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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 21, 2024 9:52:29 GMT
I could understand Hunt coming in and playing Luke further forward. Buy Hunt was woeful and Hoole, was also woeful, so the whole right hand side contributed to both goals. Second half, Hoole went off, LT played as wing back again and was marked out the game because Blackpool could afford to add an extra man as Grant and Marquis were totally ineffective through the middle. One post you're saying JB is a fraud, the next we lost due to MT's team selection etc? After yesterday's and Wednesday's game I do wonder if MT is out of his depth. Why didn't he go to a flat back 4 on Wednesday at halftime instead of going gung for a second, then yesterday's starting line was a total disaster. He also left it far too late to bring on Collins when it was clear we weren't creating anything in the second half. Let's be fair to MT, he's finding out in real time and not in pre season time who is good enough and who isn't and having to pick the best squad from what's available to him as well as work a formation around it all of which was picked and signed by the fraud. I'm also a realist and MT won't be 100% perfect and pick the right team every game. However he is also expecting the senior pros to step up under the current run (Marquis, Hunt for eg) and they aren't with the exception of Finley (who I've been critical of this year) but he's now injured. Losing Ward and Finley in 2 games has been a huge blow to our midfield. I could see his logic in yesterday's formation and it probably would have worked if Hunt and Hoole weren't such a s disaster for the opening 20 mins. LT also had a great chance to equalise to make it 1-1. I do agree with you about Collins. Re Norwich: A flat back 4 would have encouraged them to pile forward even more, technically in defence we were a 5 and it neutered them first half. It took a lucky rebound for them to equalise and dive to win a pen to beat us. Like yesterday, poor reffing decisions cost us massively again and we don't have the quality or depth to turn those things around or play through them like Blackpool do. I'd love Coulsen, Dembele and Rhodes in our first team. |
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Post by stevek192 on Jan 21, 2024 10:23:18 GMT
I agree with Toppergas but you certainly dont take out the one man who knows where the net is!! Which would you prefer- a headless chicken who chases everyone around but rarely scores or a striker who is a class finisher? I know which i would have . The problem as I see it is MT and JB as well like the one up front probably to compensate for defenders who have an error in them,You could play Martin up top on the last man and have maybe Brown and Collins pushing up to pressurise. I think the statistics from yesterdays match were 15 crosses from which only one went to our player. This means either Thomas and Vale cant cross a ball or we dont get enough players in the box quick enough- i think it is a bit of both.
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Post by percy on Jan 21, 2024 10:28:35 GMT
Watched vale closely yesterday, especially first half. Only good things came down that side. He played well.
Pros: has obviously been coached well. Always makes the right decision. Never takes too long to get the ball in. Makes room, crosses or passes. The fake he did to fool their defender was class, could see it coming and the defender fell for it.
Cons: despite the above. The crosses never quite come off. Partially this can be put down to the strikers not being where they need to be but generally the crosses just aren’t quite good enough. Needs more assists.
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Post by Iliveinbidefordgas on Jan 21, 2024 10:29:06 GMT
One question I would like to ask
When you 2/1 down on 94 min got a corner why bother with a defender and keeper put them in the box ?
Ok so you probably end up losing 3/1 ? But does that really matter ?
Might of got a point ?
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Post by rememberhalifax on Jan 21, 2024 10:41:06 GMT
Disappointing all round, always the danger following cup exit that season would be considered 'over' by players and fans and the intensity and desire levels would drop. Where as any thoughts of exiting this league 'upwards' disappeared some time ago imho, we do not want to sleep walk downwards either but that is the danger. You could rightly argue that players are paid to perform and should do so whatever the circumstances, you would be right but this is where managerial skills come to the fore and MT has some motivational work to do. He will have a good idea of what and who is needed to move forward and who isn't, (as every one on here has!), no time like the present to set the revolving door in motion yet again! Imho we have to let him get on with it but he must also realise that while fans will tolerate losing a few games during the process ,they pay hard earned money to watch a committed performance and have a right to expect same. We must let him get on with it ,my only plea is 'can we give consideration to giving ' one of our own' a decent oppertunity? PLEASE !
