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Post by daniel300380 on Jun 21, 2024 8:51:57 GMT
Need a more balanced team, Gordon needs to be on the left, Foden as a 10, get Bellingham and Mainoo in front of the defence and move them all up the pitch. Rice was awful last night. It was Rice's worst performance I can remember, but the majority were just as bad. He has to start in front of the defence, you can't drop a player like that after one game. Bellingham was just as bad, yet nobody will be saying to drop him. I agree bring Gordon in on the left. Play Foden in behind Kane and then I would move Bellingham back next to Rice. If he's not going to move Bellingham back, then play Wharton next to Rice. He looked class for Palace and if he was at United instead of Mainoo, everyone would be saying he should be in the team already. He reads the game so well, makes loads of interceptions and tackles and looks to play forward. He could be our Kante.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Jun 21, 2024 8:54:45 GMT
Mmm, probably worst game of the tournament. I think the media ,pundits and bookies (the latter for obvious reasons!) have over hyped our players and there chances in this tournament. It is ironic that the much maligned defence has been ok and better than expected but in front of them with supposedly all these 'world' class options to choose from it has been less than impressive. It has been disjointed to say the least and though i am not and never have been anti Southgate he does seem to struggling with selections, both players and tactics. they were all awful last night, Saka at least had a go, apart from that as Wareham said Rice unusually very poor, Bellingham never got going ( sorry Wareham I don't think it's a case of him caring about publicity, if there is one young player who worries less about that it's him , just an opinion of course! so Gareth has much work to do and some what seem to be hard decisions for him to make .The TAA debate sums it up ,decent player but it is a general consensus that he is not a good enough defender to play in the r/b position and to go into a major tournament 'experimenting' by playing players out of position is imho very unwise, he is not so good so we have to find a place for him is he? you get into the team because you are judged to be the best in your position, and have excelled in that position for your club. some one even suggested that because Trippier has only been ok ish TAA plays at left back! That then throws up the question 'what on earth is Luke Shaw doing there if he aint fit? Any way over to you Gareth, good luck !
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Post by Gassy on Jun 21, 2024 8:56:52 GMT
This is still a very good opportunity for England to finally win the Euro's it's all very far from over. England can bumble their way to the quarters then gather some momentum. If they don't get to the final then I'm sure Gareth will.think it's time to move on anyway. However who would replace him. Eddie Howe is tainted for life by taking the Saudi money and I doubt the FA could afford him anyway. Carsley or Potter seems to be about it. Otherwise it's overseas again I can see Newcastle taking the 'out' on Howe if the FA asked to speak with him. Otherwise I agree, Potter seems the likely candidate. I have zero problems with going abroad tbh. In fact, I'd encourage it. How many English managers play exciting, attacking football? We have the players to play it, just not the manager.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jun 21, 2024 9:24:08 GMT
Superb amount of goals/assists in an ordinary team last season and he has to watch that drivel with the rest of us. Continuing to play Trent in midfield shows Southgate has lost the plot, he has enough quality players to play in their natural positions. I honestly drifted off to sleep watching that for a couple of minutes
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Post by clockendgas on Jun 21, 2024 9:26:40 GMT
On a more light hearted note,I did see a palace flag with THE EAGLE HAS LANDED printed on it,made me smile.
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 21, 2024 9:44:26 GMT
This is still a very good opportunity for England to finally win the Euro's it's all very far from over. England can bumble their way to the quarters then gather some momentum. If they don't get to the final then I'm sure Gareth will.think it's time to move on anyway. However who would replace him. Eddie Howe is tainted for life by taking the Saudi money and I doubt the FA could afford him anyway. Carsley or Potter seems to be about it. Otherwise it's overseas again Don’t be silly, hardly ‘tainted for life!’ 🤣 Do you really think managers have any real control regarding ownership? I doubt if he was even consulted. Plenty other clubs in PL with questionable sources of where the owners’ wealth comes from. And if you think Potter or Carsley are better options than EH then oh dear. Not sure Potter has shown he can handle big players, he certainly couldn’t at Chelsea. And Carsley, perhaps a similar appointment to that of Southgate without the League and international experience. I’d say EH would be the ideal candidate given his record of improving players that he has signed and making them better players. Up on a par with Pep. Can you think of a big player who Ten Haag at ManU or Potter signed at Chelsea that actually got better under them? I can’t. I’d say EH is the standout option but not sure he would take it at this point. It will be a football decision made by the same FA suits that always do it. UTG!
