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Post by bluegas on Oct 20, 2024 9:39:55 GMT
Are we going to have a cycle of several losses with very bad performances followed by the odd backs to wall ugly win that keeps enabling to stay in his job? He sets his teams up so negatively, it’s hard to watch and the players are drained of confidence. Is that really going to change with simply the odd home win to keep us interested? He was poor last season. Most have given him a chance with his own players this season. I’ve never taken to him and always had a bad feeling of how it would turn out under MT. There just doesn’t seem any point in carrying on with him imo. You've accurately articulated my thoughts. It's not a case of 'hating' or 'disliking' MT - I accepted him at the start and hoped he would be a success. But I too couldn't help feeling he didn't ring true.
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Post by playtowin on Oct 20, 2024 10:09:59 GMT
If the statement of "if he wins he stays if he loses he goes " is used . It suggests that there is no faith in a managers abilities and that its just kicking the can down the road. You either have confidence in a manager or not. If you do have confidence the result doesnt matter so much. If you lack confidence then a replacement is needed as soon as possible.
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Post by mftc on Oct 20, 2024 10:50:09 GMT
This is definitely a not lose game.
We need to get behind the team. The Shrews are definitely beatable, but our confidence is low.
First goal is really important.
If Promise and Ward can't start, I would look to Hutch (hopefully the goal will be a bit of a conference boost - is he now joint too scorer in all comps?), Ruel and Shaq with Scotty on the bench, along with Anthony(only seen him twice but think he may have that attack minded approach which could create chances).
Oh and at corners, I would leave two players up.
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Post by GasAttacK on Oct 20, 2024 10:55:50 GMT
I think we'll lose on Tuesday and Taylor will be sacked, either after the game or Wednesday morning.
Shrewsbury scored 5 in their last away game at Crawley, and actually looked the better team for large parts of their game against Exeter, despite losing 2-0.
They're not a great team, but I still think they'll win a scrappy game, probably 1-2.
I hope I'm wrong about the result, but regardless, I do now think it's time for a change of manager. I can't get over how poor we were in the first half yesterday.
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Post by greciangas on Oct 20, 2024 11:17:02 GMT
I think we'll lose on Tuesday and Taylor will be sacked, either after the game or Wednesday morning. Shrewsbury scored 5 in their last away game at Crawley, and actually looked the better team for large parts of their game against Exeter, despite losing 2-0. They're not a great team, but I still think they'll win a scrappy game, probably 1-2. I hope I'm wrong about the result, but regardless, I do now think it's time for a change of manager. I can't get over how poor we were in the first half yesterday. Yes, I think Shrewsbury are better than their league position implies. I watched the Exeter game and despite winning 2-0 Exeter had a lot of defending and great saves to keep them out in the first half. Marquis and Rossiter both having shots. They probably shouldve had a penalty when Ryan Woods blocked a shot with his arm! Exeter's second was probably offside as well. As an Exeter fan i was delighted with the 2-0 win but I think they may be tough opposition on tues. Their other defeats have been to Wrexham, Mansfield,Stockport,Charlton and Brum.
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Post by pirate on Oct 20, 2024 13:27:42 GMT
We'll kick the can down the road by scraping a win and the agony of watching this abysmal football will be prolonged sadly.
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Post by socrates on Oct 20, 2024 14:13:27 GMT
We'll kick the can down the road by scraping a win and the agony of watching this abysmal football will be prolonged sadly. Or we’ll win, find ourselves closer to the play offs than the relegation spots and most will be happy. But not all obviously because some prefer relegation scraps whilst trying to play tika taka because it’s great football just like the Prem.
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Post by pirate on Oct 20, 2024 14:29:33 GMT
We'll kick the can down the road by scraping a win and the agony of watching this abysmal football will be prolonged sadly. Or we’ll win, find ourselves closer to the play offs than the relegation spots and most will be happy. But not all obviously because some prefer relegation scraps whilst trying to play tika taka because it’s great football just like the Prem. Papering over the cracks. We can all see this isn't working for Taylor and only you have mentioned tika taka. We aren't even very good at going longer and depending on which site you look at, we are either 17th (fotmob) or 23rd (sofascore) for accurate long balls per 90. What are we actually good at under Taylor, because I'm not seeing anything? Delusional for anyone expecting players to be developed properly, when in games like yesterday we can only manage a pathetic 67 accurate passes in 45 minutes of football. Truly dreadful stuff.
