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Post by Colyton Gas on Mar 29, 2024 20:06:08 GMT
I agree look what DC inherited at Cheltenham, what was it no points and no goals? And now he’s on the brink of keeping them up! Did he moan about a sh** squad? Some can manage and some can’t, although the players a bunch of cants for letting this happen. All pretty standard I’m afraid in the Rovers circle of life 😤. UTFG! All starts from the top...the club is run poorly, not very ambitious with any of its plans, they can say we are aiming for championship but the stadium plans will prove that they are not serious enough. Nothing about Bristol Rovers really blows me away and gets me really thinking we are going places. Thus it has always been sadly.Feel now like I did when we dropped out of the league. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 29, 2024 20:13:25 GMT
Matt Taylor should get some of the blame but I think it's unfair to leave all the criticism on him. So many players out of contract it's unprecedented. He's came in half way in the season (ish) he did not sign these players. I won't be judging him until Christmas It's no different when we got relegated with Barton and with Garner and Tisdale players in my opinion He couldn't get a tune out of them because they were terrible and not interested I agree it’s not fair to level all this at him. But my worry is how badly his Rotherham Utd team has performed this season. His squad basically and he spent money in the summer. Bottom by 19 points. I wonder if he can manage a squad to mount a challenge in League 1. At least his replacement hasn't done any better! |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Mar 29, 2024 20:14:05 GMT
Got to give the guy a chance.
The current lot have downed tools.
Moving them on is the right thing to do and if the budget needs to be cut by 25% then so be it. At the start of this season it truly felt like we’d flashed the cash with the players being bought in and to be honest, it seems to me as if we overspent massively.
The players aren’t capable of doing what is asked of them and that’s true under Barton and Taylor.
There comes a point where you have had multiple managers and you need to start looking at the playing staff.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 29, 2024 20:15:49 GMT
I would say there are some very good players in our squad, who either won't or can't motivate themselves to play to the best of their ability. They are very capable of playing at this level and in some cases higher but seemingly can't be arsed. Elliot and Quansah as loan players have shown what can be done when you set your mind to it. Some of the players seem to have convinced themselves they are at their level or feel it is beneath them to be in this league. That is where the manager's motivation should kick in. If it's the players, many will be on their way so nothing to be done.
If it's the manager that can't motivate them then that is an entirely different matter! And a worry for next season.The players downing tools only ends one way,the manager is binned.You can’t sack off all the players. Most of them are leaving this summer anyway? |
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Post by dudelebowski on Mar 29, 2024 20:18:01 GMT
Ouch - just when you thought the day couldn't get any worse! Hope it isn't broken. I'm just recovering from a broken wrist, it's painful and not sure you would be able to drive with it. Hope he gets it sorted soon. Fortunately he’s a lazy driver with an automatic! |
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 29, 2024 20:29:15 GMT
After 62 years of following Rovers I’m now doubting, for the first time ever, if I’ve done the right thing in renewing my season ticket? I’ve been through some crap over the years but not trying is the worst thing to endure. Today was amongst the worst of that. Hopefully at least some of them turn up Monday as I’m doing “Director for a day”. Feels like I’ve wasted my money at this point - booked before New Year (in hope). Well, everything about supporting Rovers is in hope isn’t it! UTG! Yes I know what you mean. But…. You sound a similar vintage to me wider and I can remember losing at home to Workington at Eastville back in ‘67 (Blimey, that was awful.) when they were the worst ever team in a Division 3, a drubbing at Crewe on a Friday night in ‘68 (I didn’t see that one), and a 1-4 defeat at York more recently (I did see that one.) Those were terrible. But the lack of effort, like today, is the worst. No excuse if you don’t try and that is unforgivable. A testing few weeks for MT methinks. Not all his fault, the players have to shoulder most of the blame but these weeks will test his ability to manage players who’ve upped sticks and are already on holiday. Good luck to him. UTG! |
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 29, 2024 20:33:45 GMT
Are you saying that comparing MT results to JB results is unfair? It's very much like Barton's first season, when he and the players gave up, which I think is what I would compare it to. At least, hopefully, we won't get relegated.... And even similar to Dave Penny/ Stuart Campbell fiasco when the players gave up. Unfortunately that was mid-season which did cost us. UTG! |
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 29, 2024 20:39:05 GMT
Got to give the guy a chance. The current lot have downed tools. Moving them on is the right thing to do and if the budget needs to be cut by 25% then so be it. At the start of this season it truly felt like we’d flashed the cash with the players being bought in and to be honest, it seems to me as if we overspent massively. The players aren’t capable of doing what is asked of them and that’s true under Barton and Taylor. There comes a point where you have had multiple managers and you need to start looking at the playing staff. Perhaps g and e but if we splashed the cash we stopped before we got a striker who would score ready for August. CM been very good but that was more a last minute panic wasn’t it? UTG! |
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 29, 2024 20:50:30 GMT
Got to give the guy a chance. The current lot have downed tools. Moving them on is the right thing to do and if the budget needs to be cut by 25% then so be it. At the start of this season it truly felt like we’d flashed the cash with the players being bought in and to be honest, it seems to me as if we overspent massively. The players aren’t capable of doing what is asked of them and that’s true under Barton and Taylor. There comes a point where you have had multiple managers and you need to start looking at the playing staff. Didn't AM get a reasonable points return? It seems the players haven't taken to MT, I guess the big question is can we get in new players who can, or will we be next season's Rotherham in L1? With all MT's coaching staff contracts apparently running out in the summer, I wonder if the new owners will be tempted to start with a completely clean sheet rather than gamble on MT turning things around. |
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Post by axegas on Mar 29, 2024 20:53:14 GMT
I'd rather see a bad squad of players give their all for the club than a decent squad of players not try. That is what is most frustrating about the present situation.
