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Post by stevek192 on Feb 3, 2015 9:23:50 GMT
My only thought on DC's failure to bring in an "experienced" midfielder is maybe that clubs do not want to loan us players and to be honest I wouldn't blame them as DC does not have a very good record of actually playing them when we do sign them. De La Verde, Goldberg,Cunnington,Martin,Dawson, Wall,Wakefield and Spiess. Other than De La Verde I think all of the others spent more time on the bench than on the field of play!! This tells me that DC either doesn't have a good eye for players or they are desperation signings or maybe a bit of both. I am always willing to give a player chances but a player who fails to impress Torquay and who their supporters say has no creativity does not sound like a player who is going to dominate a midfield for us. To those who say "Give the player a chance " does DC really follow this philosophy?
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Post by empirebaypete on Feb 3, 2015 9:25:57 GMT
I'm inclined to agree with you. In the old days a player would be signed on loan on Thursday or Friday, and be in the first team on Saturday.
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Post by newmarketgas on Feb 3, 2015 9:30:41 GMT
Yes, we must be the only club like this ? Some offer players some don't, why is every issue with this club a conspiracy ?
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Post by rocknrollaayatollah on Feb 3, 2015 9:54:03 GMT
My only thought on DC's failure to bring in an "experienced" midfielder is maybe that clubs do not want to loan us players and to be honest I wouldn't blame them as DC does not have a very good record of actually playing them when we do sign them. De La Verde, Goldberg,Cunnington,Martin,Dawson, Wall,Wakefield and Spiess. Other than De La Verde I think all of the others spent more time on the bench than on the field of play!! This tells me that DC either doesn't have a good eye for players or they are desperation signings or maybe a bit of both. I am always willing to give a player chances but a player who fails to impress Torquay and who their supporters say has no creativity does not sound like a player who is going to dominate a midfield for us. To those who say "Give the player a chance " does DC really follow this philosophy? Cunnington, Martin, Wall and Spiess were all given starts straight away and didn't impress enough to warrant keeping their place, are you suggesting we should just play them no matter what? Don't forget Clarke does witness them all in training. Goldberg was the only one that wasn't really played much but Taylor was hitting form and kept him out. Dawson was signed after a 2-0 convincing win at Nuneaton, why should have he be given a start at Woking? However there was a strong case of starting him at Dartford. I do enjoy your match reports very much but I do think you can be melodramatic after dodgy results.
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Post by Severncider on Feb 3, 2015 9:55:24 GMT
My only thought on DC's failure to bring in an "experienced" midfielder is maybe that clubs do not want to loan us players and to be honest I wouldn't blame them as DC does not have a very good record of actually playing them when we do sign them. De La Verde, Goldberg,Cunnington,Martin,Dawson, Wall,Wakefield and Spiess. Other than De La Verde I think all of the others spent more time on the bench than on the field of play!! This tells me that DC either doesn't have a good eye for players or they are desperation signings or maybe a bit of both. I am always willing to give a player chances but a player who fails to impress Torquay and who their supporters say has no creativity does not sound like a player who is going to dominate a midfield for us. To those who say "Give the player a chance " does DC really follow this philosophy? I did not think you were allowed to say that on this forum.
When I suggested this, it was not met well by a few Gasheads.
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Post by amgas on Feb 3, 2015 10:09:34 GMT
What a load of twaddle. If a player is better than what we have he will be played. If we struggle to attract players it is because we are now a conference side. The other thing that goes against us is we are not in London or the North West, clearly the distance a player has to travel has an impact. Out of every player in your list only LDV was better than what we had and he would have played more if he had not got injured. Fully expect Dawson will play but have not seen enough of him yet. Wall and Golberg both had chances and put simply were nothing special. Spies played until one of our own keepers were fit. Cunnington reasonable and played a number of games, but no better than what we have now.
