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Post by socrates on Oct 20, 2024 18:08:46 GMT
Or we’ll win, find ourselves closer to the play offs than the relegation spots and most will be happy. But not all obviously because some prefer relegation scraps whilst trying to play tika taka because it’s great football just like the Prem. What a pathetic post 😂. Many and I mean MANY can see this isn’t working with Taylor. People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones Mr Gasman. |
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Post by mrgasman on Oct 20, 2024 18:27:23 GMT
Because topper, if he manages to get 3 points from a relegation place side he will go on to loose against Reading away, we will more than likely be turned over by Exeter at home, then it’s onto Lincoln at home…. But we could give him until Crawley which we should win that could buy him more time again - then we move onto Leyton orient, Bolton and Birmingham and well into December and in a relegation battle 😬😬😬… but yes, let’s keep the guy in charge 👍 And who are we going to get in who can do better with someone else’s signings ? This idea of sack the manager who’s been here a year , kept us up with someone else’s players last season , has had the clubs best two players sold from underneath him and had an ok start because a fan has a crystal ball and can foresee the future is bizarre to say the least and I can’t see the board buying in to it but why don’t you email them and tell them your premonition before it’s too late. Then keep him and watch the gate numbers decrease. Great idea 😱. As for the crystal ball, anyone with a bit of sense can see there are issues there. As for this “ someone else’s signings” don’t give me that rubbish. Graham coughlan did a good enough job with someone else’s signings, darrel Clarke did a good job with Cheltenham with someone else’s signings, granted they got relegated by 1 point but had the board acted sooner they’d have stayed up. Let’s go up the ladder a bit Enzo Maresca for Chelsea, not his players but he seems to have improved the team a lot since arriving. I’m sorry to offend you by not being a fan of Taylor but I’m pretty sure the excuses are running out with many. “ keep him on” says Socrates 🤭🤭🤭. |
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Post by socrates on Oct 20, 2024 18:32:53 GMT
And who are we going to get in who can do better with someone else’s signings ? This idea of sack the manager who’s been here a year , kept us up with someone else’s players last season , has had the clubs best two players sold from underneath him and had an ok start because a fan has a crystal ball and can foresee the future is bizarre to say the least and I can’t see the board buying in to it but why don’t you email them and tell them your premonition before it’s too late. Then keep him and watch the gate numbers decrease. Great idea 😱. As for the crystal ball, anyone with a bit of sense can see there are issues there. As for this “ someone else’s signings” don’t give me that rubbish. Graham coughlan did a good enough job with someone else’s signings, darrel Clarke did a good job with Cheltenham with someone else’s signings, granted they got relegated by 1 point but had the board acted sooner they’d have stayed up. Let’s go up the ladder a bit Enzo Maresca for Chelsea, not his players but he seems to have improved the team a lot since arriving. I’m sorry to offend you by not being a fan of Taylor but I’m pretty sure the excuses are running out with many. “ keep him on” says Socrates 🤭🤭🤭. Yeah keep him on for now, you don’t sign a new manager let him build a team over the summer and then sack him after 11 games if you’re 5 points off the drop and 5 off the play offs and it’s crazy to suggest we should. Our board may be clueless but I’d be amazed if they did that. If we’re in the drop zone after the next three games then perhaps let’s wait and see but for now they’ve employed him to do a job and we’ve picked up enough points to keep us above the drop zone and in touching distance with the play offs. It’s easy to say sack and get rid but you come across as someone who would get through 4 managers in a season if you owned a club and get them relegated as well as in to horrendous financial difficulties. It’s easy as a keyboard warrior but it ain’t your money or your investment. |
