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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 29, 2024 8:12:39 GMT
Famous quote:- Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Ok, scrap the word insanity but you get my point. My main concern is that in this case 'the same thing' is "not having an idea in the first place' Mansell & Nik on radio Bristol post match summed it up perfectly and it's not rocket science. Mansell hardly set Gloucester City alight and has never worked in management since he left them, so it can't be that easy?
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Sept 29, 2024 8:28:43 GMT
Famous quote:- Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Ok, scrap the word insanity but you get my point. My main concern is that in this case 'the same thing' is "not having an idea in the first place' Mansell & Nik on radio Bristol post match summed it up perfectly and it's not rocket science. Mansell hardly set Gloucester City alight and has never worked in management since he left them, so it can't be that easy? Agree but what he said was right. The team don't seem to know what their identity is. Overload parts of the pitch, wing play, diagonal switches, pass and move. What are we trying to achieve, Can someone tell me? We seem to be. 'Do what you want, it'll work eventually'
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Post by igotgas on Sept 29, 2024 8:36:16 GMT
Perhaps he's just desperate not to get another dismissal on his CV? This looks to me to be the case. He’s gripped with fear of losing as often in that situation if you’re fearful of losing you aren’t prepared to take the risk required to win. Is it simply a case once Ward tires the whole team collapses? We were poor without him at Posh, unless once he left the field yesterday. We’ll have to agree to disagree. Wards been poor and I can’t really find any meaningful contribution he’d made in any game to warrant continued selection. Where's his replacement in the squad when he doesn't play, as neither McCormack, Garrett or Hutchinson are ever going to be Ward. Honestly….? I’d play any of those three ahead of Ward. He doesn’t do enough defensively to outweigh their inclusions and all three offer more in possession and / or as a goal threat either by chance creation or shots.
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Post by tbonegas on Sept 29, 2024 8:39:43 GMT
Perhaps he's just desperate not to get another dismissal on his CV? This looks to me to be the case. He’s gripped with fear of losing as often in that situation if you’re fearful of losing you aren’t prepared to take the risk required to win. Is it simply a case once Ward tires the whole team collapses? We were poor without him at Posh, unless once he left the field yesterday. We’ll have to agree to disagree. Wards been poor and I can’t really find any meaningful contribution he’d made in any game to warrant continued selection. Where's his replacement in the squad when he doesn't play, as neither McCormack, Garrett or Hutchinson are ever going to be Ward. Honestly….? I’d play any of those three ahead of Ward. He doesn’t do enough defensively to outweigh their inclusions and all three offer more in possession and / or as a goal threat either by chance creation or shots. Ward offers nothing to the team whatsoever. He does not even warrant a place on the bench.
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Post by 1950gas on Sept 29, 2024 8:45:05 GMT
If he'd actually given out some tactics for the players to have a go at the crowd would have been up for it. Gasheads have always been behind players putting the effort in even if results went against us. Clearly knows nothing about the club. The men has been known to be intimidating. For the away teams, We are the home team. The noise is a benefit not a hindrance He’s just not a good fit for the gas !!! 🤢💙 Couldn’t agree more . I live in Oz and supported them for 67 yrs and yes I’ve not seen a worse performance especially in front of home crowd. People have accused Wycombe of playing hoof ball for years but yesterday we took on that roll. Wycombe just outplayed us full stop. TAYLOR is clueless and I would suggest Tuesday could be his last game. Stoney UTG
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Post by William Wilson on Sept 29, 2024 8:47:12 GMT
Apart from Peterborough I genuinely can’t remember the subs in any game improving us and I think that was more luck and circumstance than it was planned or tactical. Even as far back as the glory days of Northampton and Rotherham he was making all 5 subs, 2/3 generally on or around the hour and using his third change to make all three remaining subs in one hit. It like he thinks that being tactically astute or clever? I’ve got them so I need to use them mentality? I can’t think of anything it improved in these games. More often it disrupts the game, it most definitely disrupts the player in the longer game (ie the next 2/3) due to loss of confidence and momentum and it’s without doubt led to a drop in fitness levels where most of our players (even on pre season) have yet to be asked to push their bodies physically beyond that mark and demand that bit extra when it’s needed. It’s left players low of confidence and low on fitness and have no one any chance to grow. MT spoke on the summer about not seeing the best of us until game 7/8….it gave the impression he saw us improving and gelling and that we’d improve as we learned about each other. Well so far we’ve learned nothing and the players haven’t had