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Post by woolavingtonpirate on Feb 18, 2024 11:02:18 GMT
Every team has injuries, but for us they aren't spread across the squad. In the last two years we've had a spell when we haven't had one fit striker, then we had a spell when we haven't had one fit defender in the squad and now we have no midfielders available? Is it any real surprise that we lose every game when we have these spells? It's a professional game (even though the standard is going backwards) and you can't afford to carry anyone. The only thing you can blame is recruitment and some bad luck.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 18, 2024 11:10:05 GMT
Every team has injuries, but for us they aren't spread across the squad. In the last two years we've had a spell when we haven't had one fit striker, then we had a spell when we haven't had one fit defender in the squad and now we have no midfielders available? Is it any real surprise that we lose every game when we have these spells? It's a professional game (even though the standard is going backwards) and you can't afford to carry anyone. The only thing you can blame is recruitment and some bad luck. If it's down to recruitment how have we managed to beat Pompey, Bolton and even Stevenage this week? It seems motivation is the real issue, unfortunately for us the new owners and manager seem to have less motivational skills than the previous ones. |
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Post by woolavingtonpirate on Feb 18, 2024 11:18:26 GMT
Every team has injuries, but for us they aren't spread across the squad. In the last two years we've had a spell when we haven't had one fit striker, then we had a spell when we haven't had one fit defender in the squad and now we have no midfielders available? Is it any real surprise that we lose every game when we have these spells? It's a professional game (even though the standard is going backwards) and you can't afford to carry anyone. The only thing you can blame is recruitment and some bad luck. If it's down to recruitment how have we managed to beat Pompey, Bolton and even Stevenage this week? It seems motivation is the real issue, unfortunately for us the new owners and manager seem to have less motivational skills than the previous ones. Easy answer really, because we were able to field a strong team in each game. Field the same team as we did in the pompey, Bolton and stevenage wins and we would beat Northampton as well. We were missing Evans, Taylor, Finley, Conteh, Mccormick.... yesterday. I fully expect us to lose to Carlisle if we can't get at least one midfielder back. You can't expect anything other than defeat without a central midfield! It's the spine of the team. |
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Post by justin blue on Feb 18, 2024 11:40:21 GMT
Yesterday was poor, but not the worst I’ve seen by a long way, it is just disappointing nothing more. Two mid table sides with equally depleted squads it was never going to be a great spectacle. We know from some bitter experience Northampton is never an easy place to come. To be fair they have some decent support and make a fair bit of noise which added to our great turnout at least gave the occasion an enjoyable atmosphere.
Once again we didn’t turn up for the first five minutes and Northampton took advantage we huffed and puffed for another thirty five or so minutes before conceding another sloppy goal although to be fair on balance of play Northampton deserved their lead.
Second half we started brighter ,were the better side and eventually got one back. Then just as it looked like we might get something out of the game Bang an absolute belter of a goal and it’s all over. Back to the coach for a brief discussion about what we all think it went wrong before a subdued sleepy ride home.
When alls said and done there’s nothing better than a trip away with a load of gasheads and of course a result makes it all the sweeter, but a great day out all the same.
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Post by dudelebowski on Feb 18, 2024 11:42:42 GMT
Yesterday was poor, but not the worst I’ve seen by a long way, it is just disappointing nothing more. Two mid table sides with equally depleted squads it was never going to be a great spectacle. We know from some bitter experience Northampton is never an easy place to come. To be fair they have some decent support and make a fair bit of noise which added to our great turnout at least gave the occasion an enjoyable atmosphere. Once again we didn’t turn up for the first five minutes and Northampton took advantage we huffed and puffed for another thirty five or so minutes before conceding another sloppy goal although to be fair on balance of play Northampton deserved their lead. Second half we started brighter ,were the better side and eventually got one back. Then just as it looked like we might get something out of the game Bang an absolute belter of a goal and it’s all over. Back to the coach for a brief discussion about what we all think it went wrong before a subdued sleepy ride home. When alls said and done there’s nothing better than a trip away with a load of gasheads and of course a result makes it all the sweeter, but a great day out all the same. Perfectly put, exactly as I saw it. |
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Post by popuppirate on Feb 18, 2024 12:42:08 GMT
Grant and Gordon in the same team means we started off with a double handicap. Has anyone ever seen Gordon pass FORWARD?? I thought it was his cross which led to our goal? Not really sure Gordon has done a lot wrong over the last couple of games, I can't recall any of the 5 goals we've conceded being down to him, plus he was denied a stone wall penalty today. It was Brown who crossed it, a fantastic ball, but Gordon fed Brown with a good turn and through ball |
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Post by gasify on Feb 18, 2024 13:32:14 GMT
I guess it's better to accept that than accept the players won't play for the manager, having got the last one sacked? It seems a recurring problem at Rovers as they got DC sacked, then BG, failed to even play for PT, then gave up under JB. Probably only EA spurred them on to get promotion as the same players gave up again last season. Probably the only manager they only gave 100% for was GC and we seemed to do little to stop him walking.