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Post by mrgasman on Oct 20, 2024 19:12:37 GMT
Then keep him and watch the gate numbers decrease. Great idea 😱. As for the crystal ball, anyone with a bit of sense can see there are issues there. As for this “ someone else’s signings” don’t give me that rubbish. Graham coughlan did a good enough job with someone else’s signings, darrel Clarke did a good job with Cheltenham with someone else’s signings, granted they got relegated by 1 point but had the board acted sooner they’d have stayed up. Let’s go up the ladder a bit Enzo Maresca for Chelsea, not his players but he seems to have improved the team a lot since arriving. I’m sorry to offend you by not being a fan of Taylor but I’m pretty sure the excuses are running out with many. “ keep him on” says Socrates 🤭🤭🤭. Yeah keep him on for now, you don’t sign a new manager let him build a team over the summer and then sack him after 11 games if you’re 5 points off the drop and 5 off the play offs and it’s crazy to suggest we should. Our board may be clueless but I’d be amazed if they did that. If we’re in the drop zone after the next three games then perhaps let’s wait and see but for now they’ve employed him to do a job and we’ve picked up enough points to keep us above the drop zone and in touching distance with the play offs. It’s easy to say sack and get rid but you come across as someone who would get through 4 managers in a season if you owned a club and get them relegated as well as in to horrendous financial difficulties. It’s easy as a keyboard warrior but it ain’t your money or your investment. Personally, I’d have kept mangs on. Taylor for me is one of the most depressing managers of all time in my years of supporting Rovers. I’d actually happily give him time if he would do things like : Acknowledge the fans that have traveled with their hard earned money. Stop over hyping up the opposition in EVERY pre match interview. Take some ownership. Cannot see the issue with those things to be honest. |
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Post by bluecamel on Oct 20, 2024 19:41:30 GMT
Regarding Taylor, he had half of last season and 11 games this season and nothing has changed, dire depressing football (if you can call it that) build a new team he did, but he does not have a clue how to manage them. We might scrape a win Tuesday night, but nothing will change long term, other than more dire depressing ⚽️
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 20, 2024 20:04:45 GMT
Yeah keep him on for now, you don’t sign a new manager let him build a team over the summer and then sack him after 11 games if you’re 5 points off the drop and 5 off the play offs and it’s crazy to suggest we should. Our board may be clueless but I’d be amazed if they did that. If we’re in the drop zone after the next three games then perhaps let’s wait and see but for now they’ve employed him to do a job and we’ve picked up enough points to keep us above the drop zone and in touching distance with the play offs. It’s easy to say sack and get rid but you come across as someone who would get through 4 managers in a season if you owned a club and get them relegated as well as in to horrendous financial difficulties. It’s easy as a keyboard warrior but it ain’t your money or your investment. Personally, I’d have kept mangs on. Taylor for me is one of the most depressing managers of all time in my years of supporting Rovers. I’d actually happily give him time if he would do things like : Acknowledge the fans that have traveled with their hard earned money. Stop over hyping up the opposition in EVERY pre match interview. Take some ownership. Cannot see the issue with those things to be honest. How's MT supposed to acknowledge them when they've spent 60 mins chanting "Taylor out" and no doubt he would get abuse if he approached the away end after the match? On that note why do fans who've spent an hour basically telling MT to do one expect any acknowledgement from him anyway. |
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Post by TAGas on Oct 20, 2024 20:10:02 GMT
Needs to be a dominant win tomorrow, but mostly likely we'll scrape a win and Taylor survives another day.
Draw or lose and it's bad news for Taylor I'm afraid.
