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Post by singupgas on Jan 24, 2024 21:26:02 GMT
No idea what want with the JCH deal, given Wael was apparently calling DMc continually he's as complicit as the new owners. Waiting for a manager meant we made what seemed a decent appointment MT's now got support None of us really know why the board stopped Belshaw's return, perhaps Mangs wasn't aware Wael had agreed with Brentford Cox had to play if fit? Although Belshaw is clearly only a L2 goalie now anyway. Martin's now signed, I've not heard the owner say anything today, where was that published? This is just typical of your rants, a few weeks ago it was great the owners had sacked JB now they are apparently incompetent, why didn't you ever call out Wael for appointing JB and surrounding himself with all his mates, just how incompetent was that? Because what was incompetent about JB being a football manager. Relegated with a side Tisdale claimed he also couldn't do anything with. Bounce right back up first time of asking. Result and performances dipped, JB was sacked. JB has nothing to do with how the club is being run. The owners call the shots and overall in the 6 months or so, it has hardly been an inspiring start. Fingers crossed all the good stuff is to come. |
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Post by Quarters on Jan 24, 2024 21:36:58 GMT
No idea what want with the JCH deal, given Wael was apparently calling DMc continually he's as complicit as the new owners. Waiting for a manager meant we made what seemed a decent appointment MT's now got support None of us really know why the board stopped Belshaw's return, perhaps Mangs wasn't aware Wael had agreed with Brentford Cox had to play if fit? Although Belshaw is clearly only a L2 goalie now anyway. Martin's now signed, I've not heard the owner say anything today, where was that published? This is just typical of your rants, a few weeks ago it was great the owners had sacked JB now they are apparently incompetent, why didn't you ever call out Wael for appointing JB and surrounding himself with all his mates, just how incompetent was that? Because what was incompetent about JB being a football manager. Relegated with a side Tisdale claimed he also couldn't do anything with. Bounce right back up first time of asking. Result and performances dipped, JB was sacked. JB has nothing to do with how the club is being run. The owners call the shots and overall in the 6 months or so, it has hardly been an inspiring start. Fingers crossed all the good stuff is to come. Relegated after saying we would not be relegated, and we were not in a relegation position when he came in. Was totally responsible for the structure and how the club was run. From which we are now in a mess. Creating a large unbalanced squad. The only bit I agree with in your post is that he got promotion. Incompetent manager who is very unlikely to manage again. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 24, 2024 21:47:58 GMT
No idea what want with the JCH deal, given Wael was apparently calling DMc continually he's as complicit as the new owners. Waiting for a manager meant we made what seemed a decent appointment MT's now got support None of us really know why the board stopped Belshaw's return, perhaps Mangs wasn't aware Wael had agreed with Brentford Cox had to play if fit? Although Belshaw is clearly only a L2 goalie now anyway. Martin's now signed, I've not heard the owner say anything today, where was that published? This is just typical of your rants, a few weeks ago it was great the owners had sacked JB now they are apparently incompetent, why didn't you ever call out Wael for appointing JB and surrounding himself with all his mates, just how incompetent was that? Because what was incompetent about JB being a football manager. Relegated with a side Tisdale claimed he also couldn't do anything with. Bounce right back up first time of asking. Result and performances dipped, JB was sacked. JB has nothing to do with how the club is being run. The owners call the shots and overall in the 6 months or so, it has hardly been an inspiring start. Fingers crossed all the good stuff is to come. So having no recruitment team to speak of apart from a couple of JB's mates from Liverpool wasn't incompetent? As far as an inspiring start you do have to wonder what the new owners found, if JB's acted anything like he's now doing on X/Twitter there must have found it horrific, likewise we all know TG couldn't organise a raffle let alone run a football club. The club was kept alive by Wael personally spending £3m+ of his own money each season, we all knew that would have to end at some point. |
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Post by singupgas on Jan 24, 2024 22:07:33 GMT