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jan 21, 2024 11:03:21 GMT
That was woeful sitting in bed at 11pm watching ifollow. Bit like a train wreck . Evan’s was great but couldn’t get the rest to follow him in effort. What’s gone wrong ? I thought the previous manager brought together a squad that could challenge for promotion. Wael seemed the saviour at last I said. We went out of the league came back up and got promoted to L1 again . Has anything changed other than moving a few deck chairs NO. New part owner and new manager so if we can avoid a complete meltdown and fingers crossed stay mid table I will be semi happy. A good injection of funds to buy new players and a clear out at end of season IMO would be best. Long long long suffering Gashead UTG But is the money available to be paying up contracts and getting in decent players ? The way some are writing, you could think we had unlimited funds |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 21, 2024 11:25:10 GMT
And some still believe this isn't a penalty. Sorry to bring up the Norwich game as well but its the only clip I have found of the incident. Watched that several more times and still not a penalty for me. |
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Post by keygas on Jan 21, 2024 11:27:14 GMT
Feared the worst when i saw the starting lineup, with Finley joining Ward on the injury list, so we lost our first choice midfield , after a dreadful opening twenty minutes but TBH you must give credit to the Blackpool’s players finishing, I thought we played some decent football, but as usual we creat chances but unless they fall to Chris Martin, there’s not much confidence that we will convert them.
Thought overall we deserved a point , to me we should have had a penalty in added time, just skipped to the penalty incident on the ifollow full match replay & the Blackpool co-commentator says straight away, we got away with one there, which just about sums it up.
Anyway hopefully we might get a couple of new players in & one or two back from injury & get back to winning ways Tuesday against Exeter City.
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Post by returnofthedust on Jan 21, 2024 11:27:24 GMT
One post you're saying JB is a fraud, the next we lost due to MT's team selection etc? After yesterday's and Wednesday's game I do wonder if MT is out of his depth. Why didn't he go to a flat back 4 on Wednesday at halftime instead of going gung for a second, then yesterday's starting line was a total disaster. He also left it far too late to bring on Collins when it was clear we weren't creating anything in the second half. Let's be fair to MT, he's finding out in real time and not in pre season time who is good enough and who isn't and having to pick the best squad from what's available to him as well as work a formation around it all of which was picked and signed by the fraud. I'm also a realist and MT won't be 100% perfect and pick the right team every game. However he is also expecting the senior pros to step up under the current run (Marquis, Hunt for eg) and they aren't with the exception of Finley (who I've been critical of this year) but he's now injured. Losing Ward and Finley in 2 games has been a huge blow to our midfield. I could see his logic in yesterday's formation and it probably would have worked if Hunt and Hoole weren't such a s disaster for the opening 20 mins. LT also had a great chance to equalise to make it 1-1. I do agree with you about Collins. Re Norwich: A flat back 4 would have encouraged them to pile forward even more, technically in defence we were a 5 and it neutered them first half. It took a lucky rebound for them to equalise and dive to win a pen to beat us. Like yesterday, poor reffing decisions cost us massively again and we don't have the quality or depth to turn those things around or play through them like Blackpool do. I'd love Coulsen, Dembele and Rhodes in our first team. I was in hospitality Wednesday. LT came in and admitted he had caught him. |
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Post by gasheadontour on Jan 21, 2024 11:58:10 GMT
LT came in and admitted he had caught him. At least that clears-up that the player didn't dive and the ref was correct. |
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Post by hollyhillgas on Jan 21, 2024 14:15:18 GMT
LT came in and admitted he had caught him. At least that clears-up that the player didn't dive and the ref was correct. Maybe, but the player who had the ball dived, and he dived before the player who Thomas touched dived. Should have been a free kick to Rovers and a yellow for the canary. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 21, 2024 14:20:53 GMT
Yesterday's full match is now up on iFollow, not sure whether it was a foul or just typical of Collins going down easily but it was outside of the box anyway. So unlikely we would have scored even if we'd been awarded a free kick.
As far as Wednesday whether LT touched the Ipswich player or not he clearly made a meal of it and could have stayed on his feet. It's odd how every decision always seems to go against us, Cox being fouled and Crama knocked off the ball in recent games but we rarely get similar decisions, Collins being a good example of one yesterday.
