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Post by popuppirate on Aug 7, 2024 19:33:10 GMT
I'm not sure where I read it, but my understanding was that JSO protesters who got long sentences were repeat offenders and had previous warnings against them. I wish I could remember where I read it so I could cite the sourse. I am fairly sure no one got a long sentence for just turning up to a one off event and were then just plucked out of the crowd with no warning by the police. Ok that may well be true, and probably is. But I still think there's a two tier judgement of what is an acceptable protest and what isn't, based not on the protest, but what they stand for. Agreed. Some offenders today had 14 previous offences, but none got 5 years
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Post by supergas on Aug 8, 2024 6:14:22 GMT
Which specific Reform demands are racist? Links to the actual manifesto would be ideal but anything that's actually a policy proposal will do. Not all reform voters are racist, but a lot of racist people vote reform. Probably an accurate comment but also irrelevant to my question. Also we can probably conclude that a lot of racists voted for both Johnson and Corbyn in 2019, and for both May and Corbyn in 2017 - since the 4m people who voted Reform in 2024 mostly voted for one of those options at previous elections. So I'm still not sure what your point is...
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Post by seanclevedongas on Aug 8, 2024 8:09:07 GMT
I'm not buying into any nonsense,I am capable of differentiating between what is plainly unlawful and that there are many people who feel not listened to or do you think the whole 4m who voted Reform are all Right wing racists,you may not like their politics or views but it doesn't mean they can't peacefully protest if they want to. They had their chance at the last election to be listened to…. They got only 5 Mp’s. Or do you and the others who’ve liked your post think we as a society should kowtow to their racist demands ? Think I’ll leave this section of the forum for a while as reading some of the opinions on here is doing my head in 😂🙄 What a shocking post! Name one demand that is racist?
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Post by stuart1974 on Aug 8, 2024 8:53:03 GMT
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Post by joefrankie on Aug 8, 2024 18:27:30 GMT
I know he’s got a Tory leadership election to win, so has to make sure that everyone knows he’s a racist, but this is the height of irresponsibility. The Tories have spent the last decade promoting racism and sowing the seeds of division. This last week has seen it come to fruition. You’d expect most of them to keep their heads down, but not Jenrick. He thinks it a good idea to stoke it up even more. This man wants to be Prime Minister. Heaven help us.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Aug 8, 2024 20:25:26 GMT
I know he’s got a Tory leadership election to win, so has to make sure that everyone knows he’s a racist, but this is the height of irresponsibility. The Tories have spent the last decade promoting racism and sowing the seeds of division. This last week has seen it come to fruition. You’d expect most of them to keep their heads down, but not Jenrick. He thinks it a good idea to stoke it up even more. This man wants to be Prime Minister. Heaven help us. Why is that when anyone wants to talk about the rise of Islamic Extremism in this country, which is a very real problem they are called a racist? If it is not sorted in this generation it will be too late. Are you happy for your children and grandchildren to be brought up in an Islamic State with Sharia law? Please don't waste your time trying to tell me it won't happen because it is happening and has been for 30 years. And now this Labour government lead by treasonous "two tier Keir" is enabling it even further.
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Post by joefrankie on Aug 8, 2024 20:54:47 GMT
I know he’s got a Tory leadership election to win, so has to make sure that everyone knows he’s a racist, but this is the height of irresponsibility. The Tories have spent the last decade promoting racism and sowing the seeds of division. This last week has seen it come to fruition. You’d expect most of them to keep their heads down, but not Jenrick. He thinks it a good idea to stoke it up even more. This man wants to be Prime Minister. Heaven help us. Why is that when anyone wants to talk about the rise of Islamic Extremism in this country, which is a very real problem they are called a racist? If it is not sorted in this generation it will be too late. Are you happy for your children and grandchildren to be brought up in an Islamic State with Sharia law? Please don't waste your time trying to tell me it won't happen because it is happening and has been for 30 years. And now this Labour government lead by treasonous "two tier Keir" is enabling it even further. If you really believe any of that, you need help.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Aug 8, 2024 21:01:00 GMT
Why is that when anyone wants to talk about the rise of Islamic Extremism in this country, which is a very real problem they are called a racist? If it is not sorted in this generation it will be too late. Are you happy for your children and grandchildren to be brought up in an Islamic State with Sharia law? Please don't waste your time trying to tell me it won't happen because it is happening and has been for 30 years. And now this Labour government lead by treasonous "two tier Keir" is enabling it even further. If you really believe any of that, you need help. Do you not take any notice of what is going on? Or do you just prefer to bury your head in the sand?
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Post by yattongas on Aug 8, 2024 21:03:37 GMT
Love to the family 🙄😂
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Post by seanclevedongas on Aug 8, 2024 21:11:46 GMT
Why is that when anyone wants to talk about the rise of Islamic Extremism in this country, which is a very real problem they are called a racist? If it is not sorted in this generation it will be too late. Are you happy for your children and grandchildren to be brought up in an Islamic State with Sharia law? Please don't waste your time trying to tell me it won't happen because it is happening and has been for 30 years. And now this Labour government lead by treasonous "two tier Keir" is enabling it even further. Probably because you've ignored all different kinds of extremism to target one group.
