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Post by mrgasman on Sept 14, 2024 17:17:57 GMT
Or….. 6 games with his team……. At some point we have to trust a process or it’s another rebuild with another set of ideas and back room staff!! Some very good signings, some still adapting, some will fail. Ultimately we have a VERY young and inexperienced squad, the hope is they have time to grow together and become a force once that process evolves. UTG But in those 6 games this season, nothing has changed from last season under Matt Taylor.
If there was an obvious improvement in performance, or a philosophy or game plan that was evident, then maybe he'd get more leeway from some, myself included.
There isn't though.
A well run club would have a blueprint or philosophy through it, that no matter who the manager is, there needn't be much upheaval or disruption.
That's why Swansea previously, Bournemouth, Luton do so well for example.
Matt Taylor should be under huge pressure, he's spent big in comparison to us, bringing in Conteh, Promise, Sotiriou, Hutchinson, Shaq Forde etc and there has literally been zero improvement, I get they are a young bunch, but still there has been no real obvious progress, in terms of performance or results.
Didn’t he spunk the Rotherham budget on players as well that they didn’t rate? I rate most of what he’s bought apart from Hutchinson, he looks poor so far. |
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Post by Gas-Ed on Sept 14, 2024 17:24:18 GMT
But in those 6 games this season, nothing has changed from last season under Matt Taylor.
If there was an obvious improvement in performance, or a philosophy or game plan that was evident, then maybe he'd get more leeway from some, myself included.
There isn't though.
A well run club would have a blueprint or philosophy through it, that no matter who the manager is, there needn't be much upheaval or disruption.
That's why Swansea previously, Bournemouth, Luton do so well for example.
Matt Taylor should be under huge pressure, he's spent big in comparison to us, bringing in Conteh, Promise, Sotiriou, Hutchinson, Shaq Forde etc and there has literally been zero improvement, I get they are a young bunch, but still there has been no real obvious progress, in terms of performance or results.
Didn’t he spunk the Rotherham budget on players as well that they didn’t rate? I rate most of what he’s bought apart from Hutchinson, he looks poor so far. The fans at RUFC think he’s a complete idiot. |
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Post by William Wilson on Sept 14, 2024 17:27:47 GMT
Or….. 6 games with his team……. At some point we have to trust a process or it’s another rebuild with another set of ideas and back room staff!! Some very good signings, some still adapting, some will fail. Ultimately we have a VERY young and inexperienced squad, the hope is they have time to grow together and become a force once that process evolves. UTG But in those 6 games this season, nothing has changed from last season under Matt Taylor.
To be fair, I thought the two home games we`ve already played this season, were an improvement on the utter dross that we endured, during the last couple of months of last season. But today was abysmal. At times ( especially during the second half ) I couldn`t believe what I was watching. It was like we`d been sponsored to give the ball away. I think, people were too stunned even to make much of a vocal protest at the end. Just awful. |
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Post by gashead4ever on Sept 14, 2024 17:30:08 GMT
this is all on the manager i rate these players poor tactics 3 at the back is not working go 433 and attack teams
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Post by kruger on Sept 14, 2024 17:45:35 GMT
Bring back
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Post by kampucheagas on Sept 14, 2024 17:46:38 GMT
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Post by eric on Sept 14, 2024 17:46:50 GMT
That was quite simply men vs boys. Defence played well at first but under pressure from the off and literally no outlets. Eventually it started to tell. Not even vaguely competitive. Let's hope it's a blip but it is concerning as there appeared to be no game plan. At home and losing. Where was the effort to even try to have a go. The talent stuff and inept tactical is one thing but heart is another. This was awful and I am not ashamed to say I was one of the 30% that left with 20 to go. Makes the ST not too much value for money. sh**e Leaving 20 minutes early would normally mean you miss the worst of the traffic………not today. I bet the poor souls who stayed until the very end at least had the consolation of a quick journey home!! |
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Post by igotgas on Sept 14, 2024 17:49:08 GMT
I will never understand a manager who makes subs at half time.
He’s basically saying I can’t help you with any information or expectation and so I’ll just swap players and see if one’s better.
You rarely if ever see the best managers do it. It screams “I do t know how to improve this”.
The essence of managing / coaching would be to identify how that player can improve and how the team can improve by doing certain things better and then to give them the opportunity to carry that out.
We were ok first half. Two set piece disasters apart we were having the better of possession and weren’t far off being an even game.
