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Post by gashead79 on Feb 10, 2024 22:50:05 GMT
I will say it again, no one replies, 69% possession at Burton, lost 4-1. Same players, two different managers and two different styles, neither could get them to consistently work. One was sacked because he signed the players, the new one is struggling like the first but can’t get them working either. Maybe we let the new manager have a go with his own players, meh don’t we let the new man get some cement and bricks and sees what he can build? This house won’t collapse this season once the spine is back. I don’t ever want to see John Marquis start up front again leading the line. I don’t want to see Grant playing CDM again and Gordon left wing back. Earlier in the season: 33 Cox 28 Gibbons Substituted for Bogarde at 76'minutes 17 Taylor 4 Grant 19 Vale 21 Evans Substituted for Marquis at 76'minutes 15 Woods 8 Ward Substituted for Finley at 45'minutes 7 Sinclair Substituted for Crama at 45'minutes 18 Martin Substituted for Gordon at 85'minutes 10 Collins Today: Ward 5 Wilson 26 Baggott 32 Friend 11 Thomas 22 Conteh 4 Grant 3 Gordon 21 Evans 9 Marquis 10 Aguilera 31 Ward 5 Wilson Substituted for Crama at 86'minutes 32 Friend Substituted for Brown at 31'minutes 22 Conteh Substituted for Vaughan at 71'minutes 4 Grant Substituted for Hoole at 71'minutes 10 Aguilera Substituted for Sinclair at 86'minutes Not quite the same players..1 starter the same. You could argue that the team was stronger before but regardless, the sides we are losing too are established at the bottom of the table now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2024 23:05:00 GMT
I will say it again, no one replies, 69% possession at Burton, lost 4-1. Same players, two different managers and two different styles, neither could get them to consistently work. One was sacked because he signed the players, the new one is struggling like the first but can’t get them working either. Maybe we let the new manager have a go with his own players, meh don’t we let the new man get some cement and bricks and sees what he can build? This house won’t collapse this season once the spine is back. I don’t ever want to see John Marquis start up front again leading the line. I don’t want to see Grant playing CDM again and Gordon left wing back. Earlier in the season: 33 Cox 28 Gibbons Substituted for Bogarde at 76'minutes 17 Taylor 4 Grant 19 Vale 21 Evans Substituted for Marquis at 76'minutes 15 Woods 8 Ward Substituted for Finley at 45'minutes 7 Sinclair Substituted for Crama at 45'minutes 18 Martin Substituted for Gordon at 85'minutes 10 Collins Today: Ward 5 Wilson 26 Baggott 32 Friend 11 Thomas 22 Conteh 4 Grant 3 Gordon 21 Evans 9 Marquis 10 Aguilera 31 Ward 5 Wilson Substituted for Crama at 86'minutes 32 Friend Substituted for Brown at 31'minutes 22 Conteh Substituted for Vaughan at 71'minutes 4 Grant Substituted for Hoole at 71'minutes 10 Aguilera Substituted for Sinclair at 86'minutes Not quite the same players..1 starter the same. You could argue that the team was stronger before but regardless, the sides we are losing too are established at the bottom of the table now. This is good Si, what it shows is over 20 players (subs as well) our brilliant squad which Topper raves about, can’t get a point off Burton over two games. It kind of sums it all up doesn’t it, could anyone else do any better🤷🏼♂️
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Post by yattongas on Feb 10, 2024 23:09:54 GMT
I will say it again, no one replies, 69% possession at Burton, lost 4-1. Same players, two different managers and two different styles, neither could get them to consistently work. One was sacked because he signed the players, the new one is struggling like the first but can’t get them working either. Maybe we let the new manager have a go with his own players, meh don’t we let the new man get some cement and bricks and sees what he can build? This house won’t collapse this season once the spine is back. I don’t ever want to see John Marquis start up front again leading the line. I don’t want to see Grant playing CDM again and Gordon left wing back. 100% agree with your last sentence Roady.