The one thing giving me hope for this summer is the overhauled recruitment team, it sounds like we've finally got our act together in that department.
We'll have a Director of Football, Head of Recruitment and Head of Data and Analysis working on it, so hopefully they'll deliver results.
I think this season has shown us that it's not necessarily players with impressive CV's that we need to attract, but players with the right character, attitude and scope to be developed further.
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Post by greciangas on Mar 29, 2024 21:13:04 GMT
PV away. The place where skinhead Cherry was jumped in the pub bathroom Maybe 1984? wow, I remember Cherry! |
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Post by eric on Mar 29, 2024 21:15:25 GMT
I'd rather see a bad squad of players give their all for the club than a decent squad of players not try. That is what is most frustrating about the present situation. The one thing giving me hope for this summer is the overhauled recruitment team, it sounds like we've finally got our act together in that department. We'll have a Director of Football, Head of Recruitment and Head of Data and Analysis working on it, so hopefully they'll deliver results. I think this season has shown us that it's not necessarily players with impressive CV's that we need to attract, but players with the right character, attitude and scope to be developed further. We weren’t performing at 100% in the early part of this season by any means but I can’t remember such widespread accusations of the same players downing tools etc. I get if we’d over estimated the players abilities and they were performing at a lower level than we hoped but the response/attitude of the players to MT and what this means going forward is quite worrying. |
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Post by axegas on Mar 29, 2024 21:25:59 GMT
I'd rather see a bad squad of players give their all for the club than a decent squad of players not try. That is what is most frustrating about the present situation. The one thing giving me hope for this summer is the overhauled recruitment team, it sounds like we've finally got our act together in that department. We'll have a Director of Football, Head of Recruitment and Head of Data and Analysis working on it, so hopefully they'll deliver results. I think this season has shown us that it's not necessarily players with impressive CV's that we need to attract, but players with the right character, attitude and scope to be developed further. We weren’t performing at 100% in the early part of this season by any means but I can’t remember such widespread accusations of the same players downing tools etc. I get if we’d over estimated the players abilities and they were performing at a lower level than we hoped but the response/attitude of the players to MT and what this means going forward is quite worrying. The accusations stem from the fact that it's approaching the end of the season, and they're playing for a manager that didn't recruit them.
Therefore it's easier to create a narrative (rightly or wrongly) that the players have downed tools, rather than accept the fact that quality in the squad is just not there.
Personally think it's a little bit of both, and having the likes of Grant Ward and Jack Hunt out hasn't helped.
I actually think the loss of Collins has hit us a bit harder than first thought.
Sure Collins wasn't setting the world alight this season for us, but we just can't seem to fashion chances in the way that we were able to before.
Hoole and Gordan are not the full back pairing that we need and hopefully that is recognised after today.
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Post by bluegas on Mar 29, 2024 21:30:42 GMT
Unfortunately too many people accept us being so mediocre. It's no wonder the playing side of things never goes anywhere, I sit in the East stand with my old man and the club is supported mostly on a Saturday with people who just seem happy to be out of the house for 2 hours. It's also quiet and hardly very inspiring. Why don't we were want more as Bristol Rovers supporters, I genuinely think people have accepted we have historically always been average and shouldn't expect anything else. How do we demand more out of interest? I can't see we can force owners to spend £m's more than they plan spending. There are those (no names) who persistently accuse Rovers fans of being 'apathetic' and 'not holding the club to account'. It's never explained how this should be done. Effectively a football club is like any other business in the entertainment industry - cinema, pub, restaurants etc.. The only real sanction the customers have is just to not attend any business failing to meet their expectations. I've supported for 50 odd years and have bought my ST for next season. I don't delude myself that the owners will take a blind bit of notice of me, whoever they are. |
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Post by Gassy on Mar 29, 2024 21:40:57 GMT
I'd rather see a bad squad of players give their all for the club than a decent squad of players not try. That is what is most frustrating about the present situation. The one thing giving me hope for this summer is the overhauled recruitment team, it sounds like we've finally got our act together in that department. We'll have a Director of Football, Head of Recruitment and Head of Data and Analysis working on it, so hopefully they'll deliver results. I think this season has shown us that it's not necessarily players with impressive CV's that we need to attract, but players with the right character, attitude and scope to be developed further. We weren’t performing at 100% in the early part of this season by any means but I can’t remember such widespread accusations of the same players downing tools etc. I get if we’d over estimated the players abilities and they were performing at a lower level than we hoped but the response/attitude of the players to MT and what this means going forward is quite worrying. Tbf I do remember most saying he’s completely lost the dressing room, and those latter performances were just as bad as today. I’m very concerned with how MT has managed this squad after his bounce ended. And while I don’t look back on Barton thinking it was a mistake, it does make me wonder whether it was all him. Either way, I guess that’s the issue when it’s your squad - you live and die by it. MT will be under serious pressure next season if we don’t start well |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2024 21:42:59 GMT
We weren’t performing at 100% in the early part of this season by any means but I can’t remember such widespread accusations of the same players downing tools etc. I get if we’d over estimated the players abilities and they were performing at a lower level than we hoped but the response/attitude of the players to MT and what this means going forward is quite worrying. The accusations stem from the fact that it's approaching the end of the season, and they're playing for a manager that didn't recruit them.