a chance to gel. You’d have to assume that when he picked an unchanged side for the first three games of the season that he felt that was his strongest line up. 4 points and two clean sheets wasn’t the worst and I’m not sure it warranted losing faith with. The Cambridge game only featured one change so it was again largely the same team and that was the last 3 points we gained. From that point on it’s been the Hokey Cokey with one in one out and one on and one off at least every 60 mins of football, sometimes less. This is where I said it was getting messy. He’s lost sight of the process and the improvement curve he anticipated around game 8 has vanished because half the team are still on game 1/2/3 or 4!!! Players who have been chooped changed and in some case bombed from the squad at various points only to be recalled to start to then be left out again must be on their knees confidence wise and wondering where the hell they stand or what he wants from them. It’s more than worrying because where do you go from there? Change again? Go back to what you considered strong on 10th August? Either way it’s a restart in terms of the longer term process but every one else now has an 8 game head start. Perhaps he's just desperate not to get another dismissal on his CV? I guess this is what comes of going for an inexperienced manager rather than somebody like Steve Evans, although he's hardly doing much better, results wise, at Rotherham. I can't really have any complaints about yesterday's starting lineup, the concern was what happened after half time including the subs. Does this not come down to the manager? At half time, Bloomfield motivated and organised his side to step up a gear, and Taylor couldn`t.
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Post by skin01 on Sept 29, 2024 8:54:49 GMT
One shot on target at home to Wycombe
Enough is enough
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Post by kampucheagas on Sept 29, 2024 9:03:09 GMT
One shot on target at home to Wycombe Enough is enough That’s progress after Wigan!! UTG
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Post by gashead79 on Sept 29, 2024 9:32:48 GMT
Didn't attend the game today as I am overseas. We're we that bad today? I prefer fans perspective than the BP. We weren't that bad. However, we were at home against an under par Wycombe who were very unadventurous. They looked the better, more organised, slicker on the ball side from 15 minutes on. Our crowd was dead and the volume went up to 6 about 3 times, which tells you all you need. We almost stole a point until our poor organisation decided that Conte(I think) was the correct choice to mark Joe Low(all 6ft 3 of him) for a corner in the dying seconds. We are consistently poor, without an identity, minimal effort, terrible organisation, no fluidity to our play. We take 2 touches when 1 would do or 1 when there's time to think. There is zero leadership and no hero amongst the side. If this guy manages to turn this ship around, it will be a miracle so I'm very interested in what the owners and other influential people are thinking right now.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 29, 2024 9:35:17 GMT
Perhaps he's just desperate not to get another dismissal on his CV? I guess this is what comes of going for an inexperienced manager rather than somebody like Steve Evans, although he's hardly doing much better, results wise, at Rotherham. I can't really have any complaints about yesterday's starting lineup, the concern was what happened after half time including the subs. Does this not come down to the manager? At half time, Bloomfield motivated and organised his side to step up a gear, and Taylor couldn`t. I agree, perhaps Bloomfield had players who could step up and ours can't for some reason, hasn't it been virtually the same in L1 since GC quit, apart from the short promotion bounce under JB? We were even up and down, form wise, under AM. Perhaps Wael realised L1 was just too tough for us, as it's odd how he suddenly sold up having spent so much in recent seasons.
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Post by vaughan on Sept 29, 2024 9:36:55 GMT
Please study the evidence.
There is no discernible style of play. We are disjointed in attack. We must have the highest no of opposition touches in box - consistently over 30, which shows that we are easy to play against. We have 2 wins in 10 competitive matches this season. One against bottom side. The team spirit is poor - witnessed by body language yesterday. Crowds are down and the atmosphere is non-existent. We are in bottom 4 with claim from Manager that managers are judged by results.
The squad needs help. Yes, motivation, coaching and organisation. This staff does not have it.
Why would we keep Taylor, as apart from reluctance to make a change, I can not see any evidential justification to retain him.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Sept 29, 2024 10:06:52 GMT
As Robert Zimmerman once implied "how many rabbit holes must a manager go down before you can call it an end" surely even the most ardent virtue signaller has begun to question the wisdom of he who shall not be questioned ? noticeable many have wisely begun to wait until after the weekend before dropping perils of wisdom. "times they are changing" Utg
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Post by bradfordmeyerbiggs on Sept 29, 2024 10:12:50 GMT
First half was ok yesterday. Second half the pressure kicked in. The writing was on the wall and you could sense capitulation coming.