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Post by mrgasman on Oct 20, 2024 15:18:20 GMT
We'll kick the can down the road by scraping a win and the agony of watching this abysmal football will be prolonged sadly. Or we’ll win, find ourselves closer to the play offs than the relegation spots and most will be happy. But not all obviously because some prefer relegation scraps whilst trying to play tika taka because it’s great football just like the Prem. What a pathetic post 😂. Many and I mean MANY can see this isn’t working with Taylor.
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Post by yattongas on Oct 20, 2024 15:29:25 GMT
Or we’ll win, find ourselves closer to the play offs than the relegation spots and most will be happy. But not all obviously because some prefer relegation scraps whilst trying to play tika taka because it’s great football just like the Prem. What a pathetic post 😂. Many and I mean MANY can see this isn’t working with Taylor. Yes , but because it’s not working now doesn’t mean it can’t work in the near future.
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Post by Gassy on Oct 20, 2024 15:38:36 GMT
If the statement of "if he wins he stays if he loses he goes " is used . It suggests that there is no faith in a managers abilities and that its just kicking the can down the road. You either have confidence in a manager or not. If you do have confidence the result doesnt matter so much. If you lack confidence then a replacement is needed as soon as possible. No it doesn't, and its a bit small minded to tell a bunch of fans that their opinion is wrong or invalid. For me its win or he's gone. I want to give the manager as much time as possible with his own team, I don't believe a new manager will improve much and a lot of these players came here under his leadership. Changing manager is unlikely to fix anything and we'll be saying how the new boss needs their own squad.. rinse and repeat. If you look at Exeter last season, their manager was losing games 7-0 and the board even put out a statement saying that he has to improve or he's gone. Now look at them fly. With our budget, crowds and new team, I'd be content with a 15th placed finish. But there needs to be a clear distinction betweem the bottom teams and us. So far, the bottom teams we've faced, we've been better. But if we can't beat Shrewsbury at home then sadly I'll no longer have the belief that MT can keep us above the relegation teams and that change would perhaps be needed. Win on Tuesday and we've picked up 9 from 12, we'd be 15/16th and 8 points above relegation with a game in hand. That'd give us 16 points from 11 games, carry that on over the season and we'd have 66 points. The only time we've got more than 66 points in the last 8 years is when we were promoted from L2. In fact, the last time we had more than 66 points and weren't promoted that season was in 97/98. Win on Tuesday and perhaps the world isn't actually going to end...
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Post by mrgasman on Oct 20, 2024 16:00:16 GMT
What a pathetic post 😂. Many and I mean MANY can see this isn’t working with Taylor. Yes , but because it’s not working now doesn’t mean it can’t work in the near future. He’s had long enough and won’t be given much longer. Taylor has got 43 points from a possible 117. Says it all.
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Post by yattongas on Oct 20, 2024 16:50:47 GMT
Yes , but because it’s not working now doesn’t mean it can’t work in the near future. He’s had long enough and won’t be given much longer. Taylor has got 43 points from a possible 117. Says it all. Obvs , if he doesn’t improve things he will go. If we win tues that’s 9/12 points. You don’t sack managers for that.
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Post by mrgasman on Oct 20, 2024 16:59:36 GMT
He’s had long enough and won’t be given much longer. Taylor has got 43 points from a possible 117. Says it all. Obvs , if he doesn’t improve things he will go. If we win tues that’s 9/12 points. You don’t sack managers for that. I’m glad you aren’t the decision maker on that. We’d be in dire states.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 20, 2024 17:18:33 GMT
Obvs , if he doesn’t improve things he will go. If we win tues that’s 9/12 points. You don’t sack managers for that. I’m glad you aren’t the decision maker on that. We’d be in dire states. Unless the owners have money to burn why would they sack MT if he does take 9/12 pts?