Therefore it's easier to create a narrative (rightly or wrongly) that the players have downed tools, rather than accept the fact that quality in the squad is just not there.
Personally think it's a little bit of both, and having the likes of Grant Ward and Jack Hunt out hasn't helped.
I actually think the loss of Collins has hit us a bit harder than first thought.
Sure Collins wasn't setting the world alight this season for us, but we just can't seem to fashion chances in the way that we were able to before.
Hoole and Gordan are not the full back pairing that we need and hopefully that is recognised after today.
Hoole and Gordon would both be near the top of my list to ship out the door in the summer. |
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Post by clockendgas on Mar 29, 2024 21:43:02 GMT
How do we demand more out of interest? I can't see we can force owners to spend £m's more than they plan spending. There are those (no names) who persistently accuse Rovers fans of being 'apathetic' and 'not holding the club to account'. It's never explained how this should be done. Effectively a football club is like any other business in the entertainment industry - cinema, pub, restaurants etc.. The only real sanction the customers have is just to not attend any business failing to meet their expectations. I've supported for 50 odd years and have bought my ST for next season. I don't delude myself that the owners will take a blind bit of notice of me, whoever they are. Correct mate,unless you have millions to change things your stuck,hoping each season will be better,and occasionally it is,but generally following rovers it's pretty 💩 |
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Post by eric on Mar 29, 2024 21:45:29 GMT
How do we demand more out of interest? I can't see we can force owners to spend £m's more than they plan spending. There are those (no names) who persistently accuse Rovers fans of being 'apathetic' and 'not holding the club to account'. It's never explained how this should be done. Effectively a football club is like any other business in the entertainment industry - cinema, pub, restaurants etc.. The only real sanction the customers have is just to not attend any business failing to meet their expectations. I've supported for 50 odd years and have bought my ST for next season. I don't delude myself that the owners will take a blind bit of notice of me, whoever they are. We’ve got the right to “demand” an owner spends £100m+ of their families wealth on a demolition and stadium rebuild instead of doing a £15m to £20m stadium upgrade (my guesswork) which exceeds anything anyone else has done for the club over the past 50 odd years !!! |
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Post by eric on Mar 29, 2024 21:53:15 GMT
We weren’t performing at 100% in the early part of this season by any means but I can’t remember such widespread accusations of the same players downing tools etc. I get if we’d over estimated the players abilities and they were performing at a lower level than we hoped but the response/attitude of the players to MT and what this means going forward is quite worrying. Tbf I do remember most saying he’s completely lost the dressing room, and those latter performances were just as bad as today. I’m very concerned with how MT has managed this squad after his bounce ended. And while I don’t look back on Barton thinking it was a mistake, it does make me wonder whether it was all him. Either way, I guess that’s the issue when it’s your squad - you live and die by it. MT will be under serious pressure next season if we don’t start well The previous management regime seems an age away now but whilst I recall accusations of underperforming I can’t remember too much talk of players downing tools, not trying etc…regardless MT probably deserves the chance to build his own squad (although he acknowledged the current squad was a talented group that he was excited to be working with) but the signs at this stage are a little worrying to say the least. I’m not writing him off just yet but not the impact I’d hoped for so far. |
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Post by dudelebowski on Mar 29, 2024 21:56:14 GMT
Not sure it could’ve been any worse today, we had a pair of dinosaurs behind us all first half “coloured this, coloured that” when trying to identify players on both teams, they thought Sincs was Vale & Vale was Sincs, believed Finley was Aguiliera & one was convinced the owner isn’t the actual owner of the club, he just owns the stadium. Oh & that 50 points isn’t enough & we’ll probably get relegated.
We moved forward 8 rows for the second 45. Not sure if it was them; but someone in close quarters kept shouting “Sieg Heil” in the latter stages also.
Facepalm central.
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