Another concern I have is, we took 5 weeks to appoint Taylor and we can't take that long this time around if he were to go
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 20, 2024 20:11:37 GMT
Then keep him and watch the gate numbers decrease. Great idea 😱. As for the crystal ball, anyone with a bit of sense can see there are issues there. As for this “ someone else’s signings” don’t give me that rubbish. Graham coughlan did a good enough job with someone else’s signings, darrel Clarke did a good job with Cheltenham with someone else’s signings, granted they got relegated by 1 point but had the board acted sooner they’d have stayed up. Let’s go up the ladder a bit Enzo Maresca for Chelsea, not his players but he seems to have improved the team a lot since arriving. I’m sorry to offend you by not being a fan of Taylor but I’m pretty sure the excuses are running out with many. “ keep him on” says Socrates 🤭🤭🤭. Yeah keep him on for now, you don’t sign a new manager let him build a team over the summer and then sack him after 11 games if you’re 5 points off the drop and 5 off the play offs and it’s crazy to suggest we should. Our board may be clueless but I’d be amazed if they did that. If we’re in the drop zone after the next three games then perhaps let’s wait and see but for now they’ve employed him to do a job and we’ve picked up enough points to keep us above the drop zone and in touching distance with the play offs. It’s easy to say sack and get rid but you come across as someone who would get through 4 managers in a season if you owned a club and get them relegated as well as in to horrendous financial difficulties. It’s easy as a keyboard warrior but it ain’t your money or your investment. We are also apparently paying JB, and I assume his crew, until December, so that could be EJ/JB/AM/GW all receiving £10K/£20K a month. Then we could add similar sums for MT/WC/DH if they are dismissed that's the best part of £100K a month in severance payments, or an extra 1000 fans required each match through the turnstiles. Just sitting and hoping things improve suddenly becomes far more attractive for the owners. |
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Post by Slide away on Oct 20, 2024 20:35:10 GMT
Yeah keep him on for now, you don’t sign a new manager let him build a team over the summer and then sack him after 11 games if you’re 5 points off the drop and 5 off the play offs and it’s crazy to suggest we should. Our board may be clueless but I’d be amazed if they did that. If we’re in the drop zone after the next three games then perhaps let’s wait and see but for now they’ve employed him to do a job and we’ve picked up enough points to keep us above the drop zone and in touching distance with the play offs. It’s easy to say sack and get rid but you come across as someone who would get through 4 managers in a season if you owned a club and get them relegated as well as in to horrendous financial difficulties. It’s easy as a keyboard warrior but it ain’t your money or your investment. We are also apparently paying JB, and I assume his crew, until December, so that could be EJ/JB/AM/GW all receiving £10K/£20K a month. Then we could add similar sums for MT/WC/DH if they are dismissed that's the best part of £100K a month in severance payments, or an extra 1000 fans required each match through the turnstiles. Just sitting and hoping things improve suddenly becomes far more attractive for the owners. Wonder how that stacks up against the price of going down? Crowds were 1500 higher when he took over...the Taylor effect! |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 20, 2024 21:29:38 GMT
We are also apparently paying JB, and I assume his crew, until December, so that could be EJ/JB/AM/GW all receiving £10K/£20K a month. Then we could add similar sums for MT/WC/DH if they are dismissed that's the best part of £100K a month in severance payments, or an extra 1000 fans required each match through the turnstiles. Just sitting and hoping things improve suddenly becomes far more attractive for the owners. Wonder how that stacks up against the price of going down? Crowds were 1500 higher when he took over...the Taylor effect! No team were relegated in October? Win on Tuesday and we could be 8 pts clear of the drop zone, lose and he'll probably be dismissed this week anyway. |
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Post by Gassy on Oct 20, 2024 21:47:44 GMT
We are also apparently paying JB, and I assume his crew, until December, so that could be EJ/JB/AM/GW all receiving £10K/£20K a month. Then we could add similar sums for MT/WC/DH if they are dismissed that's the best part of £100K a month in severance payments, or an extra 1000 fans required each match through the turnstiles. Just sitting and hoping things improve suddenly becomes far more attractive for the owners. Wonder how that stacks up against the price of going down? Crowds were 1500 higher when he took over...the Taylor effect! How'd you work that out, by comparing a Tuesday to a Saturday game? Let’s make it a bit fairer, Cheltenham first game was 8.3k and the Wycombe home game on a Saturday was 7.8k. Id take a guess that Wycombe brought probably 400+ less than Cheltenham did too, but I could be wrong. What next, shall we compare Cheltenham to the pizza cup attendances? No doubt attendances are dropping a bit right now, but let’s not just make stuff up, eh? |
