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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 22, 2024 16:09:00 GMT
I can’t help but feel this is actually a ploy/ask for some Russian interference in the campaign to boost his chances. You have to wonder He won't have to ask.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 22, 2024 17:04:38 GMT
The fightback against Reform continues: "Eight Reform UK candidates have made a wide range of offensive remarks online about women in the past, the BBC can reveal. The remarks include disparaging comments about the murdered MP Jo Cox, former Prime Minister Theresa May, and a black reality TV contestant. The comments were posted between 2011 and 2023. Reform UK and the candidates involved have all been approached for comment. Earlier this week, the party said it planned to sue a company it hired to vet potential MPs." www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crggy73m2ero
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 22, 2024 17:13:00 GMT
I can’t help but feel this is actually a ploy/ask for some Russian interference in the campaign to boost his chances. You have to wonder It hardly seems like a vote winner, it'll be interesting to see what tomorrow's poll results show.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 22, 2024 17:46:24 GMT
"A clear majority of voters want the next government to take the UK back into the European Union, according to a new poll. The Techne survey for Independent Media showed 43% in favour of rejoining the bloc, compared with 40% who want to stay out. But once the 18% who say they don’t know are taken out, 52% back EU membership with 48% opposing it - a complete reversal of the 2016 Brexit referendum result. The findings are significant because, unlike other polls, they suggest most voters want to go back into the EU as soon as possible. They also come despite the fact that Brexit has hardly featured as an issue in the general election campaign. Support for rejoining is strongest among those who voted Labour at the last election, with 79% backing it, compared to 62% of Lib Dems and 25% of Tories. Dr Mike Galsworthy, chair of the pro-EU European Movement, told HuffPost UK: “These data are fascinating. Although we regularly see polls showing 60% or more of the UK public would vote rejoin in a referendum rather than voting to stay out, commentators always caveat this with there being no public appetite for such a move to happen now." www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/exclusive-majority-of-voters-want-next-government-to-take-uk-back-into-european-union_uk_6675855fe4b0c18173a87402/?utm_source=upday&ncid=upday
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Post by yattongas on Jun 22, 2024 17:50:00 GMT
It hardly seems like a vote winner, it'll be interesting to see what tomorrow's poll results show. It’ll make zero difference. The idiots / brain dead people that fall for this sh** won’t even be aware of what’s been said or care a jot. 20% of pretty much every population is far right / authoritarian/ fascist.
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Post by trevorgas on Jun 22, 2024 18:25:58 GMT
It's him sucking up or down to Trump who has similar beliefs,Europe needs to gear up pdq to replace US military support if Trump wins the next election. No one country in Europe could stand alone against Russia, just on weight of numbers. Imagine if we were united...just saying We should be united under NATO with a laser like focus on what we need to do to stand up to a bully.
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Post by oldie on Jun 22, 2024 18:33:36 GMT
No one country in Europe could stand alone against Russia, just on weight of numbers. Imagine if we were united...just saying We should be united under NATO with a laser like focus on what we need to do to stand up to a bully. My first choice obviously but with the chances of Trump being re-elected high, can we depend on American participation? Which was you said to start with
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Post by oldie on Jun 22, 2024 18:34:24 GMT
It hardly seems like a vote winner, it'll be interesting to see what tomorrow's poll results show. It’ll make zero difference. The idiots / brain dead people that fall for this sh** won’t even be aware of what’s been said or care a jot. 20% of pretty much every population is far right / authoritarian/ fascist. Sadly This appears to be true
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 22, 2024 18:55:10 GMT
It hardly seems like a vote winner, it'll be interesting to see what tomorrow's poll results show. It’ll make zero difference. The idiots / brain dead people that fall for this sh** won’t even be aware of what’s been said or care a jot. 20% of pretty much every population is far right / authoritarian/ fascist. There’s been a massive uptick in online comments defending Farage, the St Petersberg Troll Farms working overtime. 🤫
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 22, 2024 18:56:13 GMT
No one country in Europe could stand alone against Russia, just on weight of numbers. Imagine if we were united...just saying We should be united under NATO with a laser like focus on what we need to do to stand up to a bully. Nato first. Familiar with JEF, Clive?
