing free agents after the second transfer window closes? I did read somewhere that anyone who is released after the window closes will not be able to sign (well register) for another club in the current season. So based on that, Peterborough would have to come to an agreement to release JCH before the window closes which I think is highlight unlikely. Perhaps they'll be forced to release him just to get him off the wage bill, otherwise they'll be paying him £160K just to sit on the bench? |
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Post by Qatar Gas on Jan 18, 2024 18:14:26 GMT
I am not sure what the deal is with signing free agents after the second transfer window closes? I did read somewhere that anyone who is released after the window closes will not be able to sign (well register) for another club in the current season. So based on that, Peterborough would have to come to an agreement to release JCH before the window closes which I think is highlight unlikely. Perhaps they'll be forced to release him just to get him off the wage bill, otherwise they'll be paying him £160K just to sit on the bench? Unless they know for sure he will then sign for someone else they won’t just release him as they will have to pay the remainder of his wages anyway. If he says he will sign for X club if they agree to terminate his contract for free then maybe |
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Post by clockendgas on Jan 18, 2024 18:43:45 GMT
Clearly if he wanted to be here he would be,obviously he doesn't,so let's just move on,sure we can find someone on the up looking to progress.
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Post by mrgasman on Jan 18, 2024 18:51:02 GMT
Perhaps they'll be forced to release him just to get him off the wage bill, otherwise they'll be paying him £160K just to sit on the bench? Unless they know for sure he will then sign for someone else they won’t just release him as they will have to pay the remainder of his wages anyway. If he says he will sign for X club if they agree to terminate his contract for free then maybe I hope he stays on poshs books. The owner makes out he’s some clever powerful businessman demanding fees for one of his players and is in full control when quite clearly he isn’t and seems a bit of a bellend tbh. Good on JCH. |
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Post by pirate on Jan 18, 2024 19:13:16 GMT
Unless they know for sure he will then sign for someone else they won’t just release him as they will have to pay the remainder of his wages anyway. If he says he will sign for X club if they agree to terminate his contract for free then maybe I hope he stays on poshs books. The owner makes out he’s some clever powerful businessman demanding fees for one of his players and is in full control when quite clearly he isn’t and seems a bit of a bellend tbh. Good on JCH. This income table from the past 10 year period of clubs that have played in League One compiled by the transfermarkt site suggests he is quite clever at recruitment and getting fees for his players  |
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Post by mrgasman on Jan 18, 2024 19:24:38 GMT
I hope he stays on poshs books. The owner makes out he’s some clever powerful businessman demanding fees for one of his players and is in full control when quite clearly he isn’t and seems a bit of a bellend tbh. Good on JCH. This income table from the past 10 year period of clubs that have played in League One compiled by the transfermarkt site suggests he is quite clever at recruitment and getting fees for his players View AttachmentWell it certainly isn’t working for him in this saga 😂. Bristol city top… ouch! That’s not a nice view. |
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Post by pirate on Jan 18, 2024 19:29:43 GMT
This income table from the past 10 year period of clubs that have played in League One compiled by the transfermarkt site suggests he is quite clever at recruitment and getting fees for his players View AttachmentWell it certainly isn’t working for him in this saga 😂. Bristol city top… ouch! That’s not a nice view. Sorry that was from the balance table, this is the transfer income one. Impressive any way you look.  |
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Post by Gaswood on Jan 18, 2024 19:33:46 GMT
I hope he stays on poshs books. The owner makes out he’s some clever powerful businessman demanding fees for one of his players and is in full control when quite clearly he isn’t and seems a bit of a bellend tbh. Good on JCH. This income table from the past 10 year period of clubs that have played in League One compiled by the transfermarkt site suggests he is quite clever at recruitment and getting fees for his players View AttachmentIt also shows that they’ve spent 28x what we have on players, to make 12x what we have. With the exception of Exeter, this chart shows that the big spenders tend to make more cash profit but not necessarily margin. Even Oxford as a very small spenders have triple our outlay on that chart. We’ve made 6x our outlay back which isn’t a bad bit of business surely? I think the real standout on that is Exeter, and bravo to them. |
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Post by gasify on Jan 18, 2024 19:48:20 GMT
This income table from the past 10 year period of clubs that have played in League One compiled by the transfermarkt site suggests he is quite clever at recruitment and getting fees for his players View AttachmentIt also shows that they’ve spent 28x what we have on players, to make 12x what we have. With the exception of Exeter, this chart shows that the big spenders tend to make more cash profit but not necessarily margin. Even Oxford as a very small spenders have triple our outlay on that chart. We’ve made 6x our outlay back which isn’t a bad bit of business surely? I think the real standout on that is Exeter, and bravo to them. I wonder if the owners would rather make 6x like us or 3x like Peterborough. Answers on a postcard to: £25m profit. |
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Post by Quarters on Jan 18, 2024 19:52:48 GMT
Am I misunderstanding the chart?
