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Post by Qatar Gas on Jan 30, 2024 9:15:43 GMT
If they choose Collins, I think Niall Ennis would be a good fit for us, initial loan until the end of season with a view to buy in the summer. He's not getting much of a look in at Blackburn, bar the odd brief appearance coming off the bench late in games. He's not exactly prolific but he's got plenty of pace, power & energy that we desperately lack up front, plus has got a promotion on his CV just last season at Plymouth. Blackburn say they want 500k for him. Either now or in the summer after going out on loan first. Sell Collins for 750k, sign Ennis for 500k. That looks like good business to me. |
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 30, 2024 9:26:19 GMT
If they choose Collins, I think Niall Ennis would be a good fit for us, initial loan until the end of season with a view to buy in the summer. He's not getting much of a look in at Blackburn, bar the odd brief appearance coming off the bench late in games. He's not exactly prolific but he's got plenty of pace, power & energy that we desperately lack up front, plus has got a promotion on his CV just last season at Plymouth. Blackburn say they want 500k for him. Either now or in the summer after going out on loan first. Sell Collins for 750k, sign Ennis for 500k. That looks like good business to me. I think Ennis would be smart replacement for Collins. Although I think if Blackburns asking price is £500k, then it's a bit of a p*ss take. They got him on a free in the summer, so it's not as if they've invested heavily in him in the first place and he's only played about 400 minutes of Football since being there, his only appearances have been the odd few minutes as a late sub. At least with Collins he's got a PFA Player Of The Season Award on his CV, plus even though his overall form has declined rapidly he's still in the top 2 most creative players in the Division. |
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Post by mftc on Jan 30, 2024 9:31:37 GMT
How much interest are we paying on the South Stand build? How much is he on a week?
If we took £650k now (with add ons), would that actually be better than £750k, £800k or more, in the summer?
He has effectively handed in his notice. Yeah people on here will say they have personal and professional pride and still gave 110% (sic) in their notice periods but he would have a bit of a double edged sword.
He needs to play well to maintain interest, but he wouldn't want to make that 30 yard sprint on a cold away game to close down a defensive clearance if he might do his hammy, or put himself into a 50/50 challenge if it risked getting injured and therefore he wouldn't be giving 100% for Rovers.
He might be more single minded to get more attention and want to get goals so may selfishly shoot when other players are in better positions.
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Post by Qatar Gas on Jan 30, 2024 9:40:24 GMT
Blackburn say they want 500k for him. Either now or in the summer after going out on loan first. Sell Collins for 750k, sign Ennis for 500k. That looks like good business to me. I think Ennis would be smart replacement for Collins. Although I think if Blackburns asking price is £500k, then it's a bit of a p*ss take. They got him on a free in the summer, so it's not as if they've invested heavily in him in the first place and he's only played about 400 minutes of Football since being there, his only appearances have been the odd few minutes as a late sub. At least with Collins he's got a PFA Player Of The Season Award on his CV, plus even though his overall form has declined rapidly he's still in the top 2 most creative players in the Division. Your right 500k is a lot. If Bolton nor anybody else shows interest in him going into the final day could be worth a low ball take it or leave it offer (250k/300k) just to see what they do. They wont get more for him in the summer if he isn't playing. |
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 30, 2024 9:44:37 GMT
Just a thought, do you think Bolton have been after Collins for a while, and that Collins was fully aware of that?
Or do you think Boltons serious interest came about after his performance in our win there recently?
That was certainly Aaron Collins best performance for a long time up at Bolton.
Makes you wonder.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jan 30, 2024 9:50:28 GMT
It won't happen but if Collins goes we should easily be able to afford JCH. We all know Collins is a dud at the moment. JCH hasn't been playing for posh because he wants out and somehow they are doing fine without him. Collins money would help pay for the new stand unfortunately though that is probably what the owners have in mind. We must go for JCH he doesn't want to sign for anyone else but the owners don't give a monkeys about that so sad. Still not substantiated but down to speculation. Obviously there was a massive ballsup but what we know if from people who have talked to people. They may be right but we do not know, not factually, what or who drove the situation to it breaking down |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jan 30, 2024 9:50:59 GMT
Hey just straight swap AC for JCH ?