Because what was incompetent about JB being a football manager. Relegated with a side Tisdale claimed he also couldn't do anything with. Bounce right back up first time of asking. Result and performances dipped, JB was sacked. JB has nothing to do with how the club is being run. The owners call the shots and overall in the 6 months or so, it has hardly been an inspiring start. Fingers crossed all the good stuff is to come. Relegated after saying we would not be relegated, and we were not in a relegation position when he came in. Was totally responsible for the structure and how the club was run. From which we are now in a mess. Creating a large unbalanced squad. The only bit I agree with in your post is that he got promotion. Incompetent manager who is very unlikely to manage again. At the start of the season, it was the best squad we've had. It became unbalanced because we were not winning. Funny that JB was responsible for the structure whatever that means, as soon as JB has left and structure suddenly not right, that we are beginning to spiral. JB didn't sack himself or force Whelan, Mangan or anyone else to leave at the same time. Talking about JB who has been gone 3/4 months now is a a distraction that it's the owners that are the ones that make the decisions and they have mostly been negative or been bit of a shambles. The club is getting a lot of things wrong and for me the evolution is taking far too long. We can't continue to be so amateur. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 24, 2024 22:14:57 GMT
Relegated after saying we would not be relegated, and we were not in a relegation position when he came in. Was totally responsible for the structure and how the club was run. From which we are now in a mess. Creating a large unbalanced squad. The only bit I agree with in your post is that he got promotion. Incompetent manager who is very unlikely to manage again. At the start of the season, it was the best squad we've had. It became unbalanced because we were not winning. Funny that JB was responsible for the structure whatever that means, as soon as JB has left and structure suddenly not right, that we are beginning to spiral. JB didn't sack himself or force Whelan, Mangan or anyone else to leave at the same time. Talking about JB who has been gone 3/4 months now is a a distraction that it's the owners that are the ones that make the decisions and they have mostly been negative or been bit of a shambles. The club is getting a lot of things wrong and for me the evolution is taking far too long. We can't continue to be so amateur. JB was clearly the whole footballing structure, he acted as manager, HoR and Chief Scout, EJ & CS were clearly just his yes men, if Wael let that happen on the playing side it's anybody's guess how the non playing side was being run, or not run. |
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Post by Somersetgas on Jan 24, 2024 22:22:19 GMT
For balance - just deleted both sides of the coin. Let’s keep it clean. I’d just like to drop into this that deleting posts is all very well, however the culprits still get to post their disrespectful posts for all to see before being removed. I think the poster should be sanctioned not the post otherwise it’s like a bully insulting someone in front of others thinking they’re clever, and having it erased later. If you see what I mean. For what it’s worth I am disappointed again that these threads turn into a playground fight and that posters feel the need to act up like this, although I totally agree the thread and subject matter needs to be discussed. I think I’ve said it before, but I’ll ask again for posters to be nice, or Mods please moderate. Lots of good Gasheads will stop posting/reading because of the behaviour of a few, many have already stopped and more will follow. Hope this is read with good intentions attached and hope we can have a forum where others feel both comfortable and welcome. 👍🏾 Excellent post, I’ve been busy today and just catching up. |
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Post by keygas on Jan 24, 2024 22:35:10 GMT
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 24, 2024 22:59:59 GMT
I'd suggest to them that they need to make their bed at home before trying to break the international talent stage. Perhaps why the eye has been firmly off the ball? Who knows. It's also a shame that whoever created the website didn't proof read before instead of the landing page calling us Bristol rover and In "Bristol Rover we make dreams come true". Anything we try to do just looks rank amateur. I mean it's not even that hard is it. |
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Post by madgas on Jan 24, 2024 23:06:56 GMT
To play slightly devil's advocate to myself. It would surprise me if new owners came in and got every decision correct. As per previous post I totally accept that there will be errors.
The worry is a pattern of dither and delay. We need to act quicker not slower on recruitment. We have a small (non existent?) team to bring players in. We don't have the person power to waste on failure. The opportunity cost of transfer failure is far more vicious than most buisness activity. Fall behind on one signing and you're having to come from behind to hijack other deals.
I think firmly believe if we'd of started the season with another forward option we might be 5-6 points better off. If we had a DM for the Exeter and Blackpool game I think we'd of got 4 points extra. That's 9 more points and hella momentum. You don't get the same do-overs in sport as you in buisness.
