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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 28, 2024 21:16:45 GMT
To be fair if he said "I picked a side which would thrive if we went 1 or 2-0 up" you'd probably say what idiot thought we'd go in front when we've struggled to score all season? MT's starting 11 was OK, the problems occurred when they ran out of steam and the subs were far worse. Didn’t see that part as the article is so darn jumpy, thanks. I’m ok with him picking a side that would thrive at 1-0 up, but I didn’t see that either. Apart from the goal, we didn’t have a shot on target. In fact in the 2nd half we got torn apart by Wycombe 2nd team. And if that really were true, why’d he take them all off? Because after the subs came on we started conceding? The whole thing just feels like excuses to me. Really worried MT claimed he had to due to their fitness levels, we all know Ward is made of glass, Sousa & O'Donker only youngsters, why he had to make all 5 subs so quickly is questionable but if he'd waited they'd still all be on the pitch when we conceded the winner. This seems like a repeat of the BG season where even different managers couldn't get a tune out of the squad. I guess life is never dull supporting Rovers!! |
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Sept 28, 2024 21:18:51 GMT
If you've got a group of kids who freeze when they hear the first boo v a group of experienced pros who take no notice, then who would you pick? I doubt MT had any say in whether we signed kids or experienced pros this summer, if MT goes then his replacement will have the same issues. That’s the point though, Topps. I’m not convinced that they are that fragile. I think that’s a smokescreen to cover the fact that he genuinely doesn’t know how to motivate this squad, which formation to play, or who to play in which position. Totally agree. I think he seems to rush to overly quick judgements. He really doesn’t seem to trust Hutchinson for instance, and all the chopping and changing really doesn’t help. Conteh being dropped today surprised me, for instance. There’s also a certain amount of bad luck involved. Connor Taylor for instance is really laboured in his movement and I can only assume that Grant Ward is hampered by injury, as both are not the same players this year as previously. Saying the players can’t handle the Mem crowd is slightly odd given that we won our first two home games of the season. His statements have the risk of being a self-fulfilling prophecy whereas a good man-manager is building up those players and giving them the confidence and belief they need. Very worrying. |
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Post by stevek192 on Sept 28, 2024 21:27:21 GMT
The bloke is a fruad.He told us we would play a pressure game and what do we do? We play one up and he has to chase three other defenders just to get a site of the ball. Whatever team MT plays he plays the same way. Ok Barton wasnt goos but we regularily had 60-70 per cent possession. Now rarely get to 50 per cent
We need a Manager who hgas faith in himself to turn it around with a contract for THIS season ony. MT should never have been offered this long a contract.
The owners have no experience and it shows- they are a shambles.I am not in the Holloway camp but would accept for this season and see where it takes us because I have a very clear vision of where MT is taking us- and it is not very nice.
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Post by stevek192 on Sept 28, 2024 21:29:34 GMT
And it is not the [;ayers who cant handle the Mem-it is Taylor himself and nis style of football or lack of it.
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Sept 28, 2024 21:33:07 GMT
Jesus, this comment is not acceptable “I can't hide away from that fact that I picked a certain team to deal with a certain atmosphere today. If it stayed 0-0 or we'd be behind early on in the game, you need a certain type of profile out there who can probably handle it more.” So he was expecting us to go behind? He picks his team based on when we go behind? I’m a bit flabbergasted at this tbh. If he'd actually given out some tactics for the players to have a go at the crowd would have been up for it. Gasheads have always been behind players putting the effort in even if results went against us. Clearly knows nothing about the club. The mem has been known to be intimidating. For the away teams, We are the home team. The noise is a benefit not a hindrance |
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Post by tbonegas on Sept 28, 2024 21:45:56 GMT
Firmly as I dont like sacking Managers and think they deserve a fair run after todays performance i see a Manager who I am afraid doesnt have a clue what he is doing. Very little effort at playing attacking football- the same tactics just with a few different faces. Four defeats on the trot todays against a Wycombe side who to be frank were very ordinary but we showed no signs of pressurising as a team and as such pretty well allowed Wycombe the freedom of the park. The routine 5 substitutions that again just didnt work. I said at the end of last season that the key change in the summer would be an experienced keeper who controls his area and most importantly his defenders and the six yard box. Griffiths makes good saves but has no control ol of his six yard box the same as Jed Ward. Taylor IMO has no ideal as regards setting up as an attacking side and we always look like the away side whether we are home or away.Until we start to play attacking formation I do not see any hope of getting three points. The team need inspiration and I just cant see that in Matt Taylor. Today for me was the last straw as yet again I saw us beaten by a very avarage Wycombe team who I couldnt accuse of being their normal cheating selves- they didnt need to.The owners must take their share of the blame- sacking Barton was their first act but they now have a Manager who couldnt inspire anybody. Dull as dishwater and that is exactly represented by the football we play. Apart from your criticism of Griffiths, I agree.
