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Post by percy on Jan 19, 2024 11:05:01 GMT
Looking at AC's league one stats on Fotmob, he is performing much better than a lot on here give him credit for. In the green on most stats. OVerall 7.1 score. Comparison to Luke is a good one, we love a player that tries hard, and Aaron doesnt fit this mould. He is performing and if he is played in his best position, with a bit of luck, the goals will start again. But harder with all the "fans" constantly on his back. He is frustrating, but has quality. The get rids, will ensure his confidence keeps getting knocked though and eventually get what they want. Well done. Not sure who’s scoring that or where the data comes from, but from the eyes of those witnessing our fixtures it’s more like 5.2. Like every one else I’ve seen most games the last 12 months and I can’t remember a single one where I’ve came away thinking “Collins was really decent today”. Quite the opposite in fact. We all want the 2022 Azza back, goes without saying but it’s been an entire year of hopeless performance after hopeless performance. How much longer can it go on. Well it isn’t. And this just shows me there is always confirmation bias with certain players. In the positive or negative. And as for tomorrow the same will happen and the crowd will jump on the first thing they see wrong. Ho hum. Football eh. |
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Post by dudelebowski on Jan 19, 2024 11:12:22 GMT
Not sure who’s scoring that or where the data comes from, but from the eyes of those witnessing our fixtures it’s more like 5.2. Like every one else I’ve seen most games the last 12 months and I can’t remember a single one where I’ve came away thinking “Collins was really decent today”. Quite the opposite in fact. We all want the 2022 Azza back, goes without saying but it’s been an entire year of hopeless performance after hopeless performance. How much longer can it go on. Well it isn’t. And this just shows me there is always confirmation bias with certain players. In the positive or negative. And as for tomorrow the same will happen and the crowd will jump on the first thing they see wrong. Ho hum. Football eh. Has been a favourite player of mine same as most, can only call it as you see it and how it is. This isn’t 5 or 10 games in a bad run of form. Can only sit on sentiment for so long, Taylor will have to act eventually if things don’t improve for AC. |
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Post by Beer Baron on Jan 19, 2024 12:35:22 GMT
Had a quick trawl through the player ratings board on this forum and Collins is well off an average of 7.2; hope he can find his shooting boots soon. UTG
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Post by stapletongas on Jan 19, 2024 12:35:56 GMT
I'm a fan of Collins but lately he's looked like a show pony out there, he needs to raise his game put more effort in, stay on his feet and stop losing the ball. Let's hope "form is temporary, class is permanent2 rings true.
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Post by It's a song on Jan 19, 2024 12:47:52 GMT
Difference though is Collins is under the fans spotlight. So when Vale falls over in our penalty box and we conced, there is more sympathy for Vale. When Thomas misses as he has scuffed his shot (again), there is more sympathy for him. I love Aaron Collins and the way he used to play with a smile on his face. That smile seems to have disappeared and maybe it is time for him to look at his options. If he stays here, our fans will destroy what little confidence he currently has. Maybe he already has. Could be an explanation why his form has dipped, maybe he just isn’t as good at this level We know he has it somewhere. He was League One Player of the Season last season |
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Post by playtowin on Jan 19, 2024 13:21:02 GMT
AC needs to be given a free role . To wander where he likes to find spaces and weaknesses.
So either uptop on his own with 3 attacking players behind him. Or. As part of a 2 behind a striker where both players float.
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Post by northridinggas on Jan 19, 2024 13:30:04 GMT
Sports psychologist has always seemed one of those snake oil job titles but if there is anything in it do we need one? We have three talented players, Collins, Thomas and Brown who just seem to lose confidence in front of goal.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jan 19, 2024 13:30:19 GMT
Some talk on a L1 forum of Charlton possibly putting in a bid for Collins. Not sure if there is any truth in it
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Post by returnofthedust on Jan 19, 2024 14:03:32 GMT
Could be on his way over the bridge potentially. A drop down to a high profile club may help him.
