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Post by playtowin on Feb 11, 2024 12:16:12 GMT
I lost faith when having left sided centrebacks in Crama,Friend and Elkan we find ourselves with Grant playing left sided central defence.
You have to feel a little sorry for Grant being played all over the backline and midfield.
Bullied across the pitch and have been for 2 seasons apparently. So why bring in lightweights like Vaughan and Aguilera ,an inexperienced left sided centreback and a defensive midfielder (whilst has great potential) who is very young and inexperienced at this level.
Sorry MT this is on you.
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Post by andmorg84 on Feb 11, 2024 12:16:38 GMT
Hello all. My first post so go easy on me.
I think that sometimes things have to be given a bit of perspective. In the times we live in, there is a tendency to be a bit too extreme and serious in our reactions. We are all guilty of it at times and the media coverage has an influence on us all if we are not careful.
First and foremost they didn’t play well yesterday and from the sounds of Tuesday it was equally poor, BUT, there is no harm in walking out and thinking they didn’t play well TODAY rather than seeing each defeat as the sign of a crisis.
Secondly, there’s no harm in being flexible with our opinions. We don’t need to be in a Barton or Taylor camp and then search for reasons to continuously back up that position. We are all Gas heads and there is no pleasure in reaching an “I told you so” position, better to just keep hoping things improve regardless of the manager.
Lastly, it’s obvious they are transitioning to a new period for the team and some players are struggling to accept it and grow in confidence. I don’t think Marquis is a bad player, just not a target man. If he received more balls into feet and been given some actual chances it may have been a different game for him. In addition the continuing injuries is really hampering us, we don’t know how many were playing at 50% fitness yesterday which is obviously going to put us at a disadvantage. I personally prefer a passing game and I think we get more out of Thomas and Evans that way but if we are going more direct, we will have to wait and see what players we get in the summer to support that kind of game.
All is not lost and I’m sure we will stay up. Give it time, every manager deserves that. I think in the thirty years I have watched Rovers, we have probably averaged half way up the third division so we are not in a disgraceful position by any means. The win at Exeter was only a week ago so I’m sure they can produce a few more like that to steady the nerves.
UTG!
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Post by olskooltoteender on Feb 11, 2024 12:18:41 GMT
How motivated would you be at work if the boss kept repeating you were useless? I don't believe they are mentally weak, they just can't cope with the physical nature of the game, which is hardly their fault. To be fair to Taylor, he didn’t say they were useless, or that it was the players’ fault. He just pointed out that they are collectively not able to cope with the more physical teams in this league, which we can all see with our own eyes. Yes, we do have individual players like C Taylor, Finley, Conteh, Martin, etc who are up to it and up for it, but that’s not enough, which is why we keep losing to the teams below us. The fact is that most of the players we currently have were brought in to play tippy-tappy, out from the back, possession-based football; it’s not their fault that half the teams in this league will knock you all over the park while you’re trying to do that. |
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Post by alanrg on Feb 11, 2024 12:54:31 GMT
The way the team has played the last 2 matches it seems they have downed tools this reminds me of the Dave Penney era
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Post by Gastafari on Feb 11, 2024 14:19:25 GMT
How motivated would you be at work if the boss kept repeating you were useless? I don't believe they are mentally weak, they just can't cope with the physical nature of the game, which is hardly their fault. To be fair to Taylor, he didn’t say they were useless, or that it was the players’ fault. He just pointed out that they are collectively not able to cope with the more physical teams in this league, which we can all see with our own eyes. Yes, we do have individual players like C Taylor, Finley, Conteh, Martin, etc who are up to it and up for it, but that’s not enough, which is why we keep losing to the teams below us. The fact is that most of the players we currently have were brought in to play tippy-tappy, out from the back, possession-based football; it’s not their fault that half the teams in this league will knock you all over the park while you’re trying to do that. Fair point. Why is it that Portsmouth, Bolton, Derby, Peterborough, Barnsley etc are able to do it? You could argue they've got better players, but then we've took 4 points of Portsmouth, beaten Bolton away, we're the better team at Derby imo, we should of put 4 or 5 past Barnsley back in August. They seem to be able to mix it up, yet they don't really look anything special up against us? Also if the players we have our more suited to 'tippy tappy' possession based Football, surely the manager would recognise this and play to their strengths, until you've had the chance to mould the team into your style. Not the other way round of getting players suited to a certain style to play route one, long ball, kick and rush. No wonder it ain't working. That's what Garner did, but the opposite way round with Coughlans players. |