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Post by yattongas on Jun 22, 2024 19:05:28 GMT
It’ll make zero difference. The idiots / brain dead people that fall for this sh** won’t even be aware of what’s been said or care a jot. 20% of pretty much every population is far right / authoritarian/ fascist. There’s been a massive uptick in online comments defending Farage, the St Petersberg Troll Farms working overtime. 🤫 Yes , my timeline on twitter is now overrun with Reform twats 🙄🇬🇧
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Post by trevorgas on Jun 22, 2024 19:49:10 GMT
We should be united under NATO with a laser like focus on what we need to do to stand up to a bully. My first choice obviously but with the chances of Trump being re-elected high, can we depend on American participation? Which was you said to start with Agree,.we cannot hence Europe under NATO will have to fill the gap, we've relied on the US for 80 yrs plus and it's time we stood on our own two feet.
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Post by trevorgas on Jun 22, 2024 19:52:52 GMT
We should be united under NATO with a laser like focus on what we need to do to stand up to a bully. Nato first. Familiar with JEF, Clive? Yep the Joint Expeditionary Force ,never clear if it had real hardware etc,I know it's led by the UK but is it a viable force to be reckoned with?
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 22, 2024 20:23:01 GMT
Nato first. Familiar with JEF, Clive? Yep the Joint Expeditionary Force ,never clear if it had real hardware etc,I know it's led by the UK but is it a viable force to be reckoned with? More a command vehicle, strength depends on what assets the partner nations are willing and able to provide. Not too dissimilar to Nato in that respect. As an alternative to Nato, and short of an EU equivalent, it's a good option if Trump becomes 'difficult'.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 22, 2024 20:27:12 GMT
Caught a bit of ElectionCast, Laura K said that Labour got wind of the increase in betting and immediately bought a lot of advertising space, got ahead of the game.
Double whammy for Rishi. 🫢
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Post by supergas on Jun 23, 2024 5:01:29 GMT
*cracks knuckles* What were the wider comments he made? The Ukraine war is entirely Putin's fault but the West gave Putin the internal political reason to launch it. Pretty much a conclusion that every commentator who is an expert on Russian politics would agree with - NATO and the EU expanding seems fair enough to those of us who live in the West, but it's a political threat to domestic Russian politicians... Should NATO and the EU be allowed to expand? Of course. Will Russia react? Of course. Any decent politician would only be surprised it took Russia so long... Sure, it’s the rapists fault he raped her, but it’s the woman who provoked him by wearing a short skirt. Maybe we can use a better analogy to explain what happened on both sides rather than this distasteful one - and let me clarify - I am in no way defending any Russian aggression (in fact I think the West should be taking more action to retaliate) *but* what I can see is both sides to this story and am trying to explain why certain people saw this coming and were proved correct... Russia needs a reason to be relevant in the modern world. Since the fall of the Soviet Union all they have is one or two natural resources, a lot of barren (or at least hard o use) land and a long proud history they want to defend... ...so when NATO and the EU expand East and then East again, they are doing what they think is the best thing for both existing and new members - but they are also clearly aware it will provoke Russia by changing the nature of the countries closer and closer to the Russian border. Was that the only reason? Of course not, there are lots of internal Russian reasons as well, but it clearly was a factor and that was what Farage has said before and was clarifying again....