It says we have had 279 arrivals in 10 years, that's an average of 28 players every season.
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Post by pirate on Jan 18, 2024 20:06:45 GMT
Am I misunderstanding the chart? It says we have had 279 arrivals in 10 years, that's an average of 28 players every season. Distorted because transfermarkt records include returning loans in the arrival chart, so for example Belly would have been included in that number twice this season from his returning FGR and Harrogate loans and also Beefy included after 'arriving' back from Morecambe. |
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Post by Gaswood on Jan 18, 2024 20:43:51 GMT
It also shows that they’ve spent 28x what we have on players, to make 12x what we have. With the exception of Exeter, this chart shows that the big spenders tend to make more cash profit but not necessarily margin. Even Oxford as a very small spenders have triple our outlay on that chart. We’ve made 6x our outlay back which isn’t a bad bit of business surely? I think the real standout on that is Exeter, and bravo to them. I wonder if the owners would rather make 6x like us or 3x like Peterborough. Answers on a postcard to: £25m profit. Bit like backing a horse at 3-1 odds. If you have a sh!tl0ad of cash to bung on it you make triple of a large sum, if you don’t already have a large amount of capital then you make very little. The outlay for a £25m profit isn’t just chump change found lying around! Rich get richer, etc. Ivan Toney and a few others will skew that number but they’ve done well. As have City… who were up for FFP investigation and embargoes… interesting hey?! As regards to your question… I’d imagine the owners want to make the 6x profit, but on a larger scale, as that equals £50m profit |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 18, 2024 21:22:00 GMT
I wonder if the owners would rather make 6x like us or 3x like Peterborough. Answers on a postcard to: £25m profit. Bit like backing a horse at 3-1 odds. If you have a sh!tl0ad of cash to bung on it you make triple of a large sum, if you don’t already have a large amount of capital then you make very little. The outlay for a £25m profit isn’t just chump change found lying around! Rich get richer, etc. Ivan Toney and a few others will skew that number but they’ve done well. As have City… who were up for FFP investigation and embargoes… interesting hey?! As regards to your question… I’d imagine the owners want to make the 6x profit, but on a larger scale, as that equals £50m profit MT suggested he was under no pressure to sell players so perhaps they aren't interested in making a profit? |
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Post by Gaswood on Jan 18, 2024 21:28:17 GMT
Bit like backing a horse at 3-1 odds. If you have a sh!tl0ad of cash to bung on it you make triple of a large sum, if you don’t already have a large amount of capital then you make very little. The outlay for a £25m profit isn’t just chump change found lying around! Rich get richer, etc. Ivan Toney and a few others will skew that number but they’ve done well. As have City… who were up for FFP investigation and embargoes… interesting hey?! As regards to your question… I’d imagine the owners want to make the 6x profit, but on a larger scale, as that equals £50m profit MT suggested he was under no pressure to sell players so perhaps they aren't interested in making a profit? I was more so answering the somewhat loaded question that was posed, but I agree Topper |
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Post by pirate on Jan 18, 2024 22:08:05 GMT
I wonder if the owners would rather make 6x like us or 3x like Peterborough. Answers on a postcard to: £25m profit. Bit like backing a horse at 3-1 odds. If you have a sh!tl0ad of cash to bung on it you make triple of a large sum, if you don’t already have a large amount of capital then you make very little. The outlay for a £25m profit isn’t just chump change found lying around! Rich get richer, etc. Ivan Toney and a few others will skew that number but they’ve done well. As have City… who were up for FFP investigation and embargoes… interesting hey?! As regards to your question… I’d imagine the owners want to make the 6x profit, but on a larger scale, as that equals £50m profit How many players have we sold on for a million or more since the 07–08 season when Macanthony took over there? Peterborough have had Jack Taylor, Sammie Szmodics, Mo Eisa, Siriki Dembélé, Ivan Toney, Matt Godden, Jack Marriott, Conor Washington, Lee Tomlin, Britt Assombalonga, Dwight Gayle, Paul Taylor, Ryan Bennett, Craig Mackail-Smith and Aaron McLean. Plus a million recently for their Cat 2 academy produced (which MacAnthony instigated) player Benjamin Arthur. All those player sales and profit, but significantly updating their stadium along the way, producing a Cat 2 academy, and achieving 3 promotions to the Championship and a couple of other playoff finishes too. How many years ago since our last playoff finish at this level? |