The air has gone out of this Rovers team already and Taylor show no sign of improving things.
His criticism of Griffiths is not unjust. It is spot on. The bloke is ok at stopping point blank efforts, but his inability to command the area has cost us too many goals Is Jamal Blackman still on the free agent list? |
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Post by neilv93 on Sept 28, 2024 22:01:30 GMT
I’m not usually one to call for a sacking and I was an ardent Taylor defender - until today.
I went to the game with the intention of properly watching our play and tbf, first half was ok. But as the game progressed, we seemed to just lose more structure and ideas. There’s no style of play, no stability, no plan. Pointless and aimless cross-field switches to no one from Wilson and Taylor, useless ‘down the line for Donk to chase’ balls from the full backs and a non existent midfield again.
At this point, obviously he’ll get Charlton (it’s too soon) and probably Burton too but he needs a MINIMUM four points for me. I’d honestly be shocked if we got one.
Alex Neil, Ryan Lowe, Steven Schumacher, Gary Rowett, Leam Richardson - hell, even Gareth Ainsworth - all available. I think any of those would be able to do more with this squad.
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Post by 1950gas on Sept 28, 2024 22:03:23 GMT
Jesus, this comment is not acceptable “I can't hide away from that fact that I picked a certain team to deal with a certain atmosphere today. If it stayed 0-0 or we'd be behind early on in the game, you need a certain type of profile out there who can probably handle it more.” So he was expecting us to go behind? He picks his team based on when we go behind? I’m a bit flabbergasted at this tbh. If he'd actually given out some tactics for the players to have a go at the crowd would have been up for it. Gasheads have always been behind players putting the effort in even if results went against us. Clearly knows nothing about the club. The men has been known to be intimidating. For the away teams, We are the home team. The noise is a benefit not a hindrance Agree goalie is great at stopping shots but he doesn’t command the goal especially with corners . It’s now a given that opposition stand a man in front of him and push back and he’s totally out of the game.good goalies will be taking that Wycombe ball into box or punching away. Defenders must take blame as well for not protecting keeper. Belshaw never had that problem. Stoney UTG |
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Post by alanrg on Sept 28, 2024 22:27:54 GMT
Followed the gas for 60 years this is some of the worst football I have ever seen dull and uninspiring clueless manager Taylor out
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Sept 28, 2024 22:28:30 GMT
Jesus, this comment is not acceptable “I can't hide away from that fact that I picked a certain team to deal with a certain atmosphere today. If it stayed 0-0 or we'd be behind early on in the game, you need a certain type of profile out there who can probably handle it more.” So he was expecting us to go behind? He picks his team based on when we go behind? I’m a bit flabbergasted at this tbh. If he'd actually given out some tactics for the players to have a go at the crowd would have been up for it. Gasheads have always been behind players putting the effort in even if results went against us. Clearly knows nothing about the club. The men has been known to be intimidating. For the away teams, We are the home team. The noise is a benefit not a hindrance He’s just not a good fit for the gas !!! 🤢💙 |
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Post by gasify on Sept 28, 2024 22:49:22 GMT
Possibly a psychologist /psychiatrist is needed here. Yeah. I'll have one please. |
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Post by gasify on Sept 28, 2024 22:54:56 GMT
Who knows ? All I know is I won’t be getting a season ticket if we do get relegated. Forked out the best part of a grand this yr for tickets and Brfc tv , all to feel thoroughly miserable after every game . I totally agree, I've forked out a lot of money to watch Rovers this season and it's just not worth it. IMO the owners threw last season away by sacking Barton mid way through, only to bring this clown in and f the season up. He's been allowed to bring his players in now and it's just not working and it never will with him in charge as there's no pattern of play. There's no passion with him, he blames the players all the time and never shoulders the blame, especially when it's his decisions that are costing us points. He cannot connect with the fan base. In his pre and post match conferences he speaks with no clue and just says words to impress, he's Mr cliché with his comments. He needs to go ASAP So, a bit like Barton then? |
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Post by Qatar Gas on Sept 29, 2024 4:55:48 GMT
I said the other week he should get until the end of the year and see where we are. However, even I am starting to loose faith now.
