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Post by chewbacca on Dec 27, 2023 17:14:44 GMT
Has anyone got a video of the vhallemge on collins? Thought I'd catch the highlight on crimestoppers but didn't realise it was discontinued... I watched it round my parents on ifollow (probably the first game I’ve watched in about 3 years). For me it wasn’t more than a yellow. I thought Rovers huffed and puffed but generally lacked in the final third. Well worth the win mind. Portsmouth weren’t up to much and if that’s standard of top team in the league it’s disappointing we’re not having a proper go at the Playoffs. Generally quite an odd watch tbh. |
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Post by kruger on Dec 27, 2023 17:24:53 GMT
I don't think this but does anyone else think we were dead on our feet come the end of the game yesterday, just had a look on the Portsmouth forum and they seem to think we were? Not for me. Starting Centre mid Ward bursting half length of the pitch in the 94th min, laying on the pass for our starting left wing back come left back Vale, who squares it to our starting right wing back come right sided forward Thomas, to apply the finishing touch. Chuck Collins & Finley into the build up, 5 starting players involved busting a gut to make that winner happen. If that’s dead on our feet knackered, love to see us super fit going all the way to the end😂😂😂 yep, this is my thoughts, that the reason I asked the question |
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Dec 27, 2023 17:36:38 GMT
Not for me. Starting Centre mid Ward bursting half length of the pitch in the 94th min, laying on the pass for our starting left wing back come left back Vale, who squares it to our starting right wing back come right sided forward Thomas, to apply the finishing touch. Chuck Collins & Finley into the build up, 5 starting players involved busting a gut to make that winner happen. If that’s dead on our feet knackered, love to see us super fit going all the way to the end😂😂😂 yep, this is my thoughts, that the reason I asked the question Just had a look at the Portsmouth forum. Its just one persons opinion. |
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Post by kruger on Dec 27, 2023 17:39:19 GMT
yep, this is my thoughts, that the reason I asked the question Just had a look at the Portsmouth forum. Its just one persons opinion. Yeah you're right, I should have said a poster rather than 'they' |
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Post by woolavingtonpirate on Dec 27, 2023 17:44:14 GMT
Just had a look at the Portsmouth forum. Its just one persons opinion. Yeah you're right, I should have said a poster rather than 'they' At that point of the game we were looking tired, mainly because we were being overrun. Changing our shape allowed our midfield to get forward more. As a result the game wasn't quite as stretched. |
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Post by outsidehitter30 on Dec 27, 2023 17:45:36 GMT
Has anyone got a video of the vhallemge on collins? Thought I'd catch the highlight on crimestoppers but didn't realise it was discontinued... Here you go. Straight Red for me. It's from behind so Collins did'nt know it was coming & could'nt get out the way. The the ball is long gone |
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Dec 27, 2023 18:17:08 GMT
Straight Red for me. It's from behind so Collins did'nt know it was coming & could'nt get out the way. The the ball is long gone Going by the current rules that's a red. Out of control even if he did get the ball |
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Post by gulfofaden on Dec 27, 2023 18:39:44 GMT
Think It went unnoticed in the scenes at the by just about everyone, but Colby Bishop made a point of going to Connor Taylor & acknowledging what a good job he did marking him. You could see from the body language & gestures it was positive, not negative. Gave him a pat on the back as well. Thought it was really decent thing to do to a young defender by a red hot striker in the mix for the League 1 golden boot. That’s impossible. Opposition players are sneering, evil scumbags and it’s only our brave boys who are capable of camaraderie and sporting spirit. I expect it was just a bit of a routine and Conor will find shortly it was merely a distraction while the rest of the team were robbing his locker and nicking his car. |
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Post by gulfofaden on Dec 27, 2023 18:42:23 GMT
Two comments on MT. Big Jon worked his socks off and has to do it all over again on Friday. No doubt the substitution had a lot to do with easing his workload. After the great tactical switch to bring on Hunt, there was a moment when Cox caught a simple ball and went to ground to eat up time. LT and MT were both shouting and waving their arms frantically for him to get the ball forward. Good to see him not wanting to settle for a point. Ps good job I re read my comment. Initially i mistyped and it said Big Job (always think of Billy Connolly and his stories of someone leaving a floating big jobbie!). Possibly because Cox was already booked for timewasting so they were concerned he’d get sent off? |
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Post by gulfofaden on Dec 27, 2023 18:46:56 GMT
Straight Red for me. It's from behind so Collins did'nt know it was coming & could'nt get out the way. The the ball is long gone I’ve changed my opinion on this. I didn’t think it was a def red but there’s no way he can get the ball and he’s taken his standing leg from behind. Red card. Top of the league bias sadly. If we’d done that we’d probably had 2 sent off and a penalty awarded against us. |
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Post by kampucheagas on Dec 27, 2023 18:55:44 GMT