At a time when examples of far right extremism are on the news almost daily...
What news is that? If you are talking about the mainstream channels you will not learn anything real there. For example look at their lack of reporting of what went on in Birmingham the other night and in Croydon last night? This label of "far right" for everyone that wants to stop illegal fighting age men crossing in boats is disgusting? Those that fight, burn and destroy you can call what you want (I have a few names) but even most of those didn't really know why they were doing what they were doing. (too stupid) Very few would actually be "far right".
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Post by joefrankie on Aug 8, 2024 22:04:18 GMT
If you really believe any of that, you need help. Do you not take any notice of what is going on? Or do you just prefer to bury your head in the sand? I live in BS7, a few hundred yards from the Mem, so well within the boundaries one of the largest cities in the country, and I’m unaware of any Muslim fundamentalism, but if you tell me it’s different in downtown Clevedon, then I may think about taking your word for it. No, not really. This isn’t relevant, just me being curious; do you think Donald Trump is sane?
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Post by aghast on Aug 8, 2024 22:04:52 GMT
I know he’s got a Tory leadership election to win, so has to make sure that everyone knows he’s a racist, but this is the height of irresponsibility. The Tories have spent the last decade promoting racism and sowing the seeds of division.  This last week has seen it come to fruition.  You’d expect most of them to keep their heads down, but not Jenrick. He thinks it a good idea to stoke it up even more. This man wants to be Prime Minister. Heaven help us. Why is that when anyone wants to talk about the rise of Islamic Extremism in this country, which is a very real problem they are called a racist? If it is not sorted in this generation it will be too late. Are you happy for your children and grandchildren to be brought up in an Islamic State with Sharia law? Please don't waste your time trying to tell me it won't happen because it is happening and has been for 30 years. And now this Labour government lead by treasonous "two tier Keir" is enabling it even further.  Can you provide some evidence that in the UK an Islamic state with Sharia law 'is happening and has been for 30 years'? I think I must have missed it.
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Post by yattongas on Aug 8, 2024 22:09:13 GMT
Why is that when anyone wants to talk about the rise of Islamic Extremism in this country, which is a very real problem they are called a racist? If it is not sorted in this generation it will be too late. Are you happy for your children and grandchildren to be brought up in an Islamic State with Sharia law? Please don't waste your time trying to tell me it won't happen because it is happening and has been for 30 years. And now this Labour government lead by treasonous "two tier Keir" is enabling it even further. Can you provide some evidence that in the UK an Islamic state with Sharia law 'is happening and has been for 30 years'? I think I must have missed it. Sharia law….Is that Dennis Law’s daughter ?
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Post by seanclevedongas on Aug 8, 2024 22:17:21 GMT
Do you not take any notice of what is going on? Or do you just prefer to bury your head in the sand? I live in BS7, a few hundred yards from the Mem, so well within the boundaries one of the largest cities in the country, and I’m unaware of any Muslim fundamentalism, but if you tell me it’s different in downtown Clevedon, then I may think about taking your word for it. No, not really. This isn’t relevant, just me being curious; do you think Donald Trump is sane? I don't live in Clevedon No I don't, he is dangerous and so is Two Tier
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Post by seanclevedongas on Aug 8, 2024 22:35:44 GMT
Why is that when anyone wants to talk about the rise of Islamic Extremism in this country, which is a very real problem they are called a racist? If it is not sorted in this generation it will be too late. Are you happy for your children and grandchildren to be brought up in an Islamic State with Sharia law? Please don't waste your time trying to tell me it won't happen because it is happening and has been for 30 years. And now this Labour government lead by treasonous "two tier Keir" is enabling it even further. Can you provide some evidence that in the UK an Islamic state with Sharia law 'is happening and has been for 30 years'? I think I must have missed it. You have to be careful sharing that kind of material as the DPP has just reminded everyone. If I was to share it apparently it is the same as publishing it. So do your own research there is masses of material out there and it's not that hard to find. A stat I saw yesterday was that at current birth rates of both Muslim and non Muslims in this country and current rates of immigration will mean that by the end of the century the indigenous population of the UK will be vastly outnumbered. History is full of countries that were non Islamic states but are now, e.g. look at film and pictures of Iran in the 1970's and compare to today.
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Post by yattongas on Aug 8, 2024 22:42:52 GMT
It’s quite sad isn’t it ?
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Post by seanclevedongas on Aug 8, 2024 23:23:00 GMT
Hopefully this is safe to share as it comes from the House of Lords (Lord Green of Deddington)
He is saying we will be outnumbered by immigrants by the mid 2060's (not necessary Muslims)
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Post by seanclevedongas on Aug 8, 2024 23:37:38 GMT
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Post by seanclevedongas on Aug 9, 2024 0:28:25 GMT
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Post by seanclevedongas on Aug 9, 2024 0:39:29 GMT
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