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Post by socrates on Oct 6, 2024 3:50:39 GMT
So we have 13 points after 10 games. We have only had more points after ten games, twice in the last 12 years and one of those years was in non-league! Barton never had that many points after ten games, even when we were in League 2. DC never had that many points after ten games in League 2 or league 1. So, has this season been as bad as make are saying? If you take out September, we would be flying🤣. In August and October 4 wins, 1 draw and 1 defeat. 4 defeats out of 4 in September! Still a lot of work to do, but not as bad as many are making out. Unsustainable anti-football View AttachmentHave you got those stats for the last two games please ?
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Post by pirate on Oct 6, 2024 4:01:52 GMT
Have you got those stats for the last two games please ?
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Post by RD on Oct 6, 2024 5:53:01 GMT
People forgetting we also had a very difficult start in terms of the teams we had to play. For me, it's not been brilliant but the OP makes a great point and it's still early days. Let's see if we can kick on now we have a couple of wins under our belts. A bit of confidence may see us have a bit more belief to attack etc. Definitely deserves more time.
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Post by RD on Oct 6, 2024 5:58:12 GMT
So we have 13 points after 10 games. We have only had more points after ten games, twice in the last 12 years and one of those years was in non-league! Barton never had that many points after ten games, even when we were in League 2. DC never had that many points after ten games in League 2 or league 1. So, has this season been as bad as make are saying? If you take out September, we would be flying🤣. In August and October 4 wins, 1 draw and 1 defeat. 4 defeats out of 4 in September! Still a lot of work to do, but not as bad as many are making out. Unsustainable anti-football View AttachmentSo things have improved then. Reality is we are 18th so I'd expect to see us around the same position in each of those tables - so no surprise. As we climb the table, we'll likely climb those mini tables too. We've had some tough games to start with and are finding our way as a brand new group of players, so after some poor starts, we're now climbing the league and climbing those charts.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Oct 6, 2024 7:05:49 GMT
So 1.3 PPG (points per game)so far. Multiply by 46 is 59.8 points come end of the season. Wycombe finished 10th last season on 60 points.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 6, 2024 8:03:45 GMT
There are two issues at play, we seem to have had a tough start to the season, probably yesterday was the first away game we were expected not to lose, and it also takes time for new players to settle in, probably particularly youngsters like Hutchinson and Garrett who are not used to moving to new clubs and cities.
Pirate has now gone full blown anti MT but his suggested replacement has hardly set Crawley alight, as they've lost their first two games under Rob Elliott and apparently put in their worst performance of the season yesterday.
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Post by lympstonegas on Oct 6, 2024 8:13:47 GMT
So we have 13 points after 10 games. We have only had more points after ten games, twice in the last 12 years and one of those years was in non-league! Barton never had that many points after ten games, even when we were in League 2. DC never had that many points after ten games in League 2 or league 1. So, has this season been as bad as make are saying? If you take out September, we would be flying🤣. In August and October 4 wins, 1 draw and 1 defeat. 4 defeats out of 4 in September! Still a lot of work to do, but not as bad as many are making out. Dont get me wrong , Im happy as Larry tonight , but 4 wins against absolute crap. We normally lose against the absolute crap or teams that haven’t won for ages
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Post by nickchippenhamgas on Oct 6, 2024 8:19:27 GMT
I said that we're probably a squad capable of being 12-16th this year based on how many new players there are, how long it takes to gel the squad and also given we have some proper money bags in this division which we can't compete with. So far, it's proving to be about accurate. Averaging 1.3 points per game so far, which equates to 60pts over 46 games. Last season we finished 14th with 57 points. In 22/23 we finished 17th with 53 points. Over the last ten years in L1, 60 points gets you an average finish of 13.2. We are an average team producing average results. I’m also not buying the weird logic of ‘we only beat the crap teams’… well duh! We’re better than the crop but worse than the cream. I fully expect us to beat Northampton, Cambridge and Burton (Charlton a nice minor anomaly). I expect us to lose to Peterborough, Stockport and Barnsley. Come on lads, let’s have a little perspective ffs. I would take 60 points and 13th right now if offered it. And most of you would too. Exactly what I was thinking I’d be happy with 60 points this season 16 or 17 wins see improvement in performance even in defeat (we had that to some extent against Wycombe) Then see what we can do next season, I still think as a club we are about the length of time it will take to fully renovate the ground away from championship football myself. Pass the string for me to measure how long it is UTG
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Post by GasHeadBlues on Oct 6, 2024 8:27:28 GMT
Have we had a difficult start to the season? Has the fixture list been unkind over the first 10 games?
