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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 18, 2024 9:04:50 GMT
Only a real madman would spend money travelling to watch them, when you can just sit at home and watch them underperform on iFollow.
Regardless yesterday's team is clearly far removed from JB's starting 11 and even the manager managed to do a JB and get himself banished to the stands.
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Post by yattongas on Feb 18, 2024 9:06:13 GMT
It’s going to be some rebuild in the summer if we’re going to assemble a promotion chasing squad. As Taylor said it’ll take a few windows , so we’re probably looking at ditching 5 players and replacing them.
The 5 to go for me would be J Grant , Gordon ,Marquis, Sinclair & Connolly.
Hopefully next season we’re not so reliant on loanee’s in the side 2 or 3 max in the starting eleven.
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Post by bluegas on Feb 18, 2024 9:12:27 GMT
Only a real madman would spend money travelling to watch them, when you can just sit at home and watch them underperform on iFollow. Regardless yesterday's team is clearly far removed from JB's starting 11 and even the manager managed to do a JB and get himself banished to the stands. Um, er, I went yesterday. 😂😅 But I take your point. Still, I enjoyed the journey and chatting with my buddy. Even enjoyed parts of the game! |
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Post by tbonegas on Feb 18, 2024 9:13:59 GMT
The business with Vale yesterday just highlights the problem with loan players.
Because is a loan player the parent club has the right to tell the other club when, and for how long, that player can stay on the pitch.
Not a good situation as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by bluegas on Feb 18, 2024 9:14:37 GMT
On the assumption that Carlisle are heading for League two, and got thumped yesterday, wonder what the odds are that we’re two down by half time?? 🤔 Hmm.... better look at putting a few quid on Carlisle. |
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Post by supergas on Feb 18, 2024 9:17:28 GMT
Not sure if anyone else answered this yet, it was Northampton at home in October. Since then he's started 9 League games and we have W0 D1 L8...and not much of a better record over the same period when he comes off the bench - W3 D1 L1 (but for two of the wins he came on in the 89th min so effectively W1 D1 L1...) Being fair to him, up to and including Northampton at home in October as a starter he was P7 W3 D1 L3 and P6 W2 D3 L1 from the bench. To be fair to Grant he always seems to be used as a stop gap when we desperate, either at CB, DCM or LB, perhaps he just needs to man up and tell MT he's only going to play in his favoured position, whatever that is now? Assuming he leaves in the summer then it'll be interesting to see if he can rediscover his form elsewhere. I have a bit of sympathy for him for those positional changes - but he's a professional footballer and the difference between those positions isn't massive. More likely a mental issue over the lack of a consistent role, but there are plenty of players at this level who can play multiple positions well. He might move to a lower-level team and make his preferred position his own, and fair play to him if he does. |
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Post by hollyhillgas on Feb 18, 2024 9:18:21 GMT
I wonder why Beefy doesn't start? He was coping well with teams like Burton, Fleetwood and Northampton at Morecombe.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 18, 2024 9:22:20 GMT
The business with Vale yesterday just highlights the problem with loan players. Because is a loan player the parent club has the right to tell the other club when, and for how long, that player can stay on the pitch. Not a good situation as far as I'm concerned. Our own equivalent player, Lawrence, sat on the bench for the whole game? |
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Post by tbonegas on Feb 18, 2024 9:23:12 GMT
The business with Vale yesterday just highlights the problem with loan players. Because is a loan player the parent club has the right to tell the other club when, and for how long, that player can stay on the pitch. Not a good situation as far as I'm concerned. Our own equivalent player, Lawrence, sat on the bench for the whole game? Precisely. |
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Post by gashead79 on Feb 18, 2024 9:23:31 GMT
If referencing black players is derogatory, then we've got a long way to go in the English game. It is refreshing to see that there's a growing trend of acceptance to losing games though. I am looking forwards to our match reports in future listing the missing players from our opponents squads. If they are down on key players we should probably temper the celebrations somewhat, out of courtesy n sh**. Eh ? I’ve read this three times and still got no idea what you’re waffling on about. We're not the only team with injuries yet that seems to be the accepted excuse for our poor performances. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 18, 2024 9:25:22 GMT