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Post by neilv93 on Jan 19, 2024 14:54:41 GMT
I maintain and stand by the notion of 'form is temporary, class is permanent'. So was that great 12 month run he had form or was that his class and now this is his form ? That was my point. He’s been at the club 2.5 years and he’s been class for 1 year out of that. So which is it do you reckon ? A valid retort but I think you're being harsh with '12 months' from 2.5 years. 16g/12a over the whole of last season that earned him player of the year for the entire division. 15g in our L2 promotion campaign the year before. 8 assists (he also won a penalty so kinda sorta maybe almost potentially has 9 really) in the league this year which is joint-top in the entire division again. No one is disputing he's not at his sparkling best this season and he's still got the best creative output in the entire division. The man shits out assists after a bhuna curry ffs. My two points are basically "he's a great player in a bout of bad form" and that he's getting a bad rap from Gasheads. This is what we do at this club as a fanbase - we pick our favourite, build them up to the highest of pedestals and then fling excrement at them if they struggle maintaining the lofty standards we've set. We've seen it before with others. As other posters have said, Collins has entire thread about his poor form. Where's the outcry for Jevani Brown's complete nothingness absences when he takes the field? Or what about the should-be bemusement at experienced L1 goal machine John Marquis' FOUR goals this year. Scott Sinclair falling so far off the pedestal that he'll be getting therapy in Nuffield. We have high expectations for Collins because we know his quality but we're equally holding him to a much higher standard than we hold others and it's BS IMO. Besides Chris Martin, no one else comes close to his outputs. Some of our players, and those at other clubs, would do well to have his record in poor form. I really strongly believe it would be a mistake to let him go and I hope he gets played in his proper out-and-out position. |
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Post by socrates on Jan 19, 2024 16:32:53 GMT
So was that great 12 month run he had form or was that his class and now this is his form ? That was my point. He’s been at the club 2.5 years and he’s been class for 1 year out of that. So which is it do you reckon ? A valid retort but I think you're being harsh with '12 months' from 2.5 years. 16g/12a over the whole of last season that earned him player of the year for the entire division. 15g in our L2 promotion campaign the year before. 8 assists (he also won a penalty so kinda sorta maybe almost potentially has 9 really) in the league this year which is joint-top in the entire division again. No one is disputing he's not at his sparkling best this season and he's still got the best creative output in the entire division. The man shits out assists after a bhuna curry ffs. My two points are basically "he's a great player in a bout of bad form" and that he's getting a bad rap from Gasheads. This is what we do at this club as a fanbase - we pick our favourite, build them up to the highest of pedestals and then fling excrement at them if they struggle maintaining the lofty standards we've set. We've seen it before with others. As other posters have said, Collins has entire thread about his poor form. Where's the outcry for Jevani Brown's complete nothingness absences when he takes the field? Or what about the should-be bemusement at experienced L1 goal machine John Marquis' FOUR goals this year. Scott Sinclair falling so far off the pedestal that he'll be getting therapy in Nuffield. We have high expectations for Collins because we know his quality but we're equally holding him to a much higher standard than we hold others and it's BS IMO. Besides Chris Martin, no one else comes close to his outputs. Some of our players, and those at other clubs, would do well to have his record in poor form. I really strongly believe it would be a mistake to let him go and I hope he gets played in his proper out-and-out position. I agree with what you say but the promotion season he only clicked in the second half of it and the following season ( last season ) he was unplayable in the first half of it but fell away after so the goals you talk about were mostly in that 12 month period. What a 12 months that was for him. If you look at my posts about him I’m not Collins out I think he’s either an average league 1 forward who hit a purple patch once or a top league 1 / championship player who took half a season to get going for us and has now been out of form form the last 13 months. I’m starting to lean towards the former as like I said he’s only had 1 year where he’s looked a class above and 1.5 where he’s looked like a typical league 1 forward. Hopefully he’ll hit form again and go on another amazing year of class but we should stick with him if he doesn’t cos he’s still behind most of our decent dangerous play regardless of whether he’s bloody frustrating and not hitting the heights he has before or not. |
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Post by frosty2007 on Jan 19, 2024 16:35:49 GMT
I read the first couple of posts on this thread and think as above, the expectations are too high!
It's lucky that we the fans don't select the team because we clearly don't understand the game very well. There is more to the game than just goals. He's playing left wing, is amongst the top assists in the league and when we've tried to play Brown instead, it's incredibly evident that we become too compact (especially if Martin is playing upfront). Collins and Marquis are very good at stretching the defence and giving the midfield room to operate in (look at how effective Evans is in both situations too). Take a close look at what happens when Brown plays and then when Collins plays... Martins goals are great but he needs the game stretched for him to make runs off the ball as he's not the most mobile.
He'll find his scoring boots, we're a league one team who are trying to play attractive football to watch and he's a big part of it. Enjoy him whilst he's here, you'll miss him when he's gone!