Reminds me of the previous rots setting in where nobody on the pitch wants to take responsibility and treat the ball like a hot potato.
How can Taylor turn that around? What is required is motivation and instilling belief in the players. If fans are completely underwhelmed with Taylor’s interviews how the hell is he going to motivate the players?
Seriously concerned that things need to change soon.
Depressing times trying to keep the faith.
UTG
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Post by rovers78 on Sept 29, 2024 10:21:14 GMT
Famous quote:- Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Ok, scrap the word insanity but you get my point. My main concern is that in this case 'the same thing' is "not having an idea in the first place' Mansell & Nik on radio Bristol post match summed it up perfectly and it's not rocket science. Mansell hardly set Gloucester City alight and has never worked in management since he left them, so it can't be that easy? He is crap on RB. Acts very high & mighty, says very little
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 29, 2024 10:25:20 GMT
Please study the evidence. There is no discernible style of play. We are disjointed in attack. We must have the highest no of opposition touches in box - consistently over 30, which shows that we are easy to play against. We have 2 wins in 10 competitive matches this season. One against bottom side. The team spirit is poor - witnessed by body language yesterday. Crowds are down and the atmosphere is non-existent. We are in bottom 4 with claim from Manager that managers are judged by results. The squad needs help. Yes, motivation, coaching and organisation. This staff does not have it. Why would we keep Taylor, as apart from reluctance to make a change, I can not see any evidential justification to retain him. MT signed a 3.5 year contract last December, so there's 2.5 years left, I've no idea how sacked managers are compensated but that's a lot of money to pay out if we are also still paying JB until December, for at least 3 months we could be paying 3 difference managers!! Employing a replacement to work with MT's players is no guarantee of success The first 45 mins yesterday were at least an improvement on the Wigan & Posh first half performances. It's pointless dismissing him today as it's unlikely Carlise will do any better on Tuesday, unless the board already have somebody lined up.
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Post by Kipper on Sept 29, 2024 10:40:08 GMT
The experienced Steve Cotterel is now being touted as a good replacement for Matt Taylor!
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Post by peterhooper57 on Sept 29, 2024 10:41:16 GMT
Opening home gate of season v Cobblers a lowly 8529, four home games later v Chairboys gate down by 8.4% (7814), about sums up what the walk up think atm.
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Post by wertongas on Sept 29, 2024 10:44:14 GMT
When Barton was sacked part of the reason given by the owners was that results were not good enough , well we gave Managan a chance, results improved but performances didn't. Brought in Taylor and things have got worse. Barton was sacked after two consecutive home games, well we have the same situation again. how much patience have our owners got. Another defeat on Tuesday and Taylor maybe gone. Yesterday our best player was Ward , he shadowed their attackers throughout the time he was on the pitch and for all of Wycombe's dominance they could not find a way through, until he was taken off and gaps appeared, the Manager said he wasn't fit enough to stay on the pitch for ninety minutes, doesn't say much for the rest of the team when an unfit player is the best player on the pitch. BY the way also thought Sinclair did well.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 29, 2024 11:18:05 GMT
Opening home gate of season v Cobblers a lowly 8529, four home games later v Chairboys gate down by 8.4% (7814), about sums up what the walk up think atm. TBH 8.4% from an opening day fixture to one of the least attractive teams in L1 isn't too bad a drop? I doubt it would be much different if we were mid table.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 29, 2024 11:19:30 GMT
When Barton was sacked part of the reason given by the owners was that results were not good enough , well we gave Managan a chance, results improved but performances didn't. Brought in Taylor and things have got worse. Barton was sacked after two consecutive home games, well we have the same situation again. how much patience have our owners got. Another defeat on Tuesday and Taylor maybe gone. Yesterday our best player was Ward , he shadowed their attackers throughout the time he was on the pitch and for all of Wycombe's dominance they could not find a way through, until he was taken off and gaps appeared, the Manager said he wasn't fit enough to stay on the pitch for ninety minutes, doesn't say much for the rest of the team when an unfit player is the best player on the pitch. BY the way also thought Sinclair did well. Tuesday is probably vital as if we lose again can they risk another defeat at Burton?
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