Straight Red for me. It's from behind so Collins did'nt know it was coming & could'nt get out the way. The the ball is long gone I’ve changed my opinion on this. I didn’t think it was a def red but there’s no way he can get the ball and he’s taken his standing leg from behind. Red card. Top of the league bias sadly. If we’d done that we’d probably had 2 sent off and a penalty awarded against us. It’s an interesting topic Without VAR the ref has a split second to make a decision. I’ve reffed a few games over the years and it’s amazing how quick things happen and how they look different from different peoples perspective! I don’t buy this ‘ref bias’ stuff, not with favouring a ‘big’ team anyway. They might be persuaded more with a raucous home crowd baying for a decision more often than not, but I think they genuinely try to officiate within the training they’ve been given It’s certainly not an easy job, and most would be put off starting at grass roots because it’s a nightmare! I’m not sure the introduction of VAR at the highest level has improved the decisions- you still see ‘pundits’ argue over the rules! The ref will always be a w####r until he gives you a decision!! UTG |
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Post by gasify on Dec 27, 2023 19:08:32 GMT
I’ve changed my opinion on this. I didn’t think it was a def red but there’s no way he can get the ball and he’s taken his standing leg from behind. Red card. Top of the league bias sadly. If we’d done that we’d probably had 2 sent off and a penalty awarded against us. It’s an interesting topic Without VAR the ref has a split second to make a decision. I’ve reffed a few games over the years and it’s amazing how quick things happen and how they look different from different peoples perspective! I don’t buy this ‘ref bias’ stuff, not with favouring a ‘big’ team anyway. They might be persuaded more with a raucous home crowd baying for a decision more often than not, but I think they genuinely try to officiate within the training they’ve been given It’s certainly not an easy job, and most would be put off starting at grass roots because it’s a nightmare! I’m not sure the introduction of VAR at the highest level has improved the decisions- you still see ‘pundits’ argue over the rules! The ref will always be a w####r until he gives you a decision!! UTG The ref yesterday was poor in my opinion. What did you think of his performance? |
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Post by Quarters on Dec 27, 2023 19:15:59 GMT
Maybe he bottled the ref as he could not work out what happened in the melee afterwards so thought there should have been more than one red awarded but no idea who to give it to.
In real time thought the tackle on Wilson was out of control therefore should be red. Others disagreed.
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Post by kampucheagas on Dec 27, 2023 19:18:18 GMT
It’s an interesting topic Without VAR the ref has a split second to make a decision. I’ve reffed a few games over the years and it’s amazing how quick things happen and how they look different from different peoples perspective! I don’t buy this ‘ref bias’ stuff, not with favouring a ‘big’ team anyway. They might be persuaded more with a raucous home crowd baying for a decision more often than not, but I think they genuinely try to officiate within the training they’ve been given It’s certainly not an easy job, and most would be put off starting at grass roots because it’s a nightmare! I’m not sure the introduction of VAR at the highest level has improved the decisions- you still see ‘pundits’ argue over the rules! The ref will always be a w####r until he gives you a decision!! UTG The ref yesterday was poor in my opinion. What did you think of his performance? I didn’t see it, only the extended highlights, so it’s hard to judge! It’s interesting to look at the ref score on the ratings thread - even rovers fans had him from a 2 up to a 7! Pompey fans will see his performance completely differently! I was at the Poole Town v Dorchester classic, the ref in the game lost his marbles for a while bless him, had booked a player, booked him again for time wasting at a free kick, the Lino flagged and told him it had been 2 bookings, he quickly changed his mind and said he was booking the other player! I’m not sure what the answer is to get a better standard. Maybe you just have to accept its human judgement and interpretation and it will forever bless you one week and curse you the next. UTG |
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Post by gulfofaden on Dec 27, 2023 19:27:38 GMT
I’ve changed my opinion on this. I didn’t think it was a def red but there’s no way he can get the ball and he’s taken his standing leg from behind. Red card. Top of the league bias sadly. If we’d done that we’d probably had 2 sent off and a penalty awarded against us. It’s an interesting topic Without VAR the ref has a split second to make a decision. I’ve reffed a few games over the years and it’s amazing how quick things happen and how they look different from different peoples perspective! I don’t buy this ‘ref bias’ stuff, not with favouring a ‘big’ team anyway. They might be persuaded more with a raucous home crowd baying for a decision more often than not, but I think they genuinely try to officiate within the training they’ve been given It’s certainly not an easy job, and most would be put off starting at grass roots because it’s a nightmare! I’m not sure the introduction of VAR at the highest level has improved the decisions- you still see ‘pundits’ argue over the rules! The ref will always be a w####r until he gives you a decision!! UTG I wonder how much they’re paid. If the money was good enough, and they had a mechanism to demote the earnings of poorly performing refs then you’ll get the nearest approximation. However I fully expect within 5 years AI to be guiding refs, I don’t think it will be that difficult for AI to view a match and assess. Certainly offsides, fouls possibly. |