JB sacked for having a top 8 budget and underachieving?
JB sacked because the players stopped playing for him?
JB sacked for being "a special ladygarden"?Injuries are just part and parcel of football. I stand by my old comments regarding some injuries though, in that sometimes players cry off. JB walked but they made out he was sacked. We were doing OK and he knows more about the game than our owners and likely told them straight too. He doesn't exactly need the money. MT is holding a poisoned chalice if we are cutting spend whilst having lofty ambitions. It rarely works out well. Our manager and players are underperforming professionals. There's plenty of room to improve but lots of things are wrong in all departments. If the staff can't cook a pasty or wipe mould off the walls, what hope have we got of instructing the players to defend a playground corner routine. My guess is all of the above. Each of those three don't need to be mutually exclusive. "We were doing OK" No we weren't. We were sh** then in the same way as we are sh** now. The only difference is that JB chose the players and MT has inherited them. What was JB win rate or points per game? "JB walked but they made out he was sacked." Don't believe that for a second. JB's ego wouldn't allow him to stay quiet over that kind of thing. "He doesn't exactly need the money" Again, don't believe this for a second. Otherwise he wouldn't be doing the things that he has been doing since us. He is trying to make money. |
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Post by gasify on Feb 18, 2024 13:38:21 GMT
Every team has injuries, but for us they aren't spread across the squad. In the last two years we've had a spell when we haven't had one fit striker, then we had a spell when we haven't had one fit defender in the squad and now we have no midfielders available? Is it any real surprise that we lose every game when we have these spells? It's a professional game (even though the standard is going backwards) and you can't afford to carry anyone. The only thing you can blame is recruitment and some bad luck. If it's down to recruitment how have we managed to beat Pompey, Bolton and even Stevenage this week? It seems motivation is the real issue, unfortunately for us the new owners and manager seem to have less motivational skills than the previous ones. Oh my. You do make me laugh. You do realise that each and every one of those wins was with the "manager with less motivational skills than the previous ones" You really do need to take a step back and think about things before posting. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 18, 2024 13:50:23 GMT
If it's down to recruitment how have we managed to beat Pompey, Bolton and even Stevenage this week? It seems motivation is the real issue, unfortunately for us the new owners and manager seem to have less motivational skills than the previous ones. Oh my. You do make me laugh. You do realise that each and every one of those wins was with the "manager with less motivational skills than the previous ones" You really do need to take a step back and think about things before posting. The point you failed to grasp is the players turned up for those games against top 6 sides but failed to do so against lesser teams, there's clearly an issue with motivation and now MT is suggesting that the players won't even run for him. |
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Post by gasify on Feb 18, 2024 14:06:03 GMT
Oh my. You do make me laugh. You do realise that each and every one of those wins was with the "manager with less motivational skills than the previous ones" You really do need to take a step back and think about things before posting. The point you failed to grasp is the players turned up for those games against top 6 sides but failed to do so against lesser teams, there's clearly an issue with motivation and now MT is suggesting that the players won't even run for him. You can hardly say that the players turned up for the Stevenage game. If they did, we wouldn't have been 2-0 down. What you can say is that things changed during the game. There was a strategic change in the first half (credit to MT for not being scared of making such an early change and pretty much admitting that he got it wrong). There was a definate change in the players attitude in the 2nd half. I put that down to the half time team talk/hair dryer/rocket put up them. They seem to be motivated in the 2nd half. There is a narrative that people are trying to paint about MT being useless, especially being compared to saint JB. I can't work out if you truly believe that MT is useless or whether you are just being contrary for the sake of it. For the record, I am fully behind MT. In another thread, best Rovers managers are mentioned. Top manager for a lot of people is Gerry Francis. His approach was always "If we don't concede then we only have to score one goal to take the points". I think that is MT approach, he is just being let down by the defence in the last couple of games and yesterday by the lack of any recognised defensive midfielders. Let's give him the summer and the next January window to see what he does. It could be that we have the attacking might already at the club and we just need to stop conceding. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 18, 2024 14:08:14 GMT