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Post by stevek192 on Feb 3, 2015 10:13:44 GMT
I am suggesting perhaps that we should not be signing them if they are not good enough to play regularly and wonder if we know enough about these players BEFORE signing them or have they been made in desperation. Personally I feel that all loans should be either made for the whole season or be emergencies only-just an opinion.
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Post by amgas on Feb 3, 2015 10:17:05 GMT
No you said we can't attract good players because DC does not play them. By definition you are going to get fringe players from other clubs around our level or youngsters, all are going to be a bit of a gamble, and most will not have played regularly because they are youngsters or out of favour.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 10:21:13 GMT
This tells me that DC either doesn't have a good eye for players or they are desperation signings or maybe a bit of both. Or that he doesn't want to throw one of the players that have us challenging for the title out of the team to appease people who want a quick fix.
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Post by rocknrollaayatollah on Feb 3, 2015 10:24:44 GMT
I am suggesting perhaps that we should not be signing them if they are not good enough to play regularly and wonder if we know enough about these players BEFORE signing them or have they been made in desperation. Personally I feel that all loans should be either made for the whole season or be emergencies only-just an opinion. I see where you're coming from but I believe that this is the quality we'll get based on our budget, division and location. If we didn't sign these players we would have had an even more threadbare squad.
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Post by spiess1 on Feb 3, 2015 10:30:58 GMT
Are they signed for the team, or for the squad? Makes a difference.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Feb 3, 2015 10:33:20 GMT
My only thought on DC's failure to bring in an "experienced" midfielder is maybe that clubs do not want to loan us players and to be honest I wouldn't blame them as DC does not have a very good record of actually playing them when we do sign them. De La Verde, Goldberg,Cunnington,Martin,Dawson, Wall,Wakefield and Spiess. Other than De La Verde I think all of the others spent more time on the bench than on the field of play!! This tells me that DC either doesn't have a good eye for players or they are desperation signings or maybe a bit of both. I am always willing to give a player chances but a player who fails to impress Torquay and who their supporters say has no creativity does not sound like a player who is going to dominate a midfield for us. To those who say "Give the player a chance " does DC really follow this philosophy? Della Verde was signed on loan and played regularly and would have carried on playing for longer without his injury. Goldberg was a stop gap signing before we could sign Easter in the January transfer window. Cunnington had a positive effect and impact when he was first here and only went back due to Cambridge having injuries up front. Martin was a loan signing on the cheap but we his pace and set piece quality was beneficial to us for a short period. Dawson has only recently signed, expect him to start Saturday. Wakefield has only just signed, expect him to start Saturday. Spiess was because we had no choice because we wouldn't have had a keeper. So the only really questionable one is probably Wall?
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Feb 3, 2015 10:34:36 GMT
My only thought on DC's failure to bring in an "experienced" midfielder is maybe that clubs do not want to loan us players and to be honest I wouldn't blame them as DC does not have a very good record of actually playing them when we do sign them. De La Verde, Goldberg,Cunnington,Martin,Dawson, Wall,Wakefield and Spiess. Other than De La Verde I think all of the others spent more time on the bench than on the field of play!! This tells me that DC either doesn't have a good eye for players or they are desperation signings or maybe a bit of both. I am always willing to give a player chances but a player who fails to impress Torquay and who their supporters say has no creativity does not sound like a player who is going to dominate a midfield for us. To those who say "Give the player a chance " does DC really follow this philosophy? Cunnington, Martin, Wall and Spiess were all given starts straight away and didn't impress enough to warrant keeping their place, are you suggesting we should just play them no matter what? Don't forget Clarke does witness them all in training. Goldberg was the only one that wasn't really played much but Taylor was hitting form and kept him out.Dawson was signed after a 2-0 convincing win at Nuneaton, why should have he be given a start at Woking? However there was a strong case of starting him at Dartford. I do enjoy your match reports very much but I do think you can be melodramatic after dodgy results. And Goldberg was a stop gap signing for Easter IMO.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Feb 3, 2015 10:37:40 GMT
I actually look at things the other way with Clarke and he seems to be loyal to his contracted players as the loanees are only going to be here briefly. I think Clarke is all about building a close knit team with good spirit. I think he tries to use loanees sparingly and only as and when he needs to so they are kind of desperate signings from that point of view.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 11:12:00 GMT
i also think its harder to put players straight in when your near the top of the league,,it sends a bad message to the players who have battled all season,its different when your struggling as your just desperate to try anything. as ggmi says the team have plenty of spirit and dc needs to look after that.