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Post by hollyhillgas on Jan 21, 2024 14:22:07 GMT
Just got back.. A wonderful time out and about, the weather was conducive for an apple roam and great to see establishments thrive in tranquility and anticipation of forthcoming match early doors.. An interesting time with some of you! Anyhoos, onto some less important matters.. Are we on the beach? It was Blackpool!? I would say, no but season is over.... but we now have little to play for, apart from pride. The risk is we slip into the paradigm of pre relegation form where a win draw or loss is irrelevant.....I know we're a working progress in transition, but there are certain dangers that come along with that. We are back to a very quiet Mem at times. I think the paragraph above very much lends itself to that. Okies....keeper made some good saves, one punch out, but his general distribution and command of area, poor. Also his coming out of box belshaw- like left a lot to be desired. It's now a given that opposition teams bang in set pieces under the crossbar, which he struggles with and so do our defence. I like Cox, he's young and energetic, will probably play at a higher level than we will ever achieve.....just old fashioned and prefer an experienced goalkeeper instead of blooding someone else's. This leads to a change in continuity in defence. Nice to see Hunt back, who done ok. Just ok. I thought Connor Taylor ever reliable was off the pace, and Crama pending one disaster was pick of the backline that kept dembele and rhodes quiet. But the goals we conceded, I felt the whole unit could have done better.. Midfield missing Finley and I thought we done ok, but Blackpool were better than us, we most of the time lost our battles, Blackpool were quick to get the second ball and looked hungrier....we were again lethargic in possession, attacking and pace. Pick of the mid, my m o m AE with a very hardworking performance. Strong player covered much ground and stick to captain's task well. Well done CM....the goal tally continues with cheeky backheeled flip! I thought Blackpool were well organised, pretty much outplayed us first half. I really liked their no15 left back with fair hair, we just couldn't get anything going down that side - LT switched sides for a while. Their keeper picked regulation catches out the air almost unchallenged at times, also made crucial save v LT. People will moan at the officials again and rightly so....book a keeper for time waisting, but you're never gonna send him off, so he'll carry on.... baffling decisions left wondering why? And inconsistency..... I'm not sure about penalty shout but leaning towards yes, but it's AC isn't it and words got around....? To conclude. We are typical in transition club with new man working out what he wants and who he wants.... it's going to be ugly and simpering for a while. That coupled with the most horrendous injury list as it feels someone gets injured every match, is a recipe for beach football. We're not far away from it. Apathy await. I think their keeper was booked retrospectively because he hoodwinked the ref, (not to difficult) just before halftime with that feigned head injury, just as Rovers were about to equalise. |
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Post by Sir Trevor on Jan 21, 2024 14:29:25 GMT
Anyone know the attendance today ?. 💙 ] Total crowd of 8,013. Blackpool fans were 561. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 21, 2024 14:47:34 GMT
Just got back.. A wonderful time out and about, the weather was conducive for an apple roam and great to see establishments thrive in tranquility and anticipation of forthcoming match early doors.. An interesting time with some of you! Anyhoos, onto some less important matters.. Are we on the beach? It was Blackpool!? I would say, no but season is over.... but we now have little to play for, apart from pride. The risk is we slip into the paradigm of pre relegation form where a win draw or loss is irrelevant.....I know we're a working progress in transition, but there are certain dangers that come along with that. We are back to a very quiet Mem at times. I think the paragraph above very much lends itself to that. Okies....keeper made some good saves, one punch out, but his general distribution and command of area, poor. Also his coming out of box belshaw- like left a lot to be desired. It's now a given that opposition teams bang in set pieces under the crossbar, which he struggles with and so do our defence. I like Cox, he's young and energetic, will probably play at a higher level than we will ever achieve.....just old fashioned and prefer an experienced goalkeeper instead of blooding someone else's. This leads to a change in continuity in defence. Nice to see Hunt back, who done ok. Just ok. I thought Connor Taylor ever reliable was off the pace, and Crama pending one disaster was pick of the backline that kept dembele and rhodes quiet. But the goals we conceded, I felt the whole unit could have done better.. Midfield missing Finley and I thought we done ok, but Blackpool were better than us, we most of the time lost our battles, Blackpool were quick to get the second ball and looked hungrier....we were again lethargic in possession, attacking and pace. Pick of the mid, my m o m AE with a very hardworking performance. Strong player covered much ground and stick to captain's task well. Well done CM....the goal tally continues with cheeky backheeled flip! I thought Blackpool were well organised, pretty much outplayed us first half. I really liked their no15 left back with fair hair, we just couldn't get anything going down that side - LT switched sides for a while. Their keeper picked regulation catches out the air almost unchallenged at times, also made crucial save v LT. People will moan at the officials again and rightly so....book a keeper for time waisting, but you're never gonna send him off, so he'll carry on.... baffling decisions left wondering why? And inconsistency..... I'm not sure about penalty shout but leaning towards yes, but it's AC isn't it and words got around....? To conclude. We are typical in transition club with new man working out what he wants and who he wants.... it's going to be ugly and simpering for a while. That coupled with the most horrendous injury list as it feels someone gets injured every match, is a recipe for beach football. We're not far away from it. Apathy await. I think their keeper was booked retrospectively because he hoodwinked the ref, (not to difficult) just before halftime with that feigned head injury, just as Rovers were about to equalise. The keeper was clearly booked for foolishly deciding to move to reset the ball after he'd been warned. Not sure how often he's played this season but he looked a potential flapper but we never put him under any pressure. It would be interesting to know how experienced their CB's were compared to ours, as they looked like a very solid unit. |
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Post by socrates on Jan 21, 2024 14:56:40 GMT
Barton had everything his way and practically ran the club while he was here so having left it was always going to take time to put all of the pieces back together again.