If it's down to recruitment how have we managed to beat Pompey, Bolton and even Stevenage this week? It seems motivation is the real issue, unfortunately for us the new owners and manager seem to have less motivational skills than the previous ones. Easy answer really, because we were able to field a strong team in each game. Field the same team as we did in the pompey, Bolton and stevenage wins and we would beat Northampton as well. We were missing Evans, Taylor, Finley, Conteh, Mccormick.... yesterday. I fully expect us to lose to Carlisle if we can't get at least one midfielder back. You can't expect anything other than defeat without a central midfield! It's the spine of the team. We've put similar teams out v Fleetwood and Burton and also in numerous away games, we even managed a Jekyll & Hyde performance at Stevenage. |
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 18, 2024 14:13:50 GMT
Whilst there is still a meltdown of sorts after this loss, at least quite a few people accept the circumstances that we find ourselves in. I've always said that our best elven (when everybody is available) is a decent top half of the table team. Take a couple out and we are poor. Take lots out and we are very poor!
I think it was seven central midfield players who were missing yesterday! Makes Tuesday nights win even more important. According to MT it doesn't look like any of the injured players will be back next weekend. Hopefully Vale will be able to play a full ninety minutes and Conteh will be back though. Not sure if I want to be playing the team bottom of the league who are in dreadful form next week! Rumours of them sacking their manager as well doesn't help! Even with so many of our players out, go one down next weekend and it'll be toxic in the stands. Exactly. Ward, Finley, Taylor have been out for some time. Add Martin for his missed match and Conteh. Then just add into the mix the indecision with the keeper situation this season. We’ve done well to be 12th. Give MT time and some support with recruitment then we can judge. Perhaps too many rumours about the size of the budget at the beginning giving unreal expectations. Whatever we are an average League 1 team who, when we have our A team, can beat the top teams as well. UTG! |
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 18, 2024 14:47:00 GMT
Only a real madman would spend money travelling to watch them, when you can just sit at home and watch them underperform on iFollow. Regardless yesterday's team is clearly far removed from JB's starting 11 and even the manager managed to do a JB and get himself banished to the stands. Um, er, I went yesterday. 😂😅 But I take your point. Still, I enjoyed the journey and chatting with my buddy. Even enjoyed parts of the game! 👍👍👍 And that’s it isn’t it? If we have spent a lifetime travelling to away matches, or even as I do now only 3/4 away games a season, I still enjoy the day out. I guess if I wanted to see a winning team all the time I’d be supporting one of the top ones. Blimey, we’re BRFC not …….. Of course some periods in our history are probably better than others but I guess it’s the bad results that make the really good days so special. Respect to you and those that made the journey yesterday. UTG! |
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Post by woolavingtonpirate on Feb 18, 2024 16:03:11 GMT
Easy answer really, because we were able to field a strong team in each game. Field the same team as we did in the pompey, Bolton and stevenage wins and we would beat Northampton as well. We were missing Evans, Taylor, Finley, Conteh, Mccormick.... yesterday. I fully expect us to lose to Carlisle if we can't get at least one midfielder back. You can't expect anything other than defeat without a central midfield! It's the spine of the team. We've put similar teams out v Fleetwood and Burton and also in numerous away games, we even managed a Jekyll & Hyde performance at Stevenage. I predicted a defeat in each of those games as we were under strength. We were carrying too many players who aren't up to it. Especially playing against Burton without Martin. If we don't get any of our midfielders back against Carlisle, I'm predicting another loss. It really is a simple as that. |