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Post by mftc on Feb 11, 2024 15:43:55 GMT
To be fair to Taylor, he didn’t say they were useless, or that it was the players’ fault. He just pointed out that they are collectively not able to cope with the more physical teams in this league, which we can all see with our own eyes. Yes, we do have individual players like C Taylor, Finley, Conteh, Martin, etc who are up to it and up for it, but that’s not enough, which is why we keep losing to the teams below us. The fact is that most of the players we currently have were brought in to play tippy-tappy, out from the back, possession-based football; it’s not their fault that half the teams in this league will knock you all over the park while you’re trying to do that. Fair point. Why is it that Portsmouth, Bolton, Derby, Peterborough, Barnsley etc are able to do it? You could argue they've got better players, but then we've took 4 points of Portsmouth, beaten Bolton away, we're the better team at Derby imo, we should of put 4 or 5 past Barnsley back in August. They seem to be able to mix it up, yet they don't really look anything special up against us? Also if the players we have our more suited to 'tippy tappy' possession based Football, surely the manager would recognise this and play to their strengths, until you've had the chance to mould the team into your style. Not the other way round of getting players suited to a certain style to play route one, long ball, kick and rush. No wonder it ain't working. That's what Garner did, but the opposite way round with Coughlans players. Maybe we could play tippy happy football but if certain players at the back don't pass to the midfield it all breaks down. I suspect Friend was meant to do that but what 7 minutes in we play a decent move for Friend to burst down the line and he gets tackled in a 70/30 ball and then he is out of the game. People talk about Gordon, but how many times did he recieve the ball played behind him. Then he looks up and there are only two Rovers players ahead of him, so he had little option other than single handidly beat 3 players or pass it back to someone else who lumped it. To be fair he put in three decent crosses in the first half, one of which we should have scored from. Finley would have been the perfect foil to make himself available to pick the ball up from defence. Aguilera tried but with so little movement in front there was little he could do. Let's hope the treatment table looks a bit better come Carlisle and the bug is eradicated from the squad. I had something recently and to have to run around for 10 minutes let alone 100 would probably sent me to hospital. Definitely could have done with Vale yesterday. |
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Post by gasgas3 on Feb 11, 2024 16:49:44 GMT
Martin's just picked up the L1 player of the month award and you are seriously questioning whether we should keep him next season, as who do you think this shower are going to sign who's any better? Wael's well and truly sold us down the river with this mob, the forthcoming Q&A with them should be more interesting than the last two home games, assuming it still goes ahead. Its incredible how so many people think we can just pick up a 20 goal a season striker just like that! Do we need a striker? Yes, but to play alongside Martin, not replace him. Without his goals we would be as good as down already. We know that our best eleven when everyone is fully fit is a decent mid to top half of the table team. We know that when you take a couple of our better players out we are poor. Now we know when you take a few out we are dreadful! We can only hope that the likes of Taylor, Finley, Grant Ward, a fully fit Vale (playing in the correct position) are back very soon! At least Martin will be back on Tuesday. We don't even look like scoring without him in the team. There are lots of 20 goal a season players out there. We just keep letting them go, or loaning them out because we think we are premier league. Don’t get me started on the coaching, that’s why we are where we are after the absolute garbage that uses the Rovers name on their CV and then move on. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2024 17:00:29 GMT
Its incredible how so many people think we can just pick up a 20 goal a season striker just like that! Do we need a striker? Yes, but to play alongside Martin, not replace him. Without his goals we would be as good as down already. We know that our best eleven when everyone is fully fit is a decent mid to top half of the table team. We know that when you take a couple of our better players out we are poor. Now we know when you take a few out we are dreadful! We can only hope that the likes of Taylor, Finley, Grant Ward, a fully fit Vale (playing in the correct position) are back very soon! At least Martin will be back on Tuesday. We don't even look like scoring without him in the team. There are lots of 20 goal a season players out there. We just keep letting them go, or loaning them out because we think we are premier league. Don’t get me started on the coaching, that’s why we are where we are after the absolute garbage that uses the Rovers name on their CV and then move on. We had one left him stranded on the wing then dropped him and let him go for peanuts. |
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Post by bobbyjones on Feb 11, 2024 18:31:54 GMT
We are not sleep walking we have a head of steam up at the moment.
