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Post by yattongas on Jul 14, 2024 22:28:51 GMT
And yattongas would give him a 68 year extension 🫣 Sadly the best team won, but fair is fair. England, especially under Southgate, as usually lose to a team in the top 10. Hopefully we can look forward to someone more progressive to take us forward in 2026 and a home 2028 euros. There’s still a lot to look forward to Not sure there's an obvious English replacement, when neither Howe or Parker have won anything of note as managers. I wonder if Klopp might have now decided that he'd like to stay living in England! Thems not so blind who can’t see 🙄🏴 Obvs the natural replacement and what the fans are crying out for is the forum legend yattongas 🙄🏴👍 |
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 14, 2024 22:28:58 GMT
I think people are being a tad hard on England and Southgate.
Spain were the better team and deserved to win. It’s comes over that Southgate caused England’s defeat and if he’d done different things we would have won. We might have but there’s always the other team and Spain wasn’t just going to roll over for us. And in the end it was fine margins wasn’t it? Two fantastic heading chances from the corner to equalise weren’t taken. If we’d got that equaliser and held on for a penalty shot out and won it everyone would have been calling GS a tactical genius. Despite this being another golden generation we weren’t good enough and that’s not the fault of GS. Lots of the players think they are better than they really are. Fine margins.
Lots of good things though. John Stones was excellent today and Guehe has to be a real discovery. The midfield was ordinary who showed good moments but little consistency, Mainoo was given a lesson tonight, he had no time and no space today but he will 8mprove with time Rice had his best game tonight butbiverall he has not kicked on at all. Harry K has begun to look a bit tired with no pace, not that he ever had much and Saka had two players on him most of the time. When he didn’t he created a few chances.
Well done England you gave us some special moments and you took us deep into the Summer and kept us amused until our main team gets going again. 😉
UTG!
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Post by oliverhelmet on Jul 14, 2024 22:32:17 GMT
Best “team” won, i thought we should had really gone for it after scoring a superb equaliser, but went negative, sitting to deep?, oh well, we will win the world cup 🙄. The crying shame is that England have the better players, but Southgate does not seem to know how to make them gel - Kane was a passenger tonight UTFG Spot on,we had the momentum when we equalised through pressing high but immediately dropped back and just had Watkins charging around trying to close down all their back 3.So frustrating but Spain could and should have won a lot more comfortably. |
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Post by supergas on Jul 14, 2024 22:40:29 GMT
Southgate should be commended for the off-field job he's done making the England men's setup far more professional than it's ever been. But tactically we need someone else to take us to the level of the other nations who actually win things.
I'd be happy to see him still in the setup somewhere because of the great job he's done off the field. Time to change the tactics and selection though...
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Post by Gassy on Jul 15, 2024 7:42:40 GMT
And yattongas would give him a 68 year extension 🫣 Sadly the best team won, but fair is fair. England, especially under Southgate, as usually lose to a team in the top 10. Hopefully we can look forward to someone more progressive to take us forward in 2026 and a home 2028 euros. There’s still a lot to look forward to Not sure there's an obvious English replacement, when neither Howe or Potter have won anything of note as managers. I wonder if Klopp might have now decided that like to stay living in England! I don’t think winning anything actually matters tbh, look at the Spain manager.. he’s won nothing until being Spain manager. We need someone who plays progressive, attacking football that matched our squads strengths. IMO they don’t have to be English either |
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Post by percy on Jul 15, 2024 7:51:39 GMT
Southgate should be commended for the off-field job he's done making the England men's setup far more professional than it's ever been. But tactically we need someone else to take us to the level of the other nations who actually win things. I'd be happy to see him still in the setup somewhere because of the great job he's done off the field. Time to change the tactics and selection though... I agree with this completely. We have no right to win tournaments, GS has come the closest but we havent quite found a way. We were too negative this tournament - especially after equalising in the final - but we have a very unbalanced squad with lots of excellent individuals. No fit left back, no real idea of our best midfield 2, and Kane and Bellingham looking off their usual pace - so in a way. we maybe overachieved this time round! No idea who comes next, good luck to them as I wouldnt be surprised if in one of the next 2 tournaments we go back to being unable to even get out of the group stages! |
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 15, 2024 8:13:30 GMT
Southgate should be commended for the off-field job he's done making the England men's setup far more professional than it's ever been. But tactically we need someone else to take us to the level of the other nations who actually win things. I'd be happy to see him still in the setup somewhere because of the great job he's done off the field. Time to change the tactics and selection though... Yes, agree completely. I won’t criticise GS but it feels like the right time and I think he’ll step aside and let someone else take over. Fine character, fine man whose team reflects that. UTG! |
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Post by justin blue on Jul 15, 2024 8:14:03 GMT
Lots to be proud of despite losing to the best team in the competition. England fought to the end, but needed a huge slice of luck to topple Spain. Southgate has done a great job, but like England come up short again, he can go now with his head held high hopefully.