I’d wage my last pound that if that’s 0-0 without the two corners they come in at half time and he’s quite happy.
That said, the changes and the change to formation just made no sense!!
I mean the formation change was worthwhile but whilst doing that he missed the opportunity to correct the problems we were having. It really isn’t that difficult….
LT is a winger isnt he? So for the first time this season he went to a formation that included wingers and he moved LT into the middle where he drowned in a sea of activity and players.
We were getting overrun in midfield so the opportunity was there to bring on Lindsay and play him alongside Conteh to shore it up a little whilst also giving the opportunity for the two wingers (LT and Sousa or Sinclair) and Hutchinson more freedom to attack. No he went with a midfield that with LT was even more wide open.
Soteriou was miles off it but he was kept on as a winger when we have LT and have just signed Forde who’s are …..wingers!!!
Promise was clearly not fit and looked all over the place…..but he’s intent on “developing the partnership” so persevering with it regardless but at the same time is not giving anyone in midfield time to develop their partnerships!!
Lastly…..a back three who to the layman have looked great blocking clearing and heading things…..and which no one seems to have noticed that’s because they give the ball away so bloody often it’s gonna just keep coming back!!!
We’re a team set up to fight and run and be attritious and yet we are castigating players for not showing creativity and attacking talent….
Not sure what anyone expects to be honest
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Sept 14, 2024 17:55:30 GMT
Let's be honest, we don't need to recall Ward. Griffiths is a good keeper who is having a bad day at the office. The rest of the team is more of a worry to me! Ward at fault today at FGR for Wealdstones equalizer today apparently. Wonder if the wealdstone ranger was there 🤪. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 14, 2024 17:57:30 GMT
I never saw that coming. I thought Wigan were there for the taking today but it seems we didn't bother to turn up. No need to panic (even though some are, of course) but very disappointing. Somebody posted on the Barnsley thread the first 20 mins were the worst he'd ever seen us play, today we managed to go through the whole match with players looking like they didn't have an interest. I've no idea what either GF or MT saw in Hutchinson as he looks a mirror image of Westbrook, OK if somebody else is doing the dirty work for him but totally useless if they aren't, Garrett also doesn't look physically up to L1 football, add to that we all know Ward is injury prone and so you do have to wonder who's supposed to be our main creative midfielder this season. What MT sees in Sinclair and MT is anybody's guess, when neither seem to do a lot during a match. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 14, 2024 18:00:31 GMT
Luckily the bottom 3 seem even worse. Unluckily there is another drop slot The only team we've outplayed this season looks like being this season's L1 whipping boys. As things stand we might have to wait until the 22 Oct for next win. |
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Post by kruger on Sept 14, 2024 18:01:32 GMT
anyone that knows me knows who I mean |
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Post by William Wilson on Sept 14, 2024 18:02:32 GMT
Hanging? Watney`s Red Barrel? Flared Trousers? |
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Post by neilv93 on Sept 14, 2024 18:03:18 GMT
People calling out the keeper for a bad day at the office like he isn't the one of the primary reasons we have 7 points on the board already. This forum is so reactionary, it blows my mind. We were crap today, picked up apart by a better team and lacksadaisical throughout - no disagreement. Calling for the managers head is hilarious, especially given the teams we've played so far. We're 14th, not 24th. He’s been our best player this season for sure. Has an off day and we concede four goals says it all. We were so bad all over the pitch it’s hard to single out one area but I do think that over the course of the the season so far Centre midfield is the biggest worry. Other than conteh we don’t seem to have anybody who knows what’s involved put of possession. Ward was in poor form and then got injured. Hutchinson reminds me of Westbrooke Garret same as Hutchinson Mc Cormick has been poor other than his loan season and that was years ago. The young lad I’ve forgotton his name looks more of an attacking player. That area is weak and has generally looked weak all season. Today we were poor all over the pitch but generally we’ve defended ok and we’ve scored a few with players still to find their feet new signings etc. But the midfield I’m very worried about. Not writing him off after a month but I do get the same impression so far, I must say. |
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Post by eric on Sept 14, 2024 18:07:20 GMT