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Post by gasgas3 on Feb 11, 2024 18:45:51 GMT
We are not sleep walking we have a head of steam up at the moment. Agree but only for this week or next. |
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Post by madgas on Feb 11, 2024 19:18:43 GMT
Hello all. My first post so go easy on me. I think that sometimes things have to be given a bit of perspective. In the times we live in, there is a tendency to be a bit too extreme and serious in our reactions. We are all guilty of it at times and the media coverage has an influence on us all if we are not careful. First and foremost they didn’t play well yesterday and from the sounds of Tuesday it was equally poor, BUT, there is no harm in walking out and thinking they didn’t play well TODAY rather than seeing each defeat as the sign of a crisis. Secondly, there’s no harm in being flexible with our opinions. We don’t need to be in a Barton or Taylor camp and then search for reasons to continuously back up that position. We are all Gas heads and there is no pleasure in reaching an “I told you so” position, better to just keep hoping things improve regardless of the manager. Lastly, it’s obvious they are transitioning to a new period for the team and some players are struggling to accept it and grow in confidence. I don’t think Marquis is a bad player, just not a target man. If he received more balls into feet and been given some actual chances it may have been a different game for him. In addition the continuing injuries is really hampering us, we don’t know how many were playing at 50% fitness yesterday which is obviously going to put us at a disadvantage. I personally prefer a passing game and I think we get more out of Thomas and Evans that way but if we are going more direct, we will have to wait and see what players we get in the summer to support that kind of game. All is not lost and I’m sure we will stay up. Give it time, every manager deserves that. I think in the thirty years I have watched Rovers, we have probably averaged half way up the third division so we are not in a disgraceful position by any means. The win at Exeter was only a week ago so I’m sure they can produce a few more like that to steady the nerves. UTG! I enjoyed this post again. |
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Post by madgas on Feb 11, 2024 19:32:59 GMT
For me Matt Taylor has won me over. But the messaging since September has been confusing.
We sacked Barton because of league return. Regardless of your view on that things haven't picked up. So perhaps as owners you begin to doubt the squad and the investment to date. But during January we sent 4 perms out and got 1 in. Furthermore the positions indicated by the manager as needed were missed.
The window we had felt like one that belonged to Mangan side, not Taylors. So why hire him? I think most fans don't usually expect a promotion to follow in a season where you change your manager... but they do expect change. We're too many months down the line and fans haven't been given enough to believe in.
As I've previously said I don't think that's necessarily Taylors fault.
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Post by gasify on Feb 12, 2024 7:52:38 GMT
There are lots of 20 goal a season players out there. We just keep letting them go, or loaning them out because we think we are premier league. Don’t get me started on the coaching, that’s why we are where we are after the absolute garbage that uses the Rovers name on their CV and then move on. We had one left him stranded on the wing then dropped him and let him go for peanuts. Your mistaken. I'm sure I read on here that we had a lazy player, who couldn't be arsed and had only scored 3 goals this season and assists don't count. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 12, 2024 14:48:13 GMT
Hello all. My first post so go easy on me. I think that sometimes things have to be given a bit of perspective. In the times we live in, there is a tendency to be a bit too extreme and serious in our reactions. We are all guilty of it at times and the media coverage has an influence on us all if we are not careful. First and foremost they didn’t play well yesterday and from the sounds of Tuesday it was equally poor, BUT, there is no harm in walking out and thinking they didn’t play well TODAY rather than seeing each defeat as the sign of a crisis. Secondly, there’s no harm in being flexible with our opinions. We don’t need to be in a Barton or Taylor camp and then search for reasons to continuously back up that position. We are all Gas heads and there is no pleasure in reaching an “I told you so” position, better to just keep hoping things improve regardless of the manager. Lastly, it’s obvious they are transitioning to a new period for the team and some players are struggling to accept it and grow in confidence. I don’t think Marquis is a bad player, just not a target man. If he received more balls into feet and been given some actual chances it may have been a different game for him. In addition the continuing injuries is really hampering us, we don’t know how many were playing at 50% fitness yesterday which is obviously going to put us at a disadvantage. I personally prefer a passing game and I think we get more out of Thomas and Evans that way but if we are going more direct, we will have to wait and see what players we get in the summer to support that kind of game. All is not lost and I’m sure we will stay up. Give it time, every manager deserves that. I think in the thirty years I have watched Rovers, we have probably averaged half way up the third division so we are not in a disgraceful position by any means. The win at Exeter was only a week ago so I’m sure they can produce a few more like that to steady the nerves. UTG! Nice first post and welcome to the pleasure dome. |