Plus add ons.
Cut the middle men out.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jan 30, 2024 10:00:23 GMT
we have to be realistic. if Collin's mindset is such that a bid from a few clubs makes him not able to play in a game for us we need to take the best offer get a sell on clause/international clause and move on. Or motivate him. It seems that we have given up on incentivising and man management. It does look like his head has been turned and he wants gone. It seems ridiculous, to me, that he doesn’t understand that if he gets his form back then his stock would rise ergo his signing on fee would be bigger too |
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Post by CornishPasty_Gas on Jan 30, 2024 10:05:39 GMT
Probably was impressed with him at their place, but lets be honest, thats the only decent game he's had this season, or nearly a year.
I think Rovers should accept their next offer, waiting out for a milly is silly - he isn't worth that, and come the summer he only has 1 year left. Take the offer Mr AlSaeed!
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 30, 2024 10:07:56 GMT
Hey just straight swap AC for JCH ? Plus add ons. Cut the middle men out. Didn't we turn down around £600k already? JCH is worth less than that, with only 6 months left on his contract. So why would we straight swap him? |
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Post by trevorgas on Jan 30, 2024 10:09:51 GMT
Just a thought, do you think Bolton have been after Collins for a while, and that Collins was fully aware of that? Or do you think Boltons serious interest came about after his performance in our win there recently? That was certainly Aaron Collins best performance for a long time up at Bolton. Makes you wonder. If his Agent knew then so would he,can't hold their own water! |
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Post by TAGas on Jan 30, 2024 10:23:49 GMT
Just a thought, do you think Bolton have been after Collins for a while, and that Collins was fully aware of that? Or do you think Boltons serious interest came about after his performance in our win there recently? That was certainly Aaron Collins best performance for a long time up at Bolton. Makes you wonder. If his Agent knew then so would he,can't hold their own water! Apparently he's just got a new agent |
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Post by GasAttacK on Jan 30, 2024 10:27:16 GMT
Collins played a massive part in our promotion. He was sensational after scoring that wordlie against Oxford in the cup.
For 2/3 of last season he was the best player in L1. Incredible stats. At one point top of both assists and goals scored. Deservedly L1 player of the year.
I've just been watching his highlights from last season and it's easy to forget just how good he was.
Even this season, which has been poor by his standards, he still has the second highest assists in L1.
He's been with us 2.5 years and some don't know which foot he favours because he's equally good with both.
This time last year we'd have been disappointed to lose him for 3M.
You're not buying a player with potential. You're buying a player that has proved what he's capable of. He's only 26 and will find that form again.
I'd say 1M is a fair price but if he wants to go that weakens our position slightly. 750k + add ons and a 20% sell on.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jan 30, 2024 10:57:52 GMT
Hey just straight swap AC for JCH ? Plus add ons. Cut the middle men out. Didn't we turn down around £600k already? JCH is worth less than that, with only 6 months left on his contract. So why would we straight swap him? Tbh I'd rip someone's arm off for £600k. But if you like, posh can chuck us a few more grand to make it up!? |
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Post by neilv93 on Jan 30, 2024 11:10:08 GMT
Collins played a massive part in our promotion. He was sensational after scoring that worldie against Oxford in the cup. For 2/3 of last season he was the best player in L1. Incredible stats. At one point top of both assists and goals scored. Deservedly L1 player of the year. I've just been watching his highlights from last season and it's easy to forget just how good he was. Even this season, which has been poor by his standards, he's still has the second highest assists in L1. He's been with us 2.5 years and some don't know which foot he favours because he's equally good with both. This time last year we'd have been disappointed to lose him for 3M. You're not buying a player with potential. You're buying a player that has proved what he's capable of. He's only 26 and will find that form again. I'd say 1M is a fair price but if he wants to go that weakens our position slightly. 750k + add ons and a 20% sell on. I completely agree, well said. |
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Post by wertongas on Jan 30, 2024 11:13:33 GMT
Just a thought, do you think Bolton have been after Collins for a while, and that Collins was fully aware of that? Or do you think Boltons serious interest came about after his performance in our win there recently? That was certainly Aaron Collins best performance for a long time up at Bolton. Makes you wonder. My understanding from some reports , is that Bolton have been interested in him for a while. If that is true and he knows it, it maybe the reason why AC played so well against Bolton. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 30, 2024 11:22:18 GMT
Aaron Collins is a weird 1. I can't remember a player for us taking such a big drop after being so highly regarded for a season or 2. You can say all you like about his assists etc but he's just a glorified Tom Nichols on current form. Personally I'd be happy with £750k with a sell on. He's not worth much to us on current form.