Well, we have so far played none of the clubs in the top 4 league positions but both of the bottom 2.
The average league position of the 10 teams played so far is 14.3 (14.4 at home, 14.2 away).
Not quite the difficult start some have suggested.
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Post by daniel300380 on Oct 6, 2024 8:29:16 GMT
Only stat I care about is 1.3 points per game and during the last two games is 6 points and 6 goals! Under Coughlan we didn't have much of the ball, but were doing okay. Under Garner we used to pass the ball around the back needlessly without a purpose. So we might have had good possession stats, we might have had a lot of successful passes but they were all in our own third. We didn't have a right back for all of September and lost every game. We still have Martin to come back, who is our main goal scorer. I would have took this many points at this stage and I will definitely take 60 points at the end of the season. This was always going to be a season of building.
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Post by daniel300380 on Oct 6, 2024 8:33:36 GMT
Have we had a difficult start to the season? Has the fixture list been unkind over the first 10 games? Well, we have so far played none of the clubs in the top 4 league positions but both of the bottom 2. The average league position of the 10 teams played so far is 14.3 (14.4 at home, 14.2 away). Not quite the difficult start some have suggested. Not necessarily the position of the teams. When was the last times we won at Peterborough and Barnsley? When we played at Stockport they hadn't lost at home for ages and were top at the time. Wycombe were in the middle of a great run, even we played them and I think I read they had scored two goals in every game. Like you say, we have played teams near the bottom and we always seem to beat Charlton lately! So a mixed start.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Oct 6, 2024 8:35:30 GMT
We’ve rebuilt the team entirely.
Last few times we’ve done that it has taken a while for us to settle down.
Occasionally, it has resulted in a Garner style season. When we had Garner I was in the get him out now camp. That was due to the way the previous season ended. Similar to the way it did under Garner, Matt has had a poor time taking over from his predecessor, however Garner had a successful side he took ownership of - probably the most successful since 2001 - and Matt a side who were struggling to get a rhythm together. Not bad but not great. Garner was never going to work and we were right to sack him but we did sh** the bed. Our problem was we didn’t sack him when we should have because of Covid and a delusion at managerial level.
However on most other occasions we’d have been asking for the managers head. Again normally I’d have started to have twitchy feet. However the previous examples had the manager taking over from a lost cause. But at this stage of the season we’d end up finding our feet and going on a massive run to achieve something that we will be talking about for decades.
Matt’s situation is less extreme as he was able to steer us to safety even if it was painful at the time but it has more of an air of DC / JB than Ben Garner.
Now is not the time to sh** the bed. Good things are coming with this squad. It might not be the perfect season and Rich’s bus may stay in the garage but the last two games demonstrate we’re starting to find our rhythm.
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Post by woolavingtonpirate on Oct 6, 2024 9:32:49 GMT
One thing I can see from this team is that we are set up to stop teams playing. If we can do that, then we stand a chance of beating anyone, if we don't then we will get thrashed like the Wigan game. Ironically roles were reversed yesterday, with Burton changing to more of a passing game and us to more of their style last season. We are a team in transition, but for me the positive is that we seem capable of scoring, which was the main concern before the season started.
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Post by stevek192 on Oct 6, 2024 9:37:39 GMT
I dont go along with this weve only beaten crap teams as it can also be how we have played on the day. In truth we have played very similar in most games and have been in the game in most games this season except Wigan- even Wigan we could and should have been 2-0 up and if we had of been would probably have 3 more points now and would be saying Wigan were crap too. Goals change games. I actually think Wycombe were the poorest side we have played and yet we lost 2-1. Burton actually didnt look that bad until we scored.Goals give confidence and so much about how you play depends on that confidence both in the team and individuals. A player who scored 12 goals last season in league 2 with loads of assists does not suddenly become a bad player. Hutchison will i am sure come good given a run of games.Confidence will make these players better and the results would improve if this occurs and our assessment of the Manager with it. I expect Birmingham fans are thinking today that Charlton are as good as any team in this division yet we think they are crap. We have missed some very easy chances in the games we have lost and had we taken those chances the confidence in those games would have increased and the poor goals conceded may not have occured. This is the game of football- it is not the amount of possession you have had or the number of corners or in fact whether you have played good or bad- it is the final result and that will never change.