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Post by Gaswood on Jan 18, 2024 22:33:37 GMT
Bit like backing a horse at 3-1 odds. If you have a sh!tl0ad of cash to bung on it you make triple of a large sum, if you don’t already have a large amount of capital then you make very little. The outlay for a £25m profit isn’t just chump change found lying around! Rich get richer, etc. Ivan Toney and a few others will skew that number but they’ve done well. As have City… who were up for FFP investigation and embargoes… interesting hey?! As regards to your question… I’d imagine the owners want to make the 6x profit, but on a larger scale, as that equals £50m profit How many players have we sold on for a million or more since the 07–08 season when Macanthony took over there? Peterborough have had Jack Taylor, Sammie Szmodics, Mo Eisa, Siriki Dembélé, Ivan Toney, Matt Godden, Jack Marriott, Conor Washington, Lee Tomlin, Britt Assombalonga, Dwight Gayle, Paul Taylor, Ryan Bennett, Craig Mackail-Smith and Aaron McLean. Plus a million recently for their Cat 2 academy produced (which MacAnthony instigated) player Benjamin Arthur. All those player sales and profit, but significantly updating their stadium along the way, producing a Cat 2 academy, and achieving 3 promotions to the Championship and a couple of other playoff finishes too. How many years ago since our last playoff finish at this level? How many have Bristol $hitty sold since Lansdown took over there? All those sales and profits, plus significantly updating their stadium along the way, and finishing regularly mid-table after promising runs near the top. How many years did Posh stay up? On a serious note (although all of that is totally valid) we would be far more comparable with a Rotherham when it clicks. Last year was the first in about ten that they stayed in one division! They spend a lot less than Posh and have more success. My point is that Posh are indeed successful at what they do, but there are risks with heavy spending. We aren’t spending. They are. City are. Both have recently been rumoured to be at big financial risk, and City threatened with possible sanctions, yet are high up on that list. The list is not a great example. Also, you yourself constantly say Brentford are the model to follow, yet your list says their losses on this same scale are a massive £30m… |
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Post by pirate on Jan 18, 2024 23:08:11 GMT
How many players have we sold on for a million or more since the 07–08 season when Macanthony took over there? Peterborough have had Jack Taylor, Sammie Szmodics, Mo Eisa, Siriki Dembélé, Ivan Toney, Matt Godden, Jack Marriott, Conor Washington, Lee Tomlin, Britt Assombalonga, Dwight Gayle, Paul Taylor, Ryan Bennett, Craig Mackail-Smith and Aaron McLean. Plus a million recently for their Cat 2 academy produced (which MacAnthony instigated) player Benjamin Arthur. All those player sales and profit, but significantly updating their stadium along the way, producing a Cat 2 academy, and achieving 3 promotions to the Championship and a couple of other playoff finishes too. How many years ago since our last playoff finish at this level? How many have Bristol $hitty sold since Lansdown took over there? All those sales and profits, plus significantly updating their stadium along the way, and finishing regularly mid-table after promising runs near the top. How many years did Posh stay up? On a serious note (although all of that is totally valid) we would be far more comparable with a Rotherham when it clicks. Last year was the first in about ten that they stayed in one division! They spend a lot less than Posh and have more success. My point is that Posh are indeed successful at what they do, but there are risks with heavy spending. We aren’t spending. They are. City are. Both have recently been rumoured to be at big financial risk, and City threatened with possible sanctions, yet are high up on that list. The list is not a great example. Also, you yourself constantly say Brentford are the model to follow, yet your list says their losses on this same scale are a massive £30m… Look at the table again from Matthew Benham's time as owner of Brentford up to the Prem promotion season and you will see they are top of the profit table and by some significant distance. Last season they received an estimated £152.4m in TV revenue alone, allowing the player trading business model to evolve in the Premier League.  |
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 18, 2024 23:27:10 GMT
The old adage, speculate to accumulate.
You can only do it with the all the right bums on all the right seats starting with HOR, Scouts and managers working in tandem and then using your training facilities to bring the players on.
It's why Exeter have been good at it as well. The club needs a DOF/HOR who can work for the best interests of the club.
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