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Post by socrates on Jan 30, 2024 11:39:20 GMT
Collins played a massive part in our promotion. He was sensational after scoring that wordlie against Oxford in the cup. For 2/3 of last season he was the best player in L1. Incredible stats. At one point top of both assists and goals scored. Deservedly L1 player of the year. I've just been watching his highlights from last season and it's easy to forget just how good he was. Even this season, which has been poor by his standards, he still has the second highest assists in L1. He's been with us 2.5 years and some don't know which foot he favours because he's equally good with both. This time last year we'd have been disappointed to lose him for 3M. You're not buying a player with potential. You're buying a player that has proved what he's capable of. He's only 26 and will find that form again. I'd say 1M is a fair price but if he wants to go that weakens our position slightly. 750k + add ons and a 20% sell on. I agree with this because let’s face it they’re statistics which are hard to argue. On the flip side he’s 26 and he’s only ever been very good for 12 months in his career. The rest he’s looked like a league 2 or average league 1 player at best. Why that is I’ve got no idea. |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Jan 30, 2024 11:40:18 GMT
Aaron is not a natural striker and probably been found out after a prolific start in division one . However I still think he as a lot of quality cutting in mostly from the left side. The assist he mades with is pace shouldn't be underrated.
The problem this season is we haven't got a natural number 9 and have struck very lucky with Martin similar to rammell a few years ago. However we can't expect Martin to be our future in years to come even though he gives 100% and is a true pro.
I think Aaron would be a quality signing playing off a proven goalscorer and this is why clubs could up there offer to 800k . The failure not to find a striker have indirectly affected Collins. I'm not justifying is body language at times but trying to explain why a top player is struggling. You don't get voted the best player in the leauge for nothing.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Jan 30, 2024 12:32:52 GMT
Aaron is not a natural striker and probably been found out after a prolific start in division one . However I still think he as a lot of quality cutting in mostly from the left side. The assist he mades with is pace shouldn't be underrated. The problem this season is we haven't got a natural number 9 and have struck very lucky with Martin similar to rammell a few years ago. However we can't expect Martin to be our future in years to come even though he gives 100% and is a true pro. I think Aaron would be a quality signing playing off a proven goalscorer and this is why clubs could up there offer to 800k . The failure not to find a striker have indirectly affected Collins. I'm not justifying is body language at times but trying to explain why a top player is struggling. You don't get voted the best player in the leauge for nothing. I'll give a bit of context to above. For nearly 3 years since Collins been with us . Our leading leauge striker 2023/24 apart from Martin is Marquis on 4. For the 2022/23 season Coburn ( loan ) 10 Marquis 9. For 2021/22 Evans 10 E.Anderson (loan) 7. This means for the last 3 seasons except Martin and loans . The only striker to score a few is Marquis . He bagged just 13 in 60 games. Traditionally we have been blessed in finding a proven striker almost every year or two. Can you imagine the pressure on Collins to continually bag 15 plus goals a season ?. |
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