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Post by hollyhillgas on Jul 15, 2024 8:17:14 GMT
Thought pickford maybe should have saved the first, but he's been a great keeper and is england through and through. Just don't want some sh** appointment like Potter... Yep I agree, we need to be more exciting and Potter would be Step back Harry would be magic. |
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Post by heartofgas on Jul 15, 2024 9:53:06 GMT
We finished second best team in Europe which isn't bad. After the mediocrity we had before Southgate took over. However it feels like we have a great team hiding inside its ability. Showing fleeting glimpses of what it could be. Whether that is down to player selection, player performance or team instruction it's hard to tell but hopefully a new manager will be able to unlock that. We've had our slices of luck and the early performances were awful but it was good to be involved until the end of the tournament. Credit to Spain though. They are a great team, the stand out team in the tournament and deserved winners.
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Post by wertongas on Jul 15, 2024 10:23:04 GMT
Southgate is a very good manager, but a bit to cautious and negative, when we got back to 1-1, the crowd were behind us,but instead of pushing forward at every opportunity we sat back and tried to defend against the best attack in Europe (we made side ways passes when we could have gone forward), there was only going to be one outcome and Spain scored.
Sometimes the best form of defence is attack.
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Post by gasgas3 on Jul 15, 2024 10:24:56 GMT
Spain fantastic. We were just outclassed.
Imo this doesn’t fall to Southgate, it starts well before the England manager gets hold of the players.
Technically we are not good enough as players, tactically we are not good enough as coaches.
Foden ect are influenced by Pep, but even he lets great players go if he can’t see that technically and game reading ability in a player
This all down to an inept FA that is clueless about grassroots football, facilities, training coaches properly. Academy programs, managerial development. Especially academy, Mike Bassett, Sam Alydyce, Harry style of moulding English players.
We are still years behind other football nations. Seriously nearly 60 years, when Germany, Spain, Italy, ect ect are winning multiple silverware.
Unless we change completely the throw in the mixer to the big lad up front or the 100 mph winger with zero end product at an early age it will be another 60 years at best.
The only good thing to come out of this is a defence and goalkeeper. That if I remember were the positions before the tournament that were a concern.
Changing Southgate for a superstar foreign manager bit of a waste of time, as he will still be inheriting the same players.
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Post by willytopp84 on Jul 15, 2024 11:55:39 GMT
Time to bring in Klopp he could win a tourny with our crop of talent.
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Post by eric on Jul 15, 2024 12:20:13 GMT
Spain fantastic. We were just outclassed. Imo this doesn’t fall to Southgate, it starts well before the England manager gets hold of the players. Technically we are not good enough as players, tactically we are not good enough as coaches. Foden ect are influenced by Pep, but even he lets great players go if he can’t see that technically and game reading ability in a player This all down to an inept FA that is clueless about grassroots football, facilities, training coaches properly. Academy programs, managerial development. Especially academy, Mike Bassett, Sam Alydyce, Harry style of moulding English players. We are still years behind other football nations. Seriously nearly 60 years, when Germany, Spain, Italy, ect ect are winning multiple silverware. Unless we change completely the throw in the mixer to the big lad up front or the 100 mph winger with zero end product at an early age it will be another 60 years at best. The only good thing to come out of this is a defence and goalkeeper. That if I remember were the positions before the tournament that were a concern. Changing Southgate for a superstar foreign manager bit of a waste of time, as he will still be inheriting the same players. Are you being serious or on a wind up? |
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Post by pepsi on Jul 15, 2024 12:40:41 GMT
Spain fantastic. We were just outclassed. Imo this doesn’t fall to Southgate, it starts well before the England manager gets hold of the players. Technically we are not good enough as players, tactically we are not good enough as coaches. Foden ect are influenced by Pep, but even he lets great players go if he can’t see that technically and game reading ability in a player This all down to an inept FA that is clueless about grassroots football, facilities, training coaches properly. Academy programs, managerial development. Especially academy, Mike Bassett, Sam Alydyce, Harry style of moulding English players. We are still years behind other football nations. Seriously nearly 60 years, when Germany, Spain, Italy, ect ect are winning multiple silverware. Unless we change completely the throw in the mixer to the big lad up front or the 100 mph winger with zero end product at an early age it will be another 60 years at best. The only good thing to come out of this is a defence and goalkeeper. That if I remember were the positions before the tournament that were a concern. Changing Southgate for a superstar foreign manager bit of a waste of time, as he will still be inheriting the same players. Are you being serious or on a wind up? My thoughts exactly. I think a lot of it has been copied and pasted from 25 years ago . |