I wonder why Beefy doesn't start? He was coping well with teams like Burton, Fleetwood and Northampton at Morecombe. He had a shocker with Blackpool and MT's never started him since, Crama was as bad yesterday as he was good on Tuesday. El Kan the reverse, the inconsistentances between games is ridiculous. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Feb 18, 2024 9:44:12 GMT
Only a real madman would spend money travelling to watch them, when you can just sit at home and watch them underperform on iFollow. Regardless yesterday's team is clearly far removed from JB's starting 11 and even the manager managed to do a JB and get himself banished to the stands. This post appears to be completely out of touch with the ergonomics of what contributes to an amazing away day or weekend. Plus, some people travel less for an away match than home! |
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Post by clockendgas on Feb 18, 2024 9:49:51 GMT
On the assumption that Carlisle are heading for League two, and got thumped yesterday, wonder what the odds are that we’re two down by half time?? 🤔 Hmm.... better look at putting a few quid on Carlisle. Bookies offering 4/1 on a Carlisle win, can't imagine how toxic the atmosphere will be if that happens,biggest game of the season for me so far,a win is definitely needed. |
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Post by Gastafari on Feb 18, 2024 9:51:20 GMT
Footballers live in a different world than the rest of us, although we don't have to worry every summer, or at least every other summer, if we still going to have a job. It's really down to the manager to get them to play for him, MT seems to have lost the ability to do it, baffling why as you assume most would appreciate somebody rational in charge than seemingly loose cannon JB. It seems only fans are using the excuse we had a weakened side MT said it was down to our inability to compete. THEY ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH and JB was sacked because he picked them all. Grant, Gordon, Brown…..Francis, Trollope, Clarke, none of them could have won us the game yesterday with those 3 playing and I haven’t even mentioned Crama and Wilson together! People say, strange subs, or he got the side wrong at the start at Stevenage so yesterday we carried on where we left Tuesday night with four at the back. Yesterday was the same as Tuesday night, he shuffles the pack again and we come back into it and at 2–1, we look like we can get an equaliser, and guess what happens again, we switch off and let in a third goal. The squad JB took us down with, loads of them went Div2 and non league, this lot will be the same, it’s full of mediocre crap ans only a mad man would say it’s the best squad ever! A lot of this squad are good enough imo. It's not just about being good enough, a lot of it is to do with character, attitude, application and also team spirit and commaradary all of those are majorly important. Matt Cox is an England U21 Goalkeeper, Harvey Vale has won tournaments at youth level. They're clearly talented players. last season we had Lewis Gibson, Bobby Thomas and Jarrel Quansah. Quansah is in Liverpools 1st team, and the other 2 are playing well in The Championship. Again clearly good enough but even they looked out of their depth at times playing for us. The likes of Josh Grant, Lewis Gordon, Crama as well as Cox and Vale are all from Premier League academy's who have been very highly thought of at a young age. For whatever reason as a collective they look like a bunch of no hopers when they put on a Rovers shirt. |
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Post by yattongas on Feb 18, 2024 9:55:13 GMT
Eh ? I’ve read this three times and still got no idea what you’re waffling on about. We're not the only team with injuries yet that seems to be the accepted excuse for our poor performances. That makes more sense. |
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Post by trevorgas on Feb 18, 2024 9:55:43 GMT
It’s going to be some rebuild in the summer if we’re going to assemble a promotion chasing squad. As Taylor said it’ll take a few windows , so we’re probably looking at ditching 5 players and replacing them. The 5 to go for me would be J Grant , Gordon ,Marquis, Sinclair & Connolly. Hopefully next season we’re not so reliant on loanee’s in the side 2 or 3 max in the starting eleven. I think we will see more than 5 go,Wilson has to move on ,he looks lethargic and not really up for it,having a spat with fans also polarises positions within the team I am concerned that Taylor is out for so long with "fluid" on his knee which can be a sign of an underlying problem,I wouldn't be surprised if he is out for the rest of the season. |
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Post by playtowin on Feb 18, 2024 10:05:11 GMT
The excuse: There were a lot of squad players having to step up due to injuries and suspensions. There were players playing out of position, then theres JG having to play another role.All true.