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Post by oldie on Jun 23, 2024 6:17:25 GMT
Sure, it’s the rapists fault he raped her, but it’s the woman who provoked him by wearing a short skirt. Maybe we can use a better analogy to explain what happened on both sides rather than this distasteful one - and let me clarify - I am in no way defending any Russian aggression (in fact I think the West should be taking more action to retaliate) *but* what I can see is both sides to this story and am trying to explain why certain people saw this coming and were proved correct... Russia needs a reason to be relevant in the modern world. Since the fall of the Soviet Union all they have is one or two natural resources, a lot of barren (or at least hard o use) land and a long proud history they want to defend... ...so when NATO and the EU expand East and then East again, they are doing what they think is the best thing for both existing and new members - but they are also clearly aware it will provoke Russia by changing the nature of the countries closer and closer to the Russian border. Was that the only reason? Of course not, there are lots of internal Russian reasons as well, but it clearly was a factor and that was what Farage has said before and was clarifying again.... Tosh The Soviet Union collapsed because it was, as a enforced government, inept, corrupt and fascist in nature. Those countries ensnared in that awful embrace, once free, chose to join the EU and aspired to join NATO. Nobody forced them, their reasons were to protect themselves from the awfulness of went before. There is no proud history to Russia, it's a failed State that exists only by oppression. They live off of resisting Napoleon and Hitler in their heads. It's a fascist State, stop defending it.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 23, 2024 6:35:04 GMT
Sure, it’s the rapists fault he raped her, but it’s the woman who provoked him by wearing a short skirt. Maybe we can use a better analogy to explain what happened on both sides rather than this distasteful one - and let me clarify - I am in no way defending any Russian aggression (in fact I think the West should be taking more action to retaliate) *but* what I can see is both sides to this story and am trying to explain why certain people saw this coming and were proved correct... Russia needs a reason to be relevant in the modern world. Since the fall of the Soviet Union all they have is one or two natural resources, a lot of barren (or at least hard o use) land and a long proud history they want to defend... ...so when NATO and the EU expand East and then East again, they are doing what they think is the best thing for both existing and new members - but they are also clearly aware it will provoke Russia by changing the nature of the countries closer and closer to the Russian border. Was that the only reason? Of course not, there are lots of internal Russian reasons as well, but it clearly was a factor and that was what Farage has said before and was clarifying again.... Russia was part of NATO's Partnership for Peace initiative, most former Warsaw Pact countries joined between 1997 and 2004. I know you want to defend Farage but sometimes we have to accept someone is using rhetoric straight from the Kremlin playback. How else could things have been different? Should new accession members not be allowed into either without Russian agreement? The short answer is no.
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Post by yattongas on Jun 23, 2024 7:02:34 GMT
Sure, it’s the rapists fault he raped her, but it’s the woman who provoked him by wearing a short skirt. Maybe we can use a better analogy to explain what happened on both sides rather than this distasteful one - and let me clarify - I am in no way defending any Russian aggression (in fact I think the West should be taking more action to retaliate) *but* what I can see is both sides to this story and am trying to explain why certain people saw this coming and were proved correct... Russia needs a reason to be relevant in the modern world. Since the fall of the Soviet Union all they have is one or two natural resources, a lot of barren (or at least hard o use) land and a long proud history they want to defend... ...so when NATO and the EU expand East and then East again, they are doing what they think is the best thing for both existing and new members - but they are also clearly aware it will provoke Russia by changing the nature of the countries closer and closer to the Russian border. Was that the only reason? Of course not, there are lots of internal Russian reasons as well, but it clearly was a factor and that was what Farage has said before and was clarifying again.... Farage a past regular on Russia Today has been a Putin apologist for a decade all initially driven by his belief that the EU is a more dangerous empire than the Russian empire. In March 2014 during TV debate with Nick Clegg he claimed “We should hang our heads in shame. The British government has actually geed up the EU to pursue effectively an imperialist, expansionist – and even Mr Barroso, the commission president, once said we are building an empire. "We have given a false series of hopes to a group of people in the western Ukraine. So geed up were they that they actually toppled their own elected leader. That provoked Mr Putin. I think the EU frankly does have blood on its hands in the Ukraine. “The approach of David Cameron, William Hague, Nick Clegg and other EU leaders has been disastrous. "If you poke the Russian bear with a stick he will respond. And if you have neither the means nor the political will to face him down that is very obviously not a good idea." Asked separately but in same month which current world leader he most admired, Farage replied: "As an operator, but not as a human being, I would say Putin. "The way he played the whole Syria thing. Brilliant.”
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Post by yattongas on Jun 23, 2024 7:11:32 GMT
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