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Post by joefrankie on Feb 18, 2024 16:58:08 GMT
There’s a lot of crap being talked on here as well as all the unhinged on FB. The squad is stretched to its limited with a chronic injury crisis, yet the reason we lost today is because this player or that player is sh**, some even ridiculously claiming they could play against them, ever played against a pro or even semi pro? Then the totally imbalanced and clueless are judging MT to be crap, well with all those players out just what are you expecting him to do? Pull rabbits from a hat? Clueless, embarrassing. I think you’re taking me too literally, mate. Clearly I couldn’t play against Gordon at my age. I was making the point that his one footedness makes him very easy to defend against. For what it’s worth, I think getting Matt Taylor was a bit of a coup. But he needs time and a couple of windows to produce his own team. What people forget, is that if everything in the garden had been rosy, the previous manager wouldn’t have been sacked. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 18, 2024 18:14:57 GMT
We've put similar teams out v Fleetwood and Burton and also in numerous away games, we even managed a Jekyll & Hyde performance at Stevenage. I predicted a defeat in each of those games as we were under strength. We were carrying too many players who aren't up to it. Especially playing against Burton without Martin. If we don't get any of our midfielders back against Carlisle, I'm predicting another loss. It really is a simple as that. Carlisle have lost 6(?) on the bounce and got hammered at home by Cambridge yesterday, if we lose to them with Conteh and AN Other I midfield next week, MT has serious issues to resolve, assuming he can survive such a loss at the Mem. |
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Post by stapletongas on Feb 18, 2024 18:26:29 GMT
There’s a lot of crap being talked on here as well as all the unhinged on FB. The squad is stretched to its limited with a chronic injury crisis, yet the reason we lost today is because this player or that player is sh**, some even ridiculously claiming they could play against them, ever played against a pro or even semi pro? Then the totally imbalanced and clueless are judging MT to be crap, well with all those players out just what are you expecting him to do? Pull rabbits from a hat? Clueless, embarrassing. I think you’re taking me too literally, mate. Clearly I couldn’t play against Gordon at my age. I was making the point that his one footedness makes him very easy to defend against. For what it’s worth, I think getting Matt Taylor was a bit of a coup. But he needs time and a couple of windows to produce his own team. What people forget, is that if everything in the garden had been rosy, the previous manager wouldn’t have been sacked. Mate? Never met you |
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Post by dudelebowski on Feb 18, 2024 18:31:05 GMT
I predicted a defeat in each of those games as we were under strength. We were carrying too many players who aren't up to it. Especially playing against Burton without Martin. If we don't get any of our midfielders back against Carlisle, I'm predicting another loss. It really is a simple as that. Carlisle have lost 6(?) on the bounce and got hammered at home by Cambridge yesterday, if we lose to them with Conteh and AN Other I midfield next week, MT has serious issues to resolve, assuming he can survive such a loss at the Mem. Seven consecutive losses🫣 |
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Post by gashead79 on Feb 18, 2024 18:46:50 GMT
I predicted a defeat in each of those games as we were under strength. We were carrying too many players who aren't up to it. Especially playing against Burton without Martin. If we don't get any of our midfielders back against Carlisle, I'm predicting another loss. It really is a simple as that. Carlisle have lost 6(?) on the bounce and got hammered at home by Cambridge yesterday, if we lose to them with Conteh and AN Other I midfield next week, MT has serious issues to resolve, assuming he can survive such a loss at the Mem. We will lose. He can survive. He needs a preseason before judgement on the team performance. However I'm judging him already on his ability to get the best out of what he's got, and it isn't going well. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2024 19:01:11 GMT
Again its the tactics from the beginning that did us. The team talk as they go out must put them into a state of hypnosis as they enter the field of play.
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