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Post by eric on Jul 15, 2024 12:58:56 GMT
Are you being serious or on a wind up? My thoughts exactly. I think a lot of it has been copied and pasted from 25 years ago . Exactly. The picture being painted of academy football couldn’t be further detached from the reality. You are more likely to be kicked out for hoofing a ball up towards a centre forward than being taught it 🤣 Foden, Palmer, Bellingham, Saka, Mainoo etc not technically gifted….do me a favour. |
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 15, 2024 13:03:03 GMT
Spain fantastic. We were just outclassed. Imo this doesn’t fall to Southgate, it starts well before the England manager gets hold of the players. Technically we are not good enough as players, tactically we are not good enough as coaches. Foden ect are influenced by Pep, but even he lets great players go if he can’t see that technically and game reading ability in a player This all down to an inept FA that is clueless about grassroots football, facilities, training coaches properly. Academy programs, managerial development. Especially academy, Mike Bassett, Sam Alydyce, Harry style of moulding English players. We are still years behind other football nations. Seriously nearly 60 years, when Germany, Spain, Italy, ect ect are winning multiple silverware. Unless we change completely the throw in the mixer to the big lad up front or the 100 mph winger with zero end product at an early age it will be another 60 years at best. The only good thing to come out of this is a defence and goalkeeper. That if I remember were the positions before the tournament that were a concern. Changing Southgate for a superstar foreign manager bit of a waste of time, as he will still be inheriting the same players. Are you being serious or on a wind up? Eric, he’s having a rant. Upset after last night. UTG! |
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Post by gasgas3 on Jul 15, 2024 13:38:39 GMT
Quite right that we all have an opinion. Just saying that how can France, Italy, Spain, Germany win not just one, but multiple silverware in the last 60 years and we can’t win one in the same time.
All those teams have had their issues and coming and going of great players in that period and still won. Again not once but multiple times.
Those players mentioned have done well for their clubs. In an England shirt different story. Im pretty sure it’s a few years ago that we had an English BLD winner.
Just guess settling for the ordinary is acceptable. I’m sorry we just don’t produce team players, just individuals.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 15, 2024 13:44:05 GMT
Quite right that we all have an opinion. Just saying that how can France, Italy, Spain, Germany win not just one, but multiple silverware in the last 60 years and we can’t win one in the same time. All those teams have had their issues and coming and going of great players in that period and still won. Again not once but multiple times. Those players mentioned have done well for their clubs. In an England shirt different story. Im pretty sure it’s a few years ago that we had an English BLD winner. Just guess settling for the ordinary is acceptable. I’m sorry we just don’t produce team players, just individuals. We've made the last two Euro finals, surely that puts us in the top 2 or 3 of European sides at present? Looking at the squad we seem to have potentially even better players coming though. I'm not sure Academy's are the issue it's the total obsession with Premiership sides only signing foreign players. |
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Post by heartofgas on Jul 15, 2024 13:54:50 GMT
Quite right that we all have an opinion. Just saying that how can France, Italy, Spain, Germany win not just one, but multiple silverware in the last 60 years and we can’t win one in the same time. All those teams have had their issues and coming and going of great players in that period and still won. Again not once but multiple times. Those players mentioned have done well for their clubs. In an England shirt different story. Im pretty sure it’s a few years ago that we had an English BLD winner. Just guess settling for the ordinary is acceptable. I’m sorry we just don’t produce team players, just individuals. We've made the last two Euro finals, surely that puts us in the top 2 or 3 of European sides at present? Looking at the squad we seem to have potentially even better players coming though. I'm not sure Academy's are the issue it's the total obsession with Premiership sides only signing foreign players. I think if you look at the four tournaments that Southgate has managed us, is there a better performing team than our finishes. I think we do have technically competent and gifted players. there is one winner at international football every two years so the opportunities for success are limited. Of course we can always make improvements at grass roots level but I don't think currently our players are any less gifted than other nations. Southgate seemed to struggle with knowing the best team to play and as we all know, being too cautious. |
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