Some people could see we were conceding way too many shots and corners and it was only a matter of time before a team punished us. The subs made no sense at half time. Take away the two corners and we’d had the lions share of possession and looked ok. He couldn’t wait to take Hutchinson off and get Sinclair on but no idea what he offered or what it changed. Sousa had done ok too. He had two forwards on bench and it was clear sotirou and Promise were all over the place and offering nothing yet they stayed on until it was too late and honestly I have no idea how LT has lasted another 90 mins. I’ve been boring the forum by constantly saying we shouldn’t be playing five at the back. I don’t like that formation generally and don’t think it will get the best out of the current squad - not just in terms of how we are defending and shipping loads of chances but also in being better set up to attack. I was told we had a really solid defence by some on here and that I was an idiot for suggesting a change (I wouldn’t change it as I’d have never used a back five in the first place 😁). I’ve never been a big fan of MT but having appointed him he deserved the chance to build his own team and be judged on that. That’s not changed and I wouldn’t advocate a change in manager now but he’s put himself under a lot of pressure with both today’s performance and that in the away games. I’m still adamant that his choice of formation is wrong but I’m not sure he is showing himself capable of getting a team well organised and set up to be hard to beat regardless of formation - is he getting enough help from his back room staff? I don’t expect much of a different result next week. No real positives I can see at the moment and just hope something will happen to change our fortunes but I’m not confident at the moment. Please prove me wrong MT. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 14, 2024 18:08:53 GMT
anyone that knows me knows who I mean Given he's now got three court cases to fight I sense he might be busy doing something else for the next few months. Moving on how could the owners dismiss Mangan and then replace him with MT, one was destined for Real Madrid, the other probably the dole queue. |
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Post by neilv93 on Sept 14, 2024 18:09:31 GMT
People calling out the keeper for a bad day at the office like he isn't the one of the primary reasons we have 7 points on the board already. This forum is so reactionary, it blows my mind. We were crap today, picked up apart by a better team and lacksadaisical throughout - no disagreement. Calling for the managers head is hilarious, especially given the teams we've played so far. We're 14th, not 24th. 39 points from 34 games Goals scored - 34 Goals against - 52 Its bottom of the table stuff since his appointment. I can't argue with those figures but as others have said - we've trusted him this summer. He's had 15 (?) new signings (an entirely new squad, basically!), a sizeable budget and an entire pre-season. We're 14th in the table and our losses were Barnsley (A), Stockport (A) and Wigan (H) - all teams that we'd expect to be above us come May and fighting for playoffs/promotion. Today was AWFUL. But not a single player or staff member can look in the mirror tonight and tell themselves they were at their best. It is not solely on Taylor today, the players were also abysmal. However, IF this trend continues then we'll be having a different discussion in November and I'll be changing my tune. Peterborough and Wycombe are winnable (albeit tough) games up next before Charlton and then Burton/Blackpool should be 4pts minimum. As it stands for me though it's a case of trust the process, back the players and back the manager. |
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Post by igotgas on Sept 14, 2024 18:22:15 GMT
I've no idea what either GF or MT saw in Hutchinson as he looks a mirror image of Westbrook, OK if somebody else is doing the dirty work for him but totally useless if they aren't, Garrett also doesn't look physically up to L1 football, add to that we all know Ward is injury prone and so you do have to wonder who's supposed to be our main creative midfielder this season. Surely the same can be said of LT? Miles off it again today and completely lost as the CAM yet completed another 90 mins. If a team isn’t set up to attack or retain possession or to be adventurous in its approach then how on earth are we expecting attacking players to have an influence? Players need to be given the ball with a plan and an intention otherwise everything’s a fight for the second ball or running back to their own goal not the other way. Personally I don’t think we’re getting anything like what we should be out of Thomas or Hutchinson and for that the blame has to lie with the manager. FWIW I thought first half showed a bit of promise. Once again if someone taps it in we go a goal up and Hutchinson has another assist. He can’t be accountable for a ball going across goal knee height without a touch! At half time we had 55% possession!! Hutchinson had the highest pass completion rate in the side! Being critical I felt he could’ve been braver instead of passing to Conteh on the edge of the box and could’ve driven forwards but opted to feed Thomas…both came to nothing as did a super pass into Promise who inexplicably chose to do a dummy to no one! What MT sees in Sinclair and MT is anybody's guess, when neither seem to do a lot during a match. Well this is a mystery!! Sinclair came on and touched the ball 10 times in 45 mins and contributed 5 accurate passes!! No idea based on the games so far what MT thought he’d contribute today. |
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Post by clockendgas on Sept 14, 2024 18:23:23 GMT
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Sept 14, 2024 18:25:40 GMT
this is all on the manager i rate these players poor tactics 3 at the back is not working go 433 and attack teams He’s sooo negative 😕💙 |
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