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Post by lastminutewinner on Feb 12, 2024 14:54:22 GMT
Hello all. My first post so go easy on me. I think that sometimes things have to be given a bit of perspective. In the times we live in, there is a tendency to be a bit too extreme and serious in our reactions. We are all guilty of it at times and the media coverage has an influence on us all if we are not careful. First and foremost they didn’t play well yesterday and from the sounds of Tuesday it was equally poor, BUT, there is no harm in walking out and thinking they didn’t play well TODAY rather than seeing each defeat as the sign of a crisis. Secondly, there’s no harm in being flexible with our opinions. We don’t need to be in a Barton or Taylor camp and then search for reasons to continuously back up that position. We are all Gas heads and there is no pleasure in reaching an “I told you so” position, better to just keep hoping things improve regardless of the manager. Lastly, it’s obvious they are transitioning to a new period for the team and some players are struggling to accept it and grow in confidence. I don’t think Marquis is a bad player, just not a target man. If he received more balls into feet and been given some actual chances it may have been a different game for him. In addition the continuing injuries is really hampering us, we don’t know how many were playing at 50% fitness yesterday which is obviously going to put us at a disadvantage. I personally prefer a passing game and I think we get more out of Thomas and Evans that way but if we are going more direct, we will have to wait and see what players we get in the summer to support that kind of game. All is not lost and I’m sure we will stay up. Give it time, every manager deserves that. I think in the thirty years I have watched Rovers, we have probably averaged half way up the third division so we are not in a disgraceful position by any means. The win at Exeter was only a week ago so I’m sure they can produce a few more like that to steady the nerves. UTG! Nice first post and welcome to the pleasure dome. I haven't been in one of those since Amsterdam 05 |
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 12, 2024 16:12:24 GMT
We had one left him stranded on the wing then dropped him and let him go for peanuts. Your mistaken. I'm sure I read on here that we had a lazy player, who couldn't be arsed and had only scored 3 goals this season and assists don't count. AC sort of admitted that he'd given up in his last interview and he felt it was time to move on, I doubt keeping AC was the answer to our problems. Although in typical Rovers style we had nobody lined up to replace him. |
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Post by nsblue on Feb 12, 2024 17:25:13 GMT
We’d need to be comatose to reach league 2
Based on last 2 seasons, we need 6 points from 15 games, ideally 9 or 10 to be totally sure.
The problem with 2 poor home defeats is that the majority of fans will have witnessed the matches, 2 poor away defeats never seem to garnish such a response.
Not that I am suggesting the 2 performances we’ve seen this week are acceptable home or away.
I’m sure Rovers will put us through the mill, but I am confident we will survive comfortably.
It would be nice that they give us a season in League one where we end the season excited rather than anxious - is it too much to ask?
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Post by bobbyjones on Feb 12, 2024 18:24:53 GMT
We’d need to be comatose to reach league 2 Based on last 2 seasons, we need 6 points from 15 games, ideally 9 or 10 to be totally sure. The problem with 2 poor home defeats is that the majority of fans will have witnessed the matches, 2 poor away defeats never seem to garnish such a response. Not that I am suggesting the 2 performances we’ve seen this week are acceptable home or away. I’m sure Rovers will put us through the mill, but I am confident we will survive comfortably. It would be nice that they give us a season in League one where we end the season excited rather than anxious - is it too much to ask? Yes |
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Post by gasify on Feb 12, 2024 20:06:26 GMT
Your mistaken. I'm sure I read on here that we had a lazy player, who couldn't be arsed and had only scored 3 goals this season and assists don't count. AC sort of admitted that he'd given up in his last interview and he felt it was time to move on, I doubt keeping AC was the answer to our problems. Although in typical Rovers style we had nobody lined up to replace him. Can you post a link to that interview? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 12, 2024 20:26:04 GMT
AC sort of admitted that he'd given up in his last interview and he felt it was time to move on, I doubt keeping AC was the answer to our problems. Although in typical Rovers style we had nobody lined up to replace him. Can you post a link to that interview? Just read the owners letter which confirms "Aaron Collins' departure was mutually agreed upon – both he and the club felt it was the right time to move on" |
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