I am incredibly worried about the next four games which I can see us loosing all four. At best we might get a point.
The problem for me though is it really just the manager that's the issue? Are they are really his players? I would love to know how much influence he actually had in signing any of them. It took the board ages to hire MT in the first place. Is that because none of the other half decent candidates actually wanted the job?
Just say he gets fired in the next couple of weeks. The usual names will be branded about, but can we actually attract anyone decent? I am not so sure. You would think any new manager will be told to work with the players already here and wont be allowed another complete overhaul in the summer.
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Post by William Wilson on Sept 29, 2024 6:05:35 GMT
Didn't attend the game today as I am overseas. We're we that bad today? I prefer fans perspective than the BP. First half we were good for the lead. Second half, we sat back In a "what we have we keep" kinda way. It was going to plan until the substitutions. I don`t think it was a conscious decision to sit back and try to preserve our lead. First half was fairly even; Wycombe were as poor as us, but one manager motivated his side at half time, and the other didn`t. Did we even touch the ball, during the first ten minutes of the second half? Hardly. Agree about the substitutions. They did nothing to improve things. |
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Post by William Wilson on Sept 29, 2024 6:08:59 GMT
0117 456789 taxi service! I called that number and it put me through to a very nice lady called Miss Whiplash. Did you have a spanking good evening? |
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Post by clovis on Sept 29, 2024 6:33:04 GMT
A few have said that the substitutions didn't improve the team. I wasn't there yesterday so can't comment but I was at the Cambridge match where we seemed to be in near total control until MT introduced 2 or 3 subs with about 10 minutes to go and suddenly we we looked dreadful. Cambridge hit the bar twice in the last few minutes.
That game reminded me of the BG era, as whatever subs he brought on made us worse.
I hope MT can turn us round soon, as who else would fancy taking the job?
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Post by igotgas on Sept 29, 2024 8:00:59 GMT
Apart from Peterborough I genuinely can’t remember the subs in any game improving us and I think that was more luck and circumstance than it was planned or tactical.
Even as far back as the glory days of Northampton and Rotherham he was making all 5 subs, 2/3 generally on or around the hour and using his third change to make all three remaining subs in one hit.
It like he thinks that being tactically astute or clever? I’ve got them so I need to use them mentality?
I can’t think of anything it improved in these games. More often it disrupts the game, it most definitely disrupts the player in the longer game (ie the next 2/3) due to loss of confidence and momentum and it’s without doubt led to a drop in fitness levels where most of our players (even on pre season) have yet to be asked to push their bodies physically beyond that mark and demand that bit extra when it’s needed.
It’s left players low of confidence and low on fitness and have no one any chance to grow.
MT spoke on the summer about not seeing the best of us until game 7/8….it gave the impression he saw us improving and gelling and that we’d improve as we learned about each other.
Well so far we’ve learned nothing and the players haven’t had a chance to gel.
You’d have to assume that when he picked an unchanged side for the first three games of the season that he felt that was his strongest line up.
4 points and two clean sheets wasn’t the worst and I’m not sure it warranted losing faith with. The Cambridge game only featured one change so it was again largely the same team and that was the last 3 points we gained.