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Post by EastVanGas on Jan 24, 2024 23:14:09 GMT
I'd suggest to them that they need to make their bed at home before trying to break the international talent stage. Perhaps why the eye has been firmly off the ball? Who knows. It's also a shame that whoever created the website didn't proof read before instead of the landing page calling us Bristol rover and In "Bristol Rover we make dreams come true". Anything we try to do just looks rank amateur. I mean it's not even that hard is it. Perhaps they're planning to rename us?! |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 24, 2024 23:27:35 GMT
To play slightly devil's advocate to myself. It would surprise me if new owners came in and got every decision correct. As per previous post I totally accept that there will be errors. The worry is a pattern of dither and delay. We need to act quicker not slower on recruitment. We have a small (non existent?) team to bring players in. We don't have the person power to waste on failure. The opportunity cost of transfer failure is far more vicious than most buisness activity. Fall behind on one signing and you're having to come from behind to hijack other deals. I think firmly believe if we'd of started the season with another forward option we might be 5-6 points better off. If we had a DM for the Exeter and Blackpool game I think we'd of got 4 points extra. That's 9 more points and hella momentum. You don't get the same do-overs in sport as you in buisness. Fair points. Really thought going into jan ( when we still had a hope of making a late bid for playoffs) we would have done our business early. But…. None of us really know how much more we would / could have to pay to get those deals done at that time. Most deals end up being done nr the end…. Brinkmanship? |
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Post by mariobalotelli on Jan 24, 2024 23:42:22 GMT
No idea what want with the JCH deal, given Wael was apparently calling DMc continually he's as complicit as the new owners. Waiting for a manager meant we made what seemed a decent appointment MT's now got support None of us really know why the board stopped Belshaw's return, perhaps Mangs wasn't aware Wael had agreed with Brentford Cox had to play if fit? Although Belshaw is clearly only a L2 goalie now anyway. Martin's now signed, I've not heard the owner say anything today, where was that published? This is just typical of your rants, a few weeks ago it was great the owners had sacked JB now they are apparently incompetent, why didn't you ever call out Wael for appointing JB and surrounding himself with all his mates, just how incompetent was that? Because what was incompetent about JB being a football manager. Relegated with a side Tisdale claimed he also couldn't do anything with. Bounce right back up first time of asking. Result and performances dipped, JB was sacked. JB has nothing to do with how the club is being run. The owners call the shots and overall in the 6 months or so, it has hardly been an inspiring start. Fingers crossed all the good stuff is to come. Here we gooo |
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 24, 2024 23:47:13 GMT
To play slightly devil's advocate to myself. It would surprise me if new owners came in and got every decision correct. As per previous post I totally accept that there will be errors. The worry is a pattern of dither and delay. We need to act quicker not slower on recruitment. We have a small (non existent?) team to bring players in. We don't have the person power to waste on failure. The opportunity cost of transfer failure is far more vicious than most buisness activity. Fall behind on one signing and you're having to come from behind to hijack other deals. I think firmly believe if we'd of started the season with another forward option we might be 5-6 points better off. If we had a DM for the Exeter and Blackpool game I think we'd of got 4 points extra. That's 9 more points and hella momentum. You don't get the same do-overs in sport as you in buisness. It wouldn't be so bad if they were a touch slow, but conducting themselves well. That would show them to be considered, honourable and well thought out. They seem slow on the uptake, take the scatter gun approach, upset everyone and then make a complete cats arse of it. A well run club starts at the top and filters down. It's why there has been consecutive years of failure at this club. We haven't had all the right bums on all the right seats and rather than it being a smooth process driven operation we've just thrown money at stuff hoping for a result. |
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Post by madgas on Jan 24, 2024 23:47:30 GMT
To play slightly devil's advocate to myself. It would surprise me if new owners came in and got every decision correct. As per previous post I totally accept that there will be errors. The worry is a pattern of dither and delay. We need to act quicker not slower on recruitment. We have a small (non existent?) team to bring players in. We don't have the person power to waste on failure. The opportunity cost of transfer failure is far more vicious than most buisness activity. Fall behind on one signing and you're having to come from behind to hijack other deals. I think firmly believe if we'd of started the season with another forward option we might be 5-6 points better off. If we had a DM for the Exeter and Blackpool game I think we'd of got 4 points extra. That's 9 more points and hella momentum. You don't get the same do-overs in sport as you in buisness. Fair points. Really thought going into jan ( when we still had a hope of making a late bid for playoffs) we would have done our business early. But…. None of us really know how much more we would / could have to pay to get those deals done at that time. Most deals end up being done nr the end…. Brinkmanship? True. But if I had made the decision to sack the manager- I would've been talking recruitment in the interview. I would be asking- for 5 players from the division below that could improve us. It would be so central to my decision that the process would start before they were offered the job. The manager they picked took 7 windows to assemble a side capable of gaining promotion from league 2. He's not a genie. He's a football manager. They didn't have to be in this position. They've largely created it. |
