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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2024 9:07:04 GMT
Go on there forum, loads saying he should not have been sacked But a lot say MT was out of his depth as well and it might be the case now with us, only time will tell and I’m saying, let’s just give him his first proper window based on Conteh, Baggott and Aquilera (can’t spell!) The club BTW are trying to cancel the Veto finance deals, no one at the club wants them, managers and his team either. It's hardly a surprise we don't need MPV's to transfer players around but I doubt that's the owners biggest financial worry. What's that recent tweet about them still owing £75,000 for arranging a loan/grant for the new stand all about? The new owners have not paid for the maintenance and servicing of the Veto’s, 6 months overdue, likely to go to court. They were used for the management team, some players got lifts in them. Jack Marriott, was on £800 a month relocation package at Fleetwood, took it and commuted from Northampton still every week, no one they are in trouble, he refused to move to Lancashire. When people say oh I hear he’s on £4K a week, they have no idea what makes up a contract, Finley and all of them will have relocation allowances. |
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Post by nickchippenhamgas on Mar 17, 2024 9:13:28 GMT
I think we can now say the squad was never as good as we all believed it was in august (including me)
We must give MT time in the summer and to see his squad perform in the first few weeks.
The management must also get to the bottom of the injuries at the club, this has been going on for 3 seasons now where the first half of the season is marred with a full team of injured players, there must be something we are doing? It doesn’t matter who the manager is you can’t get a settled team or spirit in the team when we have at least 3 or 4 senior players out with strains and tears from training ground matches.
I always knew Lincoln would spank us, they’re the form team, we are under strength all over the park, and for me the season was essentially over in August as a promotion potential season with the JCH debacle.
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Post by CheshireGas on Mar 17, 2024 9:14:00 GMT
From his interview -
Asked if he thought some of his players had mentally checked out, Taylor confessed: "I'll be asking that question. I can see what they [supporters] can see.
"Let's be honest, it's a constant battle to get them to where they need to be in terms of being up for a game. That's a damning statement of where some of them are but some of their situations are out of my control. I've inherited it and it's always difficult when you come in mid-season and there's a big expected turnover at the end of the season but has anyone done themselves any favours?
"The biggest slap today is the result and the scoreline and the embarassment of that and there is also the bigger picture where decisions have to be made and those decisions can become easier as opposed to harder. It's a real shame and the supporters are right to ask that question."
The 42-year-old has repeatedly stated that there's still so much left to play for this season, regardless of what supporters may think, but strong words and home truths were declared by the Gas boss, who added: "How many games have we got left? Eight games of football still. Our supporters have come a long way and spent a lot of money in relation to today.
Taylor admitted when asked if the upcoming break is a positive or a negative. "They might need a bit of time away from myself. I certainly need a bit of time away from them
Reading between the lines, I think some stuff was said off the record to the journos. I like the fact he doesn't slag off individuals like B*****, but it is obvious some players aren't being professional in attitude. Perhaps that is where the fans ought to be looking..... His statement shows he recognises what a lot of the supporters see and why they are so frustrated!
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Post by gingerandwhitegas on Mar 17, 2024 9:19:44 GMT
I see a tough season next year under Taylor and it is a worry 😟 I see a super successful season next year under Taylor and it is not a worry but a feeling of calm. But this is it , polar opposite posts , yet the proof will be in the pudding as none of us have a crystal ball!
More than likely the overhaul will now be bigger than previously thought , certainly judging from yesterday and what MT is saying.
All this leads me to believe the promotion bus season may be later than first thought.
MT still has my backing , but not sure he could motivate a Lamborghini , very dour and uninspiring pre matches...lets see next season.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2024 9:22:36 GMT
I just hope we are ruthless in the summer …
Get rid of EVERYONE who is not part of the Managers thinking , are far too injury prone and those who are the bad apples.
I think the Scouse Gang will be a lot lighter in numbers for sure…I sense that is where a large amount of the discontent originates.
If it means a rebuild so be it … I want to see players that give everything for the cause.
I can’t remember the list but not sure there are any out of contracts that I would look to keep … in addition there are a good few who have a year left who I would also try to move on.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 17, 2024 9:42:47 GMT
MT keeps changing his pack of cards, whether by choice or due to injury or suspensions, but the results are the same, is there really that many players not motivated, or is he just coming up with excuses to cover his own failings? What happened to the excuse he used last week when he said we struggled with playing Saturday & Tuesday and we also had two lengthy coach journeys this week to contend with? Lincoln have shown what they can do with a change of manager, we seem to have gone totally the opposite way. Was MT the totally wrong fit for this group of players? Because many are constantly injured,some don't appear to care and there seems to be a culture of I will do what I want,needs a clear out pdq!! But it's got to be an issue with "management" or these players wouldn't have reached the level they have in the first place, clearly for whatever reasons Lincoln players bought into their new managers ideas ours don't seem that interested. |
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Post by peterhooper57 on Mar 17, 2024 9:47:05 GMT
We've got our Rovers back, really, after yesterdays performance, I would hope monotone Matty is in rented accommodation; he talks alot about how to defend, was he not the centre back and captain of Cheltenham Town (2014/ 2015 season) when they got relegated into the National League ? hmm.