I don’t think we’ll really see what Taylor can do for us until after the summer window and in to the opening run of games next season only then should he really be judged on whether he’s the right man for the job and we’ll see if he’s taking us forwards - pushing for top 6 , standing still - mediocre league 1 side or backwards - the unthinkable.
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Post by bidefordgas on Jan 21, 2024 15:03:27 GMT
I think their keeper was booked retrospectively because he hoodwinked the ref, (not to difficult) just before halftime with that feigned head injury, just as Rovers were about to equalise. The keeper was clearly booked for foolishly deciding to move to reset the ball after he'd been warned. Not sure how often he's played this season but he looked a potential flapper but we never put him under any pressure. It would be interesting to know how experienced their CB's were compared to ours, as they looked like a very solid unit. He is an ex City keeper, started his career at Sheffield Wed in 2006 and has played for umpteen clubs since. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Jan 21, 2024 15:41:12 GMT
Just got back.. A wonderful time out and about, the weather was conducive for an apple roam and great to see establishments thrive in tranquility and anticipation of forthcoming match early doors.. An interesting time with some of you! Anyhoos, onto some less important matters.. Are we on the beach? It was Blackpool!? I would say, no but season is over.... but we now have little to play for, apart from pride. The risk is we slip into the paradigm of pre relegation form where a win draw or loss is irrelevant.....I know we're a working progress in transition, but there are certain dangers that come along with that. We are back to a very quiet Mem at times. I think the paragraph above very much lends itself to that. Okies....keeper made some good saves, one punch out, but his general distribution and command of area, poor. Also his coming out of box belshaw- like left a lot to be desired. It's now a given that opposition teams bang in set pieces under the crossbar, which he struggles with and so do our defence. I like Cox, he's young and energetic, will probably play at a higher level than we will ever achieve.....just old fashioned and prefer an experienced goalkeeper instead of blooding someone else's. This leads to a change in continuity in defence. Nice to see Hunt back, who done ok. Just ok. I thought Connor Taylor ever reliable was off the pace, and Crama pending one disaster was pick of the backline that kept dembele and rhodes quiet. But the goals we conceded, I felt the whole unit could have done better.. Midfield missing Finley and I thought we done ok, but Blackpool were better than us, we most of the time lost our battles, Blackpool were quick to get the second ball and looked hungrier....we were again lethargic in possession, attacking and pace. Pick of the mid, my m o m AE with a very hardworking performance. Strong player covered much ground and stick to captain's task well. Well done CM....the goal tally continues with cheeky backheeled flip! I thought Blackpool were well organised, pretty much outplayed us first half. I really liked their no15 left back with fair hair, we just couldn't get anything going down that side - LT switched sides for a while. Their keeper picked regulation catches out the air almost unchallenged at times, also made crucial save v LT. People will moan at the officials again and rightly so....book a keeper for time waisting, but you're never gonna send him off, so he'll carry on.... baffling decisions left wondering why? And inconsistency..... I'm not sure about penalty shout but leaning towards yes, but it's AC isn't it and words got around....? To conclude. We are typical in transition club with new man working out what he wants and who he wants.... it's going to be ugly and simpering for a while. That coupled with the most horrendous injury list as it feels someone gets injured every match, is a recipe for beach football. We're not far away from it. Apathy await. I think their keeper was booked retrospectively because he hoodwinked the ref, (not to difficult) just before halftime with that feigned head injury, just as Rovers were about to equalise. Sorry...Topper beat me to it. Thanks for replying as we all see it differently. |
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Jan 21, 2024 18:10:11 GMT
Anyone know the attendance today ?. 💙 ] Total crowd of 8,013. Blackpool fans were 561. Thank you STB 👍💙 |
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