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Post by eric on Jun 21, 2024 10:57:44 GMT
This is still a very good opportunity for England to finally win the Euro's it's all very far from over. England can bumble their way to the quarters then gather some momentum. If they don't get to the final then I'm sure Gareth will.think it's time to move on anyway. However who would replace him. Eddie Howe is tainted for life by taking the Saudi money and I doubt the FA could afford him anyway. Carsley or Potter seems to be about it. Otherwise it's overseas again Totally disagree about EH being “tainted” but I wouldn’t be too enthused about him or any other English managers at the moment anyway if looking solely at football credentials. I wouldn’t be fussed if we looked overseas - Klopp needed the break and would what is largely a part-time job where he could split his time between living in Germany and England tempt him? I would put every penny I have on him being able to get more of a tune out of this talented group of players than the drastically under qualified Southgate.
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 21, 2024 11:26:05 GMT
This is still a very good opportunity for England to finally win the Euro's it's all very far from over. England can bumble their way to the quarters then gather some momentum. If they don't get to the final then I'm sure Gareth will.think it's time to move on anyway. However who would replace him. Eddie Howe is tainted for life by taking the Saudi money and I doubt the FA could afford him anyway. Carsley or Potter seems to be about it. Otherwise it's overseas again Totally disagree about EH being “tainted” but I wouldn’t be too enthused about him or any other English managers at the moment anyway if looking solely at football credentials. I wouldn’t be fussed if we looked overseas - Klopp needed the break and would what is largely a part-time job where he could split his time between living in Germany and England tempt him? I would put every penny I have on him being able to get more of a tune out of this talented group of players than the drastically under qualified Southgate. Klopp is a good call eric but I’m not sure how realistic it is. Would be interested to know why you think that EHs football credentials aren’t good enough. Clearly an excellent coach, has dealt with senior players and gained their respect. They all speak very highly of him. He has an excellent record of making players better. Took a team from the relegation area and 18 months later secured Champions League football. And he plays football on the front foot, setting up a team to attack. Which with the players at the moment would be ideal. And he has stickability, he keeps to his way of playing even when on a bad run. Not overly important but for an England manager more so he talks well, understands how the press works and keeps all the crap stuff to the dressing room. One of the reasons why players respect him so much. What is it you don’t like? Serious question.👍 UTG!
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Post by DrFaustus on Jun 21, 2024 11:59:11 GMT
Unless England are playing Scotland, I always want them to do well and am quite amazed by the anti Southgate sentiments. The boy has got England consistently further than anyone since Sir Alf Ramsey.
The grass is always greener, maybe.
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Post by nickchippenhamgas on Jun 21, 2024 12:00:20 GMT
Using the old mantra “Fail to prepare, prepare to fail” then the FA should be lining up candidates to interview now, not at the end of the summer, the stand out for me is Klopp, no Englishman in the frame that I can see. But the FA won’t of course, it’ll go to a yes man, like Southgate, he loves playing players out of position and loves trying to defend a 1-0 lead whoever he’s playing rather than go for it. Kane summed it up beautifully and honestly saying they didn’t know (not verbatim) how to change, that is the England captain. It was also telling how animated Gary Lineker Rio and Alan shearer were after the game, I’ve never seen them so clearly wound up before.
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 21, 2024 12:35:03 GMT
This is still a very good opportunity for England to finally win the Euro's it's all very far from over. England can bumble their way to the quarters then gather some momentum. If they don't get to the final then I'm sure Gareth will.think it's time to move on anyway. However who would replace him. Eddie Howe is tainted for life by taking the Saudi money and I doubt the FA could afford him anyway. Carsley or Potter seems to be about it. Otherwise it's overseas again I can see Newcastle taking the 'out' on Howe if the FA asked to speak with him. Otherwise I agree, Potter seems the likely candidate. I have zero problems with going abroad tbh. In fact, I'd encourage it. How many English managers play exciting, attacking football? We have the players to play it, just not the manager.Interesting! In what way do you think Potter is better than EH? Again, serious question. EH plays attacking football. Potter at Brighton didn’t particularly play attacking football, he was far more possession based. And although he did well there, it wasn’t on the strength of being really attack minded. It took di Zerbi to turn Brighton into a very attractive play-on-the-front foot type of team. I am intrigued as to why Potter is thought to be a better choice than EH. And, of course, atm there is no vacancy, GS has done a very good job as England manager. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 21, 2024 12:54:09 GMT
Using the old mantra “Fail to prepare, prepare to fail” then the FA should be lining up candidates to interview now, not at the end of the summer, the stand out for me is Klopp, no Englishman in the frame that I can see. But the FA won’t of course, it’ll go to a yes man, like Southgate, he loves playing players out of position and loves trying to defend a 1-0 lead whoever he’s playing rather than go for it. Kane summed it up beautifully and honestly saying they didn’t know (not verbatim) how to change, that is the England captain. It was also telling how animated Gary Lineker Rio and Alan shearer were after the game, I’ve never seen them so clearly wound up before. Hardly a ‘yes man,’ whatever that is. Last night I thought he made all the correct but hard decisions, taking Kane, who’d scored, off. Taking TAA off when it wasn’t working which he knew would get him stick. And getting stick from GL, who’s never set up a team in his life, RF similar, and Shearer who has, for 8 (?) games whilst NUFC got relegated. Hard to know how they have the nerve to be critical given that they’ve never had to do it. And, fwiw, keep Shearer as a pundit in the studio. As a Co-comentator he’s not the best he takes over from the commentator and says the same thing. Better in the studio. UTG!