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Post by returngas on Mar 17, 2024 9:54:23 GMT
I just hope we are ruthless in the summer … Get rid of EVERYONE who is not part of the Managers thinking , are far too injury prone and those who are the bad apples. I think the Scouse Gang will be a lot lighter in numbers for sure…I sense that is where a large amount of the discontent originates. If it means a rebuild so be it … I want to see players that give everything for the cause. I can’t remember the list but not sure there are any out of contracts that I would look to keep … in addition there are a good few who have a year left who I would also try to move on. In my experience scousers are world beaters at moaning. OK not all scousers but certainly a regional trait and once they see themselves as victims they stick together and moan as one. Where I worked had a Liverpool branch and they thought the world was against them no matter how much you bent over backwards to please them. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 17, 2024 9:57:02 GMT
You can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink, picking up the oppositions club captain at a corner can't really need that much coaching, I think even I could do that as he's the one wearing an armband!
Anyway I thought KB was the defensive coach?
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 17, 2024 9:57:32 GMT
Because many are constantly injured,some don't appear to care and there seems to be a culture of I will do what I want,needs a clear out pdq!! But it's got to be an issue with "management" or these players wouldn't have reached the level they have in the first place, clearly for whatever reasons Lincoln players bought into their new managers ideas ours don't seem that interested. Ok,it takes years to turn a poor culture into a good one,we don't have that time,so if there is a player culture of doing what you want it's impossible for a new manager to resolve that ,hence the need for clear outs and removal of malign influences. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2024 9:58:21 GMT
Because many are constantly injured,some don't appear to care and there seems to be a culture of I will do what I want,needs a clear out pdq!! But it's got to be an issue with "management" or these players wouldn't have reached the level they have in the first place, clearly for whatever reasons Lincoln players bought into their new managers ideas ours don't seem that interested. like cheltenham who at one stage seemed to be destined as the worst team ever to grace div 1. Clarke has galvanised a squad of players whose confidence was shot.sometimes you don't need total upheaval of a squad to get it right. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 17, 2024 10:03:59 GMT
But it's got to be an issue with "management" or these players wouldn't have reached the level they have in the first place, clearly for whatever reasons Lincoln players bought into their new managers ideas ours don't seem that interested. Ok,it takes years to turn a poor culture into a good one,we don't have that time,so if there is a player culture of doing what you want it's impossible for a new manager to resolve that ,hence the need for clear outs and removal of malign influences. Have you any real evidence of a poor culture, players not giving 100% doesn't mean a poor culture it just means they don't like the manager. Looking at the highlights it seems Conteh is at fault for the first goal and Conner Taylor for most of the others, so MT is clearly taking nonsense about making players train away from the main squad. |
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Post by stuartcampbell on Mar 17, 2024 10:17:24 GMT
I think we can now say the squad was never as good as we all believed it was in august (including me) We must give MT time in the summer and to see his squad perform in the first few weeks. The management must also get to the bottom of the injuries at the club, this has been going on for 3 seasons now where the first half of the season is marred with a full team of injured players, there must be something we are doing? It doesn’t matter who the manager is you can’t get a settled team or spirit in the team when we have at least 3 or 4 senior players out with strains and tears from training ground matches. I always knew Lincoln would spank us, they’re the form team, we are under strength all over the park, and for me the season was essentially over in August as a promotion potential season with the JCH debacle. Maybe it's just me but for the past 5-10 years I've just usually gone through the "if we finish above where we finished last year, I'll be satisfied." It seems we've had a number of seasons with discussions of League 1 Playoff race (16-17, 18-19, 19-20, 23-24) that we're always a million miles off of. Also, here's a genuine question; when have we ended up Overachieving? When was the last time we all had our expectations at the beginning of the season and ended up surpassing that? Can't have been one instance throughout the 2010s and on? |
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Post by pilninggas on Mar 17, 2024 10:24:35 GMT
I think we can now say the squad was never as good as we all believed it was in august (including me) We must give MT time in the summer and to see his squad perform in the first few weeks. The management must also get to the bottom of the injuries at the club, this has been going on for 3 seasons now where the first half of the season is marred with a full team of injured players, there must be something we are doing? It doesn’t matter who the manager is you can’t get a settled team or spirit in the team when we have at least 3 or 4 senior players out with strains and tears from training ground matches. I always knew Lincoln would spank us, they’re the form team, we are under strength all over the park, and for me the season was essentially over in August as a promotion potential season with the JCH debacle. Maybe it's just me but for the past 5-10 years I've just usually gone through the "if we finish above where we finished last year, I'll be satisfied." It seems we've had a number of seasons with discussions of League 1 Playoff race (16-17, 18-19, 19-20, 23-24) that we're always a million miles off of. Also, here's a genuine question; when have we ended up Overachieving? When was the last time we all had our expectations at the beginning of the season and ended up surpassing that? Can't have been one instance throughout the 2010s and on? The promotion of 2016? Everyone expected a season of settling in League 2 after getting back out of the Conference and then DC/the team managed to do the back-to-back. |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Mar 17, 2024 10:28:52 GMT