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Post by philbemmygas on Feb 3, 2015 12:41:32 GMT
Martin Allen signed a striker the other week and announced to the world he was only there to sit on the bench, does he get the same amount of scrutiny from their fans?
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Post by RD on Feb 3, 2015 12:46:03 GMT
My only thought on DC's failure to bring in an "experienced" midfielder is maybe that clubs do not want to loan us players and to be honest I wouldn't blame them as DC does not have a very good record of actually playing them when we do sign them. De La Verde, Goldberg,Cunnington,Martin,Dawson, Wall,Wakefield and Spiess. Other than De La Verde I think all of the others spent more time on the bench than on the field of play!! This tells me that DC either doesn't have a good eye for players or they are desperation signings or maybe a bit of both. I am always willing to give a player chances but a player who fails to impress Torquay and who their supporters say has no creativity does not sound like a player who is going to dominate a midfield for us. To those who say "Give the player a chance " does DC really follow this philosophy? Cunnington, Martin, Wall and Spiess were all given starts straight away and didn't impress enough to warrant keeping their place, are you suggesting we should just play them no matter what? Don't forget Clarke does witness them all in training. Goldberg was the only one that wasn't really played much but Taylor was hitting form and kept him out. Dawson was signed after a 2-0 convincing win at Nuneaton, why should have he be given a start at Woking? However there was a strong case of starting him at Dartford. I do enjoy your match reports very much but I do think you can be melodramatic after dodgy results. Great post! I agree, Steve clearly knows what he's talking about and I absolutely love reading his match reports. BUT After a few wins he'll declare we have the best squad in the division. A defeat later and squad isn't good enough, the midfield too weak etc etc. To suggest DC doesn't have a good eye for a player purely because nobody wants to join us/any clubs want to lend us someone is ridiculous frankly. I can understand if we were questioning his "sales pitch" but to question his eye for talent based on that? Bizarre.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 3, 2015 13:05:43 GMT
My only thought on DC's failure to bring in an "experienced" midfielder is maybe that clubs do not want to loan us players and to be honest I wouldn't blame them as DC does not have a very good record of actually playing them when we do sign them. De La Verde, Goldberg,Cunnington,Martin,Dawson, Wall,Wakefield and Spiess. Other than De La Verde I think all of the others spent more time on the bench than on the field of play!! This tells me that DC either doesn't have a good eye for players or they are desperation signings or maybe a bit of both. I am always willing to give a player chances but a player who fails to impress Torquay and who their supporters say has no creativity does not sound like a player who is going to dominate a midfield for us. To those who say "Give the player a chance " does DC really follow this philosophy? Della Verde was signed on loan and played regularly and would have carried on playing for longer without his injury. Goldberg was a stop gap signing before we could sign Easter in the January transfer window. Cunnington had a positive effect and impact when he was first here and only went back due to Cambridge having injuries up front. Martin was a loan signing on the cheap but we his pace and set piece quality was beneficial to us for a short period. Dawson has only recently signed, expect him to start Saturday. Wakefield has only just signed, expect him to start Saturday. Spiess was because we had no choice because we wouldn't have had a keeper. So the only really questionable one is probably Wall? Della Verde was signed on loan and played regularly and would have carried on playing for longer without his injury. Even he started on the bench?Goldberg was a stop gap signing before we could sign Easter in the January transfer window. How did DC know Millwall were going to buy up his contract?Cunnington had a positive effect and impact when he was first here and only went back due to Cambridge having injuries up front. Pretty sure he'd spent time on the bench before his recall?Martin was a loan signing on the cheap but we his pace and set piece quality was beneficial to us for a short period. How do you know he was on the cheap?Dawson has only recently signed, expect him to start Saturday. We've expected him to start the last couple of games?Wakefield has only just signed, expect him to start Saturday. Ditto Dawson's commentsSpiess was because we had no choice because we wouldn't have had a keeper. Agreed but that meant he had to be played?