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jun 21, 2024 13:06:53 GMT
I bet Southgate puts his phone on power saving mode when he hits 99% battery
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Post by Gassy on Jun 21, 2024 14:21:46 GMT
I can see Newcastle taking the 'out' on Howe if the FA asked to speak with him. Otherwise I agree, Potter seems the likely candidate. I have zero problems with going abroad tbh. In fact, I'd encourage it. How many English managers play exciting, attacking football? We have the players to play it, just not the manager.Interesting! In what way do you think Potter is better than EH? Again, serious question.EH plays attacking football. Potter at Brighton didn’t particularly play attacking football, he was far more possession based. And although he did well there, it wasn’t on the strength of being really attack minded. It took di Zerbi to turn Brighton into a very attractive play-on-the-front foot type of team. I am intrigued as to why Potter is thought to be a better choice than EH.And, of course, atm there is no vacancy, GS has done a very good job as England manager. UTG! I don't, in the slightest! Sorry if my post came across that way. I'd not actually be too delighted with Potter tbh.
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Post by yattongas on Jun 21, 2024 14:25:45 GMT
Don’t know what you are all worried about , we’re going to win it 🏆.
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Post by aghast on Jun 21, 2024 15:35:40 GMT
Don't panic! We can leave that to the players.
We always seem to start badly in the group stage. A scruffy win, a poor draw and we just about ease through. Players like rabbits in headlights. Fans calling for manager's head.
Then we have a superb win in the knockout stage. Fans calling manager the best ever.
Then we lose to someone actually good.
It's what we do.
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 21, 2024 18:14:52 GMT
Interesting! In what way do you think Potter is better than EH? Again, serious question.EH plays attacking football. Potter at Brighton didn’t particularly play attacking football, he was far more possession based. And although he did well there, it wasn’t on the strength of being really attack minded. It took di Zerbi to turn Brighton into a very attractive play-on-the-front foot type of team. I am intrigued as to why Potter is thought to be a better choice than EH.And, of course, atm there is no vacancy, GS has done a very good job as England manager. UTG! I don't, in the slightest! Sorry if my post came across that way. I'd not actually be too delighted with Potter tbh. No problem. I thought when you said ‘Potter seems the likely candidate’ it was advocating him. 👍 So far no one has explained to me how Potter is thought more highly than EH. I genuinely would like to know the reasons. UTG!
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Post by darkbluegas on Jun 21, 2024 19:54:34 GMT
The first FA presser does with EH on LBGT, equality or diversity in general should be a laugh. Even Henderson saw the error of his ways
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Post by Gassy on Jun 21, 2024 20:08:53 GMT
I don't, in the slightest! Sorry if my post came across that way. I'd not actually be too delighted with Potter tbh. No problem. I thought when you said ‘Potter seems the likely candidate’ it was advocating him. 👍 So far no one has explained to me how Potter is thought more highly than EH. I genuinely would like to know the reasons. UTG! I assume no one has explained it, because it’s simply not true. The only reason I believe anyone says Potter, including why I did, was in case Howe isn’t available/interested. But tbh, I’d rather go abroad than Potter. We should appoint someone for their credentials, not because of their nationality IMO
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Post by gasgas3 on Jun 21, 2024 20:38:54 GMT
VAR perfect all tournament, stick the English officials in the mix and f;:king chaos.
How crap our English refs from Prem to step 5-6 and beyond.
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