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Post by gasify on Dec 27, 2023 20:18:16 GMT
The ref yesterday was poor in my opinion. What did you think of his performance? I didn’t see it, only the extended highlights, so it’s hard to judge! It’s interesting to look at the ref score on the ratings thread - even rovers fans had him from a 2 up to a 7! Pompey fans will see his performance completely differently! I was at the Poole Town v Dorchester classic, the ref in the game lost his marbles for a while bless him, had booked a player, booked him again for time wasting at a free kick, the Lino flagged and told him it had been 2 bookings, he quickly changed his mind and said he was booking the other player! I’m not sure what the answer is to get a better standard. Maybe you just have to accept its human judgement and interpretation and it will forever bless you one week and curse you the next. UTG The Cox booking yesterday was weird. He picked up the ball and then on the way back decided to change it to the ball on the cone, maybe wasting half a second and got booked. However, when he fell to the floor on top of the ball unchallenged wasting 10 to 15 seconds that was fine. |
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Post by kampucheagas on Dec 27, 2023 20:32:00 GMT
I didn’t see it, only the extended highlights, so it’s hard to judge! It’s interesting to look at the ref score on the ratings thread - even rovers fans had him from a 2 up to a 7! Pompey fans will see his performance completely differently! I was at the Poole Town v Dorchester classic, the ref in the game lost his marbles for a while bless him, had booked a player, booked him again for time wasting at a free kick, the Lino flagged and told him it had been 2 bookings, he quickly changed his mind and said he was booking the other player! I’m not sure what the answer is to get a better standard. Maybe you just have to accept its human judgement and interpretation and it will forever bless you one week and curse you the next. UTG The Cox booking yesterday was weird. He picked up the ball and then on the way back decided to change it to the ball on the cone, maybe wasting half a second and got booked. However, when he fell to the floor on top of the ball unchallenged wasting 10 to 15 seconds that was fine. That’s the thing with refs- it’s open to interpretation if there are no ‘fixed’ rules regarding certain decisions. How long can a keeper take for his goal kick? How strict should you be on the taking of throw ins? Should you always stop play if a player stays down? There are a load of decisions that vary from ref to ref. Not sure AI could interpret what is essentially a split second human decision? Personally I think the old school ‘bloke makes a decision’ during the action to be part of the theatre. Football is a hard watch for me with protracted waiting while the powers that be struggle with green and red lines. Did it cross the line is enough technology for me, easily done at all levels I’m sure with today’s devices. Leave it a human game with human errors, all part of it! UTG |
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Post by gasify on Dec 27, 2023 20:42:46 GMT
The Cox booking yesterday was weird. He picked up the ball and then on the way back decided to change it to the ball on the cone, maybe wasting half a second and got booked. However, when he fell to the floor on top of the ball unchallenged wasting 10 to 15 seconds that was fine. . How long can a keeper take for his goal kick? How strict should you be on the taking of throw ins? Should you always stop play if a player stays down? There are a load of decisions that vary from ref to ref. Not sure AI could interpret what is essentially a split second human decision? Personally I think the old school ‘bloke makes a decision’ during the action to be part of the theatre. Football is a hard watch for me with protracted waiting while the powers that be struggle with green and red lines. Did it cross the line is enough technology for me, easily done at all levels I’m sure with today’s devices. Leave it a human game with human errors, all part of it! UTG I don't think it has to be. I am probably the only person that likes the hand ball rule in the penalty box. At least it is more consistent. In the old days, a keeper would have 6 steps or 6 seconds. We should bring that back with the 4th ref keeping an eye on the timings. The only way refs are going to be respected is if we make the rules less about interpretation and more factual. We seem to bring in good rules and then bottle it. We blame the referees when really we should be blaming the players. France 98 was a good example. A tackle from behind is a red card. First three games and three red cards. So they end up easing that rule. I say continue sending players off and they will soon learn that they cannot do it. In the same way that goal keepers have learned that if they go down with a spurious injury, their team mates can get a drink and a team talk. If we are going to accept that, we might as well introduce time outs. |
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Post by dudelebowski on Dec 28, 2023 10:42:10 GMT
Alternative angles of the action😎last one before all eyes on the Addicks!
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Post by Gashead73 on Dec 28, 2023 10:45:59 GMT
Been watching ALL the different variation of Highlights' and I must say the South Stand does look mighty impressive imo
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