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Post by pirate on Feb 10, 2024 23:22:11 GMT
Earlier in the season: 33 Cox 28 Gibbons Substituted for Bogarde at 76'minutes 17 Taylor 4 Grant 19 Vale 21 Evans Substituted for Marquis at 76'minutes 15 Woods 8 Ward Substituted for Finley at 45'minutes 7 Sinclair Substituted for Crama at 45'minutes 18 Martin Substituted for Gordon at 85'minutes 10 Collins Today: Ward 5 Wilson 26 Baggott 32 Friend 11 Thomas 22 Conteh 4 Grant 3 Gordon 21 Evans 9 Marquis 10 Aguilera 31 Ward 5 Wilson Substituted for Crama at 86'minutes 32 Friend Substituted for Brown at 31'minutes 22 Conteh Substituted for Vaughan at 71'minutes 4 Grant Substituted for Hoole at 71'minutes 10 Aguilera Substituted for Sinclair at 86'minutes Not quite the same players..1 starter the same. You could argue that the team was stronger before but regardless, the sides we are losing too are established at the bottom of the table now. This is good Si, what it shows is over 20 players (subs as well) our brilliant squad which Topper raves about, can’t get a point off Burton over two games. It kind of sums it all up doesn’t it, could anyone else do any better🤷🏼♂️ "there's not too much wrong from what I can see" "there is a feeling there that we can hopefully get a little bit more out of them and start producing winning football, as opposed to just good looking football some of the time, but not getting the end out of it." "There's enough time to challenge this season, but we need to win games of football." "this season it seems a little bit more even from top to bottom and we're sat in the middle of the pack at the moment. Someone will come from that position, why can't it be us?" "Like I said to you previously, there's a reason why I took this job and that group of players is one of the main ones."
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Post by gasheadontour on Feb 11, 2024 0:05:15 GMT
So many players out of contract at the end of the season. They won't want to get injured. Add to that there's little to play for and little motivation against the smaller clubs. Any manager would find it a challenge.
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Post by Gastafari on Feb 11, 2024 4:22:23 GMT
Earlier in the season: 33 Cox 28 Gibbons Substituted for Bogarde at 76'minutes 17 Taylor 4 Grant 19 Vale 21 Evans Substituted for Marquis at 76'minutes 15 Woods 8 Ward Substituted for Finley at 45'minutes 7 Sinclair Substituted for Crama at 45'minutes 18 Martin Substituted for Gordon at 85'minutes 10 Collins Today: Ward 5 Wilson 26 Baggott 32 Friend 11 Thomas 22 Conteh 4 Grant 3 Gordon 21 Evans 9 Marquis 10 Aguilera 31 Ward 5 Wilson Substituted for Crama at 86'minutes 32 Friend Substituted for Brown at 31'minutes 22 Conteh Substituted for Vaughan at 71'minutes 4 Grant Substituted for Hoole at 71'minutes 10 Aguilera Substituted for Sinclair at 86'minutes Not quite the same players..1 starter the same. You could argue that the team was stronger before but regardless, the sides we are losing too are established at the bottom of the table now. This is good Si, what it shows is over 20 players (subs as well) our brilliant squad which Topper raves about, can’t get a point off Burton over two games. It kind of sums it all up doesn’t it, could anyone else do any better🤷🏼♂️ Yet we've took 4 points of Portsmouth, outplayed Barnsley, beaten Bolton away etc etc
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Post by Qatar Gas on Feb 11, 2024 5:02:46 GMT
Martin's just picked up the L1 player of the month award and you are seriously questioning whether we should keep him next season, as who do you think this shower are going to sign who's any better? Wael's well and truly sold us down the river with this mob, the forthcoming Q&A with them should be more interesting than the last two home games, assuming it still goes ahead. Its incredible how so many people think we can just pick up a 20 goal a season striker just like that! Do we need a striker? Yes, but to play alongside Martin, not replace him. Without his goals we would be as good as down already. We know that our best eleven when everyone is fully fit is a decent mid to top half of the table team. We know that when you take a couple of our better players out we are poor. Now we know when you take a few out we are dreadful! We can only hope that the likes of Taylor, Finley, Grant Ward, a fully fit Vale (playing in the correct position) are back very soon! At least Martin will be back on Tuesday. We don't even look like scoring without him in the team.
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Post by gulfofaden on Feb 11, 2024 5:14:34 GMT
We are absolutely worst than under Barton.
Thanks, liberal lefties, for getting him out and potentially getting us relegated.
Never mind, we will be top in the tolerance and kindness table.
Before you bite, yes it’s a WUM. With a grain of truth in the core.