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Post by bluetooth0077 on Jan 24, 2024 23:50:39 GMT
least the tents have gone. I remember talking to a Altrincham fan in our non league days in the west stand he said you have a "fantastic stadium" 🤓🤓 so if everything goes tits up and we end up back in non league hopefully I'd meet him again at the mem. I'm sure he'd be overwhelmed by the sight of the shinny south stand. "You now have a totally!! Fantastic stadium". So in some people's minds we will have progressed 🙂🙂
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Post by madgas on Jan 24, 2024 23:58:58 GMT
To play slightly devil's advocate to myself. It would surprise me if new owners came in and got every decision correct. As per previous post I totally accept that there will be errors. The worry is a pattern of dither and delay. We need to act quicker not slower on recruitment. We have a small (non existent?) team to bring players in. We don't have the person power to waste on failure. The opportunity cost of transfer failure is far more vicious than most buisness activity. Fall behind on one signing and you're having to come from behind to hijack other deals. I think firmly believe if we'd of started the season with another forward option we might be 5-6 points better off. If we had a DM for the Exeter and Blackpool game I think we'd of got 4 points extra. That's 9 more points and hella momentum. You don't get the same do-overs in sport as you in buisness. It wouldn't be so bad if they were a touch slow, but conducting themselves well. That would show them to be considered, honourable and well thought out. They seem slow on the uptake, take the scatter gun approach, upset everyone and then make a complete cats arse of it. A well run club starts at the top and filters down. It's why there has been consecutive years of failure at this club. We haven't had all the right bums on all the right seats and rather than it being a smooth process driven operation we've just thrown money at stuff hoping for a result. Yeah- I've never looked/ dreamt of perfection. I just hope what we do execute we do with respect and efficiency. I'm on board with principle of a memorial stadium regeneration. I'm on board with the manager they've chosen. I'm on board with not over-spending on JCH. However, the execution of these and their limited transfer buisness has not been conducted in the required manner. |
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Post by gasmania on Jan 25, 2024 0:14:01 GMT
We just need Pirate to let them know which future Kuwaiti stars we should be signing! |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 25, 2024 0:19:04 GMT
least the tents have gone. I remember talking to a Altrincham fan in our non league days in the west stand he said you have a "fantastic stadium" 🤓🤓 so if everything goes tits up and we end up back in non league hopefully I'd meet him again at the mem. I'm sure he'd be overwhelmed by the sight of the shinny south stand. "You now have a totally!! Fantastic stadium". So in some people's minds we will have progressed 🙂🙂 😂 |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 25, 2024 0:20:07 GMT
Fair points. Really thought going into jan ( when we still had a hope of making a late bid for playoffs) we would have done our business early. But…. None of us really know how much more we would / could have to pay to get those deals done at that time. Most deals end up being done nr the end…. Brinkmanship? True. But if I had made the decision to sack the manager- I would've been talking recruitment in the interview. I would be asking- for 5 players from the division below that could improve us. It would be so central to my decision that the process would start before they were offered the job. The manager they picked took 7 windows to assemble a side capable of gaining promotion from league 2. He's not a genie. He's a football manager. They didn't have to be in this position. They've largely created it. Identifying 5 players and actually getting them are two completely different things |
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Post by pirate on Jan 25, 2024 5:32:29 GMT
Fair points. Really thought going into jan ( when we still had a hope of making a late bid for playoffs) we would have done our business early. But…. None of us really know how much more we would / could have to pay to get those deals done at that time. Most deals end up being done nr the end…. Brinkmanship? True. But if I had made the decision to sack the manager- I would've been talking recruitment in the interview. I would be asking- for 5 players from the division below that could improve us. It would be so central to my decision that the process would start before they were offered the job. The manager they picked took 7 windows to assemble a side capable of gaining promotion from league 2. He's not a genie. He's a football manager. They didn't have to be in this position. They've largely created it. That is what a recruitment department and scouting network is for. |
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