From that point on it’s been the Hokey Cokey with one in one out and one on and one off at least every 60 mins of football, sometimes less.
This is where I said it was getting messy. He’s lost sight of the process and the improvement curve he anticipated around game 8 has vanished because half the team are still on game 1/2/3 or 4!!!
Players who have been chooped changed and in some case bombed from the squad at various points only to be recalled to start to then be left out again must be on their knees confidence wise and wondering where the hell they stand or what he wants from them.
It’s more than worrying because where do you go from there? Change again? Go back to what you considered strong on 10th August?
Either way it’s a restart in terms of the longer term process but every one else now has an 8 game head start.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 29, 2024 8:03:20 GMT
A few have said that the substitutions didn't improve the team. I wasn't there yesterday so can't comment but I was at the Cambridge match where we seemed to be in near total control until MT introduced 2 or 3 subs with about 10 minutes to go and suddenly we we looked dreadful. Cambridge hit the bar twice in the last few minutes. That game reminded me of the BG era, as whatever subs he brought on made us worse. I hope MT can turn us round soon, as who else would fancy taking the job? The difference is MT just seemed to panic yesterday, as there was no obvious need to bring on 5 subs in such a short space of time. Surely super fit Sinclair could have played 90 mins yesterday? Also playing McCormick as a striker/No 10 never seems to work at the Mem. |
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Sept 29, 2024 8:10:41 GMT
Famous quote:-
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Ok, scrap the word insanity but you get my point. My main concern is that in this case 'the same thing' is "not having an idea in the first place'
Mansell & Nik on radio Bristol post match summed it up perfectly and it's not rocket science.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 29, 2024 8:10:42 GMT
Apart from Peterborough I genuinely can’t remember the subs in any game improving us and I think that was more luck and circumstance than it was planned or tactical. Even as far back as the glory days of Northampton and Rotherham he was making all 5 subs, 2/3 generally on or around the hour and using his third change to make all three remaining subs in one hit. It like he thinks that being tactically astute or clever? I’ve got them so I need to use them mentality? I can’t think of anything it improved in these games. More often it disrupts the game, it most definitely disrupts the player in the longer game (ie the next 2/3) due to loss of confidence and momentum and it’s without doubt led to a drop in fitness levels where most of our players (even on pre season) have yet to be asked to push their bodies physically beyond that mark and demand that bit extra when it’s needed. It’s left players low of confidence and low on fitness and have no one any chance to grow. MT spoke on the summer about not seeing the best of us until game 7/8….it gave the impression he saw us improving and gelling and that we’d improve as we learned about each other. Well so far we’ve learned nothing and the players haven’t had a chance to gel. You’d have to assume that when he picked an unchanged side for the first three games of the season that he felt that was his strongest line up. 4 points and two clean sheets wasn’t the worst and I’m not sure it warranted losing faith with. The Cambridge game only featured one change so it was again largely the same team and that was the last 3 points we gained. From that point on it’s been the Hokey Cokey with one in one out and one on and one off at least every 60 mins of football, sometimes less. This is where I said it was getting messy. He’s lost sight of the process and the improvement curve he anticipated around game 8 has vanished because half the team are still on game 1/2/3 or 4!!! Players who have been chooped changed and in some case bombed from the squad at various points only to be recalled to start to then be left out again must be on their knees confidence wise and wondering where the hell they stand or what he wants from them. It’s more than worrying because where do you go from there? Change again? Go back to what you considered strong on 10th August? Either way it’s a restart in terms of the longer term process but every one else now has an 8 game head start. Perhaps he's just desperate not to get another dismissal on his CV? I guess this is what comes of going for an inexperienced manager rather than somebody like Steve Evans, although he's hardly doing much better, results wise, at Rotherham. I can't really have any complaints about yesterday's starting lineup, the concern was what happened after half time including the subs. Is it simply a case once Ward tires the whole team collapses? We were poor without him at Posh, unless once he left the field yesterday. Where's his replacement in the squad when he doesn't play, as neither McCormack, Garrett or Hutchinson are ever going to be Ward. |
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