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 6, 2024 9:44:38 GMT
Some interesting views in this thread and nice to see some stats, although I am cautious about stats after so few games in a dynamic system. Not sure that calling people names and continuing the trend of dividing support is particularly helpful, although this is standard practice on here it seems.
From what I've seen, we are a very poor side. Winning the odd game against equally poor sides does not convince me that our management and organisation is any good. I'm grateful of the points and hope we finish in a safe position but there's been nothing so far to suggest we are anywhere near competent. The good news i guess is that with so many areas to improve, we have potential to become a decent team.
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Post by William Wilson on Oct 6, 2024 10:44:17 GMT
From what I've seen, we are a very poor side. Winning the odd game against equally poor sides does not convince me that our management and organisation is any good. I'm grateful of the points and hope we finish in a safe position but there's been nothing so far to suggest we are anywhere near competent. The good news i guess is that with so many areas to improve, we have potential to become a decent team. Can`t agree with that. From what I`ve seen, we have the making of a decent side. As to whether Taylor is capable of getting the best out of them? I`m still not convinced about that one. But 2 wins is 2 wins, so I hope he proves me wrong, and the run continues.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 6, 2024 11:08:08 GMT
Have we had a difficult start to the season? Has the fixture list been unkind over the first 10 games? Well, we have so far played none of the clubs in the top 4 league positions but both of the bottom 2. The average league position of the 10 teams played so far is 14.3 (14.4 at home, 14.2 away). Not quite the difficult start some have suggested. I doubt any Rovers fans would consider away fixtures at newly promoted Stockport, Rotherham, Barnsley and Peterborough were anything but difficult fixtures and we rarely now avoid defeat to Wycombe. The only really disappointing result was at home to Wigan but even they haven't lost since they played us and they beat Peterborough 3-0 on Tuesday.
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 6, 2024 11:26:24 GMT
From what I've seen, we are a very poor side. Winning the odd game against equally poor sides does not convince me that our management and organisation is any good. I'm grateful of the points and hope we finish in a safe position but there's been nothing so far to suggest we are anywhere near competent. The good news i guess is that with so many areas to improve, we have potential to become a decent team. Can`t agree with that.  From what I`ve seen, we have the making of a decent side. As to whether Taylor is capable of getting the best out of them?   I`m still not convinced about that one. But 2 wins is 2 wins, so I hope he proves me wrong, and the run continues. Perhaps my wording isn't clear as I agree with you. We do have the makings of a good side, put we play like a poor one. The players aren't the issue, it's the management and style of play(or lack of) which is my issue.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Oct 6, 2024 11:48:44 GMT
Have we had a difficult start to the season? Has the fixture list been unkind over the first 10 games? Well, we have so far played none of the clubs in the top 4 league positions but both of the bottom 2. The average league position of the 10 teams played so far is 14.3 (14.4 at home, 14.2 away). Not quite the difficult start some have suggested. But we have played Rotherham, Barnsley, Stockport and Peterborough away who are all teams you’d expect to be up there come the business end of the season.
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Post by keygas on Oct 6, 2024 11:55:29 GMT
Whilst I would agree we’re along away from being a good side, at least there are a few things that are encouraging, we are starting to creat chances & have now a few striking options to convert them unlike last season when we basically relied on only Chris Martin. Grant Ward is a quality midfielder at this level & really needs to play if fit, as our midfield operates so much better when he’s there, as yesterday showed with his goal & 2 assists. Defence is still a worry, still getting caught out with high balls into the area, hopefully that can be ironed out at the training ground in the coming weeks. Our next league match at Huddersfield will be more of a judge of where we are at the moment, let’s hope we start the game on the front foot & have a real go at them, after all Northampton won there the other week.
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