UTG
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Post by wider on Jan 19, 2024 20:06:29 GMT
I hope we don’t sell him at present as the price won’t be that good anyway.
He still creates space and opportunities for others on a regular basis.
Perhaps we should go back to letting him lead the attack? Or at least play him more centrally.
His loss of form did coincide with getting hacked from behind and being out for the next few games. I can’t remember who it was against but was on the edge of the box at the Thatcher’s End, he was about to pull the trigger and was chopped. Nothing given, video showed what looked like a clear penalty.
He struggled for pace for a while and still hasn’t quite got it all back imo. Certainly lost confidence as this was when the refereeing seemed to have turned against him.
I don’t think he dives as much as people say - watch how he runs on tip toe. As a natural style it adds speed but means he’s easily nudged off balance or tripped. He does dive though - not as convincingly as Norwich players, obviously!
UTG!
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Post by returnofthedust on Jan 19, 2024 20:10:02 GMT
I hope we don’t sell him at present as the price won’t be that good anyway. He still creates space and opportunities for others on a regular basis. Perhaps we should go back to letting him lead the attack? Or at least play him more centrally. His loss of form did coincide with getting hacked from behind and being out for the next few games. I can’t remember who it was against but was on the edge of the box at the Thatcher’s End, he was about to pull the trigger and was chopped. Nothing given, video showed what looked like a clear penalty. He struggled for pace for a while and still hasn’t quite got it all back imo. Certainly lost confidence as this was when the refereeing seemed to have turned against him. I don’t think he dives as much as people say - watch how he runs on tip toe. As a natural style it adds speed but means he’s easily nudged off balance or tripped. He does dive though - not as convincingly as Norwich players, obviously! UTG! 18 months left on his deal? I think that we won’t get a bigger fee than we would this window if he was too move on |
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Post by pucklegas on Jan 19, 2024 20:23:07 GMT
Very talented player, low on confidence now and goes to ground too easily, will be mustard again soon. UTG
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 19, 2024 20:31:41 GMT
Very talented player, low on confidence now and goes to ground too easily, will be mustard again soon. UTG He doesn't go to ground as easily as certain Norwich players! Although if it's an issue won't MT tell him to stay on his feet or he'll sub him off? |
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Post by pucklegas on Jan 19, 2024 20:46:54 GMT
Very talented player, low on confidence now and goes to ground too easily, will be mustard again soon. UTG He doesn't go to ground as easily as certain Norwich players! Although if it's an issue won't MT tell him to stay on his feet or he'll sub him off? Think he has a bit of a reputation now, JCH was the master of winning free kicks, because of his strength if he went over Refs thought it must've have been a foul, think Azza is quick to go down and makes it look like a Tom Daley, needs to get in the gym and baulk up, like Armand Traore 😂 |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 19, 2024 21:27:41 GMT
He doesn't go to ground as easily as certain Norwich players! Although if it's an issue won't MT tell him to stay on his feet or he'll sub him off? Think he has a bit of a reputation now, JCH was the master of winning free kicks, because of his strength if he went over Refs thought it must've have been a foul, think Azza is quick to go down and makes it look like a Tom Daley, needs to get in the gym and baulk up, like Armand Traore 😂 I noticed Martin went down a few times on Wednesday holding his leg then immediately got up when given the foul, perhaps AC is just doing what he's told to do by MT |
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Post by gasify on Jan 19, 2024 23:33:05 GMT
Think he has a bit of a reputation now, JCH was the master of winning free kicks, because of his strength if he went over Refs thought it must've have been a foul, think Azza is quick to go down and makes it look like a Tom Daley, needs to get in the gym and baulk up, like Armand Traore 😂 , perhaps AC is just doing what he's told to do by MT Championship quality, right there. |
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Post by whitchurchgas on Jan 20, 2024 8:12:44 GMT
Think he has a bit of a reputation now, JCH was the master of winning free kicks, because of his strength if he went over Refs thought it must've have been a foul, think Azza is quick to go down and makes it look like a Tom Daley, needs to get in the gym and baulk up, like Armand Traore 😂 I noticed Martin went down a few times on Wednesday holding his leg then immediately got up when given the foul, perhaps AC is just doing what he's told to do by MT Martin did that in his first game which must of been under JB? I think some players are just more versed to the ‘dark arts’ and more convincing than others. |
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