I think we can now say the squad was never as good as we all believed it was in august (including me) We must give MT time in the summer and to see his squad perform in the first few weeks. The management must also get to the bottom of the injuries at the club, this has been going on for 3 seasons now where the first half of the season is marred with a full team of injured players, there must be something we are doing? It doesn’t matter who the manager is you can’t get a settled team or spirit in the team when we have at least 3 or 4 senior players out with strains and tears from training ground matches. I always knew Lincoln would spank us, they’re the form team, we are under strength all over the park, and for me the season was essentially over in August as a promotion potential season with the JCH debacle. The injury crisis have been going on more than 3 seasons. I started a thread over 5 years ago asking : why have we got 5-10 players out ever single game? Yesterday was no exception we had 9 players unavailable for other reasons . It's got to a stage we're fans look to who is avaliable rather than who isn't . This can't continue . |
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Post by returnofthedust on Mar 17, 2024 10:42:04 GMT
I think we can now say the squad was never as good as we all believed it was in august (including me) We must give MT time in the summer and to see his squad perform in the first few weeks. The management must also get to the bottom of the injuries at the club, this has been going on for 3 seasons now where the first half of the season is marred with a full team of injured players, there must be something we are doing? It doesn’t matter who the manager is you can’t get a settled team or spirit in the team when we have at least 3 or 4 senior players out with strains and tears from training ground matches. I always knew Lincoln would spank us, they’re the form team, we are under strength all over the park, and for me the season was essentially over in August as a promotion potential season with the JCH debacle. Maybe it's just me but for the past 5-10 years I've just usually gone through the "if we finish above where we finished last year, I'll be satisfied." It seems we've had a number of seasons with discussions of League 1 Playoff race (16-17, 18-19, 19-20, 23-24) that we're always a million miles off of. Also, here's a genuine question; when have we ended up Overachieving? When was the last time we all had our expectations at the beginning of the season and ended up surpassing that? Can't have been one instance throughout the 2010s and on? Graham Coughlan was the last person to over achieve |
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 17, 2024 10:53:49 GMT
Maybe it's just me but for the past 5-10 years I've just usually gone through the "if we finish above where we finished last year, I'll be satisfied." It seems we've had a number of seasons with discussions of League 1 Playoff race (16-17, 18-19, 19-20, 23-24) that we're always a million miles off of. Also, here's a genuine question; when have we ended up Overachieving? When was the last time we all had our expectations at the beginning of the season and ended up surpassing that? Can't have been one instance throughout the 2010s and on? Graham Coughlan was the last person to over achieve But even he walked out before completing the job/the season, we weren't a million miles behind that season last season but the wheels again fell off the wagon. Personally I don't feel the owners have any intention of a top 6 finish until the ground is redeveloped, as Abdullatif clearly stated we couldn't survive in the Championship at present. Not really sure how MT deals with the fans expectations of a top 6/8 challenge next season when the club's target is probably mid table, as the last thing they'll want is a top 6 finish and potential promotion. |
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 17, 2024 10:54:26 GMT
Ok,it takes years to turn a poor culture into a good one,we don't have that time,so if there is a player culture of doing what you want it's impossible for a new manager to resolve that ,hence the need for clear outs and removal of malign influences. Have you any real evidence of a poor culture, players not giving 100% doesn't mean a poor culture it just means they don't like the manager. Looking at the highlights it seems Conteh is at fault for the first goal and Conner Taylor for most of the others, so MT is clearly taking nonsense about making players train away from the main squad. If the manager clearly states it's a real challenge getting players up for a game,that's not a I don't like the manager issue ,it's a cultural issue within the squad. I would have believed self motivation was an essential part of being a professional sportsman and that's about a persons own cultural beliefs,not something that can be instructed. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 17, 2024 11:07:15 GMT
If the manager thinks it is the players attitudes then I think we have to back him to bring his own players here in the summer, and if we're still performing badly THEN you look at the manager more closely.
Having said that MT couldn't have done his homework as when he came in he made a point of saying part of the reason he decided to take the job was because of the squad of players we have.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 17, 2024 11:26:23 GMT
Have you any real evidence of a poor culture, players not giving 100% doesn't mean a poor culture it just means they don't like the manager. Looking at the highlights it seems Conteh is at fault for the first goal and Conner Taylor for most of the others, so MT is clearly taking nonsense about making players train away from the main squad. If the manager clearly states it's a real challenge getting players up for a game,that's not a I don't like the manager issue ,it's a cultural issue within the squad. I would have believed self motivation was an essential part of being a professional sportsman and that's about a persons own cultural beliefs,not something that can be instructed. There's plenty of evidence of teams not trying for a manager they don't like/don't take too. That's why Neil Warnock has been so successful, he has the knack of getting the best out of players. MT's failed with two different sets of players this season. |
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