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Post by mrgasman on Oct 20, 2024 17:33:50 GMT
I’m glad you aren’t the decision maker on that. We’d be in dire states. Unless the owners have money to burn why would they sack MT if he does take 9/12 pts? Because topper, if he manages to get 3 points from a relegation place side he will go on to loose against Reading away, we will more than likely be turned over by Exeter at home, then it’s onto Lincoln at home…. But we could give him until Crawley which we should win that could buy him more time again - then we move onto Leyton orient, Bolton and Birmingham and well into December and in a relegation battle 😬😬😬… but yes, let’s keep the guy in charge 👍
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Post by madridgas on Oct 20, 2024 17:59:55 GMT
If the statement of "if he wins he stays if he loses he goes " is used . It suggests that there is no faith in a managers abilities and that its just kicking the can down the road. You either have confidence in a manager or not. If you do have confidence the result doesnt matter so much. If you lack confidence then a replacement is needed as soon as possible. No it doesn't, and its a bit small minded to tell a bunch of fans that their opinion is wrong or invalid. For me its win or he's gone. I want to give the manager as much time as possible with his own team, I don't believe a new manager will improve much and a lot of these players came here under his leadership. Changing manager is unlikely to fix anything and we'll be saying how the new boss needs their own squad.. rinse and repeat. If you look at Exeter last season, their manager was losing games 7-0 and the board even put out a statement saying that he has to improve or he's gone. Now look at them fly. With our budget, crowds and new team, I'd be content with a 15th placed finish. But there needs to be a clear distinction betweem the bottom teams and us. So far, the bottom teams we've faced, we've been better. But if we can't beat Shrewsbury at home then sadly I'll no longer have the belief that MT can keep us above the relegation teams and that change would perhaps be needed. Win on Tuesday and we've picked up 9 from 12, we'd be 15/16th and 8 points above relegation with a game in hand. That'd give us 16 points from 11 games, carry that on over the season and we'd have 66 points. The only time we've got more than 66 points in the last 8 years is when we were promoted from L2. In fact, the last time we had more than 66 points and weren't promoted that season was in 97/98. Win on Tuesday and perhaps the world isn't actually going to end... I'm with you here. I'm not sure how much the owners listen to the fans, or care about them, but i'm fairly sure they care about money. If MT is getting us good enough results to keep us up, and 16 points from 11 games would certainly be on track for that I don't think they would be looking to pay (what £300k+ to pay off MT, WC, SB) off the management team. What I do think they'd do, if it does click by Xmas is sell off a player or players, without worrying about the impact on the team, if a good profit can be made. So imagine Promise (currently on 3 assists and two goals) gets to 10 goals and 8 assists, we are on 30+ points and he is sold for £1m+ Melt down time ??
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Post by socrates on Oct 20, 2024 18:00:43 GMT
Obvs , if he doesn’t improve things he will go. If we win tues that’s 9/12 points. You don’t sack managers for that. I’m glad you aren’t the decision maker on that. We’d be in dire states. Is that somewhere in America ?
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Post by yattongas on Oct 20, 2024 18:03:29 GMT
Obvs , if he doesn’t improve things he will go. If we win tues that’s 9/12 points. You don’t sack managers for that. I’m glad you aren’t the decision maker on that. We’d be in dire states. You’d sack a manager who got 9 points out of 12 ? 😂 ok mate 🙄
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Post by socrates on Oct 20, 2024 18:07:14 GMT
Unless the owners have money to burn why would they sack MT if he does take 9/12 pts? Because topper, if he manages to get 3 points from a relegation place side he will go on to loose against Reading away, we will more than likely be turned over by Exeter at home, then it’s onto Lincoln at home…. But we could give him until Crawley which we should win that could buy him more time again - then we move onto Leyton orient, Bolton and Birmingham and well into December and in a relegation battle 😬😬😬… but yes, let’s keep the guy in charge 👍 And who are we going to get in who can do better with someone else’s signings ? This idea of sack the manager who’s been here a year , kept us up with someone else’s players last season , has had the clubs best two players sold from underneath him and had an ok start because a fan has a crystal ball and can foresee the future is bizarre to say the least and I can’t see the board buying in to it but why don’t you email them and tell them your premonition before it’s too late.
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