Go woke, go broke. Go woke, go down. 🤣
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Post by percy on Feb 11, 2024 7:52:32 GMT
We are absolutely worst than under Barton. Thanks, liberal lefties, for getting him out and potentially getting us relegated. Never mind, we will be top in the tolerance and kindness table. Before you bite, yes it’s a WUM. With a grain of truth in the core. Go woke, go broke. Go woke, go down. 🤣 Cry more ham face
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 11, 2024 8:12:34 GMT
But as it stands with those injuries we are bang in trouble. Bang bang in trouble. And herein lies the rub for MT. Since he has come in he's lost Wilson, Taylor, Hunt, Friend, Grant, Vale, Finley, Crama, McCormick, Ward through injury in some capacity or length of time. Hes never seen Rossiter play. Add to that players which are miles off the pace and were under Barton, Cox, Marquis, Sinclair, Javani as well as lost a major player in Collins, but who wanted to leave and was touted around for sale pretty much as soon as he got here. Facts are facts this squad in its depth, which was assembled by Barton and Jennings was not built for games like Fleetwood, Burton, Cheltenham, insert any other team that are low block and physical. We've seen it time and again both last season and even in L2. It comes down to what I wrote in the other thread about the way we recruited and how JB focused on the player, his potential capability when fit, but never took into account that those players couldn't play for over half the season. Really MT currently has the harder task because on an early season billiard table pitch with at least 4 of the above injured players available, JB probably looked like he was doing a better job, but there were warning signs that these results would come our way. MT has been told to shrink and evaluate the whole squad by the owners but this will take more than 2 months work and 1 transfer window. It also highlights even more that the owners really need to look at our recruitment strategy and get a football scouting network in place asap.
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 11, 2024 8:16:18 GMT
If his style football remains just to hoof the ball forwards then I am worried. You have to believe that MT sent the players out to play that way, rather than they just decided to do what they want. It’s not a bad tactic to have now and again in league one, but not with the strikers we have! Martin can win the odd flick, but neither him nor Marquis are what you’d call big target men. Really need to freshen up the forward line next season I wouldn’t be against a completely new front 4 (I’d keep Martin if wages were reasonable and perhaps with a long term plan to go into striker coaching if interested) UTG I can tell you how many headers Marquis won yesterday. One. Martin has brilliant movement to watch the ball in flight but also incredible physicality that not many defenders will outmuscle. His first touch is excellent and can find space for himself, which is why he's scored 11 this season. Marquis game yesterday showed exactly what Martin brings to the starting 11 and why he isn't good enough for this division anymore.
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Post by supergas on Feb 11, 2024 8:20:20 GMT
It kind of sums it all up doesn’t it, could anyone else do any better🤷🏼♂️ ...are better managers being turned away? Have we ditched better ones to bring in Taylor? Incidentally our previous managers record against Burton was P4 W1 L3 and his record managing us in League One is still worse than Taylor...
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 11, 2024 8:24:44 GMT
It kind of sums it all up doesn’t it, could anyone else do any better🤷🏼♂️ ...are better managers being turned away? Have we ditched better ones to bring in Taylor? Incidentally our previous managers record against Burton was P4 W1 L3 and his record managing us in League One is still worse than Taylor... Somebody else posted JB lost one home game all this season? Now we're looking like we'll do well to avoid defeat in any of our remaining home games! If we Finley and Taylor aren't back soon and we don't improve when they return then you do wonder where the next point is coming from. Under JB we at least thought we might win every game.
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Post by singupgas on Feb 11, 2024 8:36:32 GMT
Strange some on here are now complimentary towards JB after wanting him gone.
MT really needs to find his mojo, just come across at least being positive, saying they will be working hard to sort it out.
What must be said is the players need to step up, they are professionals being paid a decent wage, have some pride, play for the fans that turn up every week and watch. I wants to see a team that wants the ball, not afraid, chase down in numbers when don't have the ball and get forward in numbers when we do.
I don't know where to start with the direction from the owners, we've gone from needing a new stadium to bolting ends on the already dated stands, to selling our better players and not replacing them. I don't know if Wael knew these guys or been naive in thinking they would progress the club, but 6 months in we don't hear from them and don't get impression they know what they are doing. The JCH transfer debacle, tells a big story, JB wanted a player and owners pulled the plug last minute. Sold down a river with this lot I feel.
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Post by supergas on Feb 11, 2024 8:50:20 GMT
...are better managers being turned away? Have we ditched better ones to bring in Taylor? Incidentally our previous managers record against Burton was P4 W1 L3 and his record managing us in League One is still worse than Taylor... Somebody else posted JB lost one home game all this season? Now we're looking like we'll do well to avoid defeat in any of our remaining home games! If we Finley and Taylor aren't back soon and we don't improve when they return then you do wonder where the next point is coming from. Under JB we at least thought we might win every game. Barton's home record this season was P6 W2 D3 L1, hardly setting the world alight beating Wigan (now 14th) and Port Vale (now in the relegation zone)...