We must be (or should be) big payers in the Confernece why can't we attract players who go straight into the starting 11 like DC/MS promised they would sign, the only one capable of doing that, Easter, approached us!!!! Yeovil show location is not a problem signing players so there must be some other reason possibly what SK's identified, or is down to we simply won't pay enough money to attract the right player/we're trying to attract the wrong player? If we fail to go up this season it will be once again down to poor signings in January, Halifax signed 3 players yesterday we get in a young inexperienced player, there must be a reason??
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 13:19:26 GMT
"Halifax signed 3 players yesterday we get in a young inexperienced player, there must be a reason??" - Yes there is. Halifax are not second in the table and are desperate to improve. We don't have that same desperation with our squad.
Yeah, yeah, yeah....Look at the mighty Man Utd. They went all out signing players yesterday.........They got a 21 year-old Left Back from Bolton on loan, and.....um......that's it! Do you think he'll go straight into the first team? Probably not eh.
Jeez, this is such a stupid thread.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Feb 3, 2015 13:25:41 GMT
Della Verde was signed on loan and played regularly and would have carried on playing for longer without his injury. Goldberg was a stop gap signing before we could sign Easter in the January transfer window. Cunnington had a positive effect and impact when he was first here and only went back due to Cambridge having injuries up front. Martin was a loan signing on the cheap but we his pace and set piece quality was beneficial to us for a short period. Dawson has only recently signed, expect him to start Saturday. Wakefield has only just signed, expect him to start Saturday. Spiess was because we had no choice because we wouldn't have had a keeper. So the only really questionable one is probably Wall? Della Verde was signed on loan and played regularly and would have carried on playing for longer without his injury. Even he started on the bench? Goldberg was a stop gap signing before we could sign Easter in the January transfer window. How did DC know Millwall were going to buy up his contract? Cunnington had a positive effect and impact when he was first here and only went back due to Cambridge having injuries up front. Pretty sure he'd spent time on the bench before his recall? Martin was a loan signing on the cheap but we his pace and set piece quality was beneficial to us for a short period. How do you know he was on the cheap? Dawson has only recently signed, expect him to start Saturday. We've expected him to start the last couple of games? Wakefield has only just signed, expect him to start Saturday. Ditto Dawson's comments Spiess was because we had no choice because we wouldn't have had a keeper. Agreed but that meant he had to be played?
We must be (or should be) big payers in the Confernece why can't we attract players who go straight into the starting 11 like DC/MS promised they would sign, the only one capable of doing that, Easter, approached us!!!! Yeovil show location is not a problem signing players so there must be some other reason possibly what SK's identified, or is down to we simply won't pay enough money to attract the right player/we're trying to attract the wrong player? If we fail to go up this season it will be once again down to poor signings in January, Halifax signed 3 players yesterday we get in a young inexperienced player, there must be a reason?? Yeah, started on the bench but played regularly afterwards. Clarke was in contact with him in November, regardless we were always going to be looking to sign a striker in the January transfer window. Cunnington was dropped to the bench because he went off the boil a bit. It was obvious he was on the cheap, he wasn't even given a squad number by Luton and Higgs has even said that he would back the manager if we were doing well around xmas. At that point we didn't start great so Higgs probably reluctant to go all out in splashing the cash. Wrong - YOU have expected him to start the last couple of games. I haven't. I don't see why it is necessary to start a loanee in their first game? I would have however brought him on instead of Balanta. Wakefield - I think he will start as we only have 1 cm (Mansell)
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