The issues.
1) Discipline.
We have had 4 red cards since MT took over. Thats crazy.
Though the manager has to sit in the stand after collecting 6 yellow cards himself. That is not a good example. I thought Barton was supposed to be the badboy (?!)
2) Those defenders who are experienced and playing in their normal positions are playing poorly.Wilson and Hunt have been nowhere defensively for many of the goals and goal attempts. Yesterday really highlighted that.Hunt is fine bombing forward and crossing his defensive positional play is awful. Its also now obvious it was Taylor making Wilson look better not the other way around in the back line.Being charitable you might say they are wandering trying to help others and so neglecting their true roles.
3) who are all these players that are not good enough ?
Martin ? Thomas ? Evans ? Vale ? Finley ? Jed ? Taylor ? Conteh ? G ward ?
Which of these (if fit/unsuspended) would you choose to not be in the starting line up ?
Which of these wouldnt make the matchday squad ? Or whole squad ?
Hunt ? Hoole ? Crama ? Baggot ? Wilson ? Grant ? Cox ? Hall ? Lawrence ? Aguilera ? Gordon ? Marquis ? Sinclair ? Connelly ? Vaughan ? Brown ? Friend ?
4) why cant a coaching setup heavily defender loaded coach the team to be able to keep clean sheets ?
5) if the problems have been there a long time why were they not addressed in the window ?
Were woods and Bogarde defensively worse than Vaughan and Aguilera ?
6) Poor decisions have and are being made .
It was a cheap blow blaming fans the other day. Thats bigger scapegoating than even Barton came out with.
Just my opinion but MT needs to work on discipline, keeping shape and everyone taking responsibility for their duties.
The last ten league games have been relegation form ,under a point a game.
Thats simply not good enough.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2024 10:24:10 GMT
Hmm.... better look at putting a few quid on Carlisle. Bookies offering 4/1 on a Carlisle win, can't imagine how toxic the atmosphere will be if that happens,biggest game of the season for me so far,a win is definitely needed. need three wins from somewhere. This one has to be the banker for us. Fail and mediocrity will be something we can only aspire too |
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 18, 2024 10:29:44 GMT
Eh ? I’ve read this three times and still got no idea what you’re waffling on about. We're not the only team with injuries yet that seems to be the accepted excuse for our poor performances. I guess it's better to accept that than accept the players won't play for the manager, having got the last one sacked? It seems a recurring problem at Rovers as they got DC sacked, then BG, failed to even play for PT, then gave up under JB. Probably only EA spurred them on to get promotion as the same players gave up again last season. Probably the only manager they only gave 100% for was GC and we seemed to do little to stop him walking. |
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Post by gashead79 on Feb 18, 2024 10:40:22 GMT
We're not the only team with injuries yet that seems to be the accepted excuse for our poor performances. I guess it's better to accept that than accept the players won't play for the manager, having got the last one sacked? It seems a recurring problem at Rovers as they got DC sacked, then BG, failed to even play for PT, then gave up under JB. Probably only EA spurred them on to get promotion as the same players gave up again last season. Probably the only manager they only gave 100% for was GC and we seemed to do little to stop him walking. So which is it? JB sacked for having a top 8 budget and underachieving? JB sacked because the players stopped playing for him? JB sacked for being "a special ladygarden"? Injuries are just part and parcel of football. I stand by my old comments regarding some injuries though, in that sometimes players cry off. JB walked but they made out he was sacked. We were doing OK and he knows more about the game than our owners and likely told them straight too. He doesn't exactly need the money. MT is holding a poisoned chalice if we are cutting spend whilst having lofty ambitions. It rarely works out well. Our manager and players are underperforming professionals. There's plenty of room to improve but lots of things are wrong in all departments. If the staff can't cook a pasty or wipe mould off the walls, what hope have we got of instructing the players to defend a playground corner routine. |
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