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Post by gashead79 on Feb 11, 2024 8:51:39 GMT
But as it stands with those injuries we are bang in trouble. Bang bang in trouble. And herein lies the rub for MT. Since he has come in he's lost Wilson, Taylor, Hunt, Friend, Grant, Vale, Finley, Crama, McCormick, Ward through injury in some capacity or length of time. Hes never seen Rossiter play. Add to that players which are miles off the pace and were under Barton, Cox, Marquis, Sinclair, Javani as well as lost a major player in Collins, but who wanted to leave and was touted around for sale pretty much as soon as he got here. Facts are facts this squad in its depth, which was assembled by Barton and Jennings was not built for games like Fleetwood, Burton, Cheltenham, insert any other team that are low block and physical. We've seen it time and again both last season and even in L2. It comes down to what I wrote in the other thread about the way we recruited and how JB focused on the player, his potential capability when fit, but never took into account that those players couldn't play for over half the season. Really MT currently has the harder task because on an early season billiard table pitch with at least 4 of the above injured players available, JB probably looked like he was doing a better job, but there were warning signs that these results would come our way. MT has been told to shrink and evaluate the whole squad by the owners but this will take more than 2 months work and 1 transfer window. It also highlights even more that the owners really need to look at our recruitment strategy and get a football scouting network in place asap. "Facts are facts this squad in its depth, which was assembled by Barton and Jennings was not built for games like Fleetwood, Burton, Cheltenham, insert any other team that are low block and physical. We've seen it time and again both last season and even in L2." I've read this over and over. A manager with a philosophy doesn't build a squad to play against a certain style. It builds a squad to play a certain style. If you come up against different types of opponents, the idea is to force your will onto them and play to your strengths to nullify theirs. If a side plays long and has big players to impose a physical game, you shut down the long ball players to force poor long balls. Your defenders(who are usually accustomed to aerial bombardment and playing the way they face) should be prepared and concentrate on strict line management/offside/spacial awareness. Its not hard and anybody who has played beyond 14 years of age knows this. If we've got lighter technical players, they need to move off the ball when in possession to find pockets. We then pass the ball quickly to move the big physical side around and draw fouls/limit their possession/frustrate their attackers who won't be getting much of the ball. We should NOT revert to matching up to them because that's their game and we can't win. Blaming past employees is also a bit of a cop out. The real facts are that no matter who pulls on a Jersey and walks onto the field, they should demonstrate effort. We aren't seeing that. We are seeing petulance, shrinking violets, unmotivated individuals. That lies with the manager to get the best out of the squad at his disposal. More than happy to say the players aren't good enough or injuries have hit us etc, that may be true. However we've got 11 on the park and they aren't playing to their full potential at all whilst the application is woeful.
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Post by gashead79 on Feb 11, 2024 8:54:00 GMT
Somebody else posted JB lost one home game all this season? Now we're looking like we'll do well to avoid defeat in any of our remaining home games! If we Finley and Taylor aren't back soon and we don't improve when they return then you do wonder where the next point is coming from. Under JB we at least thought we might win every game. Barton's home record this season was P6 W2 D3 L1, hardly setting the world alight beating Wigan (now 14th) and Port Vale (now in the relegation zone)... No its not, but what it does do is makes you think that we are difficult crack at home. Now we think we cannot win at home. That's a bit of an issue for a few reasons.
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Post by supergas on Feb 11, 2024 8:57:57 GMT
Barton's home record this season was P6 W2 D3 L1, hardly setting the world alight beating Wigan (now 14th) and Port Vale (now in the relegation zone)... No its not, but what it does do is makes you think that we are difficult crack at home. Now we think we cannot win at home. That's a bit of an issue for a few reasons. How quickly people forget beating Portsmouth, Charlton and Oxford at home, all inside the last month and a bit...
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Post by tbonegas on Feb 11, 2024 9:09:36 GMT
Listening to the manager post game sounds like he has given up with this squad. Seriously worrying times. Get the spine back we will be ok. The previous manager gave up on it at HT v Stevenage at home, told them all he was resigning. Mangs never won enough to get the job, I was at Reading, abject performance like this. We will stay up, time to recall Greenslade as well. You can’t beat Bolton, Pompey, Oxford, and be a crap side, the first 13 are top 10 in this league, the issue is Grant, Gordon, Marquis, Cox, Friend, always getting games because the rest can’t stay fit. The last sentence of this post is so apt. I wouldn't have any problem at all chipping in to help pay off these wasters contracts. Especially the first two mentioned.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2024 9:14:48 GMT
After putting the squad under the bus and reversing it again after calling them out as mentally and physically weak then the 12 points we need may be of concern now
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