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Post by mrgasman on Oct 21, 2024 6:54:03 GMT
Personally, I’d have kept mangs on. Taylor for me is one of the most depressing managers of all time in my years of supporting Rovers. I’d actually happily give him time if he would do things like : Acknowledge the fans that have traveled with their hard earned money. Stop over hyping up the opposition in EVERY pre match interview. Take some ownership. Cannot see the issue with those things to be honest. How's MT supposed to acknowledge them when they've spent 60 mins chanting "Taylor out" and no doubt he would get abuse if he approached the away end after the match? On that note why do fans who've spent an hour basically telling MT to do one expect any acknowledgement from him anyway. Because most managers do, even Barton did. Grow some balls and take some ownership. Simple 👍. |
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Post by wallywalters on Oct 21, 2024 7:05:04 GMT
Wonder how that stacks up against the price of going down? Crowds were 1500 higher when he took over...the Taylor effect! How'd you work that out, by comparing a Tuesday to a Saturday game? Let’s make it a bit fairer, Cheltenham first game was 8.3k and the Wycombe home game on a Saturday was 7.8k. Id take a guess that Wycombe brought probably 400+ less than Cheltenham did too, but I could be wrong. What next, shall we compare Cheltenham to the pizza cup attendances? No doubt attendances are dropping a bit right now, but let’s not just make stuff up, eh? Crowds are dropping more than a bit. Season ticket sales are down 1500 on last season. We won't make 6000 tomorrow. Official crowd will be put out as 6k plus but actual footfall in the ground will be under. |
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Post by Gassy on Oct 21, 2024 7:23:18 GMT
How'd you work that out, by comparing a Tuesday to a Saturday game? Let’s make it a bit fairer, Cheltenham first game was 8.3k and the Wycombe home game on a Saturday was 7.8k. Id take a guess that Wycombe brought probably 400+ less than Cheltenham did too, but I could be wrong. What next, shall we compare Cheltenham to the pizza cup attendances? No doubt attendances are dropping a bit right now, but let’s not just make stuff up, eh? Crowds are dropping more than a bit. Season ticket sales are down 1500 on last season. We won't make 6000 tomorrow. Official crowd will be put out as 6k plus but actual footfall in the ground will be under. I think there’s more factors to ST sales than just Taylor tbf, but that is a big drop and a solid amount of that will be down to football. Eg, mortgages, affordability, poor ownership, lack of feel good summer, Barton tbf raised expectation too high and we spent a lot that summer etc. At the same time, if 1500 dropped in ST sales and 500 on the gate, then it probably suggests it’s not as bad as people think. I doubt there will be less than 6k for a L1 match tbh. |
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Post by wallywalters on Oct 21, 2024 7:49:05 GMT
Crowds are dropping more than a bit. Season ticket sales are down 1500 on last season. We won't make 6000 tomorrow. Official crowd will be put out as 6k plus but actual footfall in the ground will be under. I think there’s more factors to ST sales than just Taylor tbf, but that is a big drop and a solid amount of that will be down to football. Eg, mortgages, affordability, poor ownership, lack of feel good summer, Barton tbf raised expectation too high and we spent a lot that summer etc. At the same time, if 1500 dropped in ST sales and 500 on the gate, then it probably suggests it’s not as bad as people think. I doubt there will be less than 6k for a L1 match tbh. Yeah all good points re drops but a lot of clubs in the division have had record season ticket sales with the same living conditions. I honestly can't see us getting 7k tomorrow. Happy to be proved wrong. |
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Post by gasify on Oct 21, 2024 8:19:21 GMT
Personally, I’d have kept mangs on. Taylor for me is one of the most depressing managers of all time in my years of supporting Rovers. I’d actually happily give him time if he would do things like : Acknowledge the fans that have traveled with their hard earned money. Stop over hyping up the opposition in EVERY pre match interview. Take some ownership. Cannot see the issue with those things to be honest. On that note why do fans who've spent an hour basically telling MT to do one expect any acknowledgement from him anyway. Exactly. I don't blame him for not going to the fans. Fans should wind their necks in. Either they sing "We want MT out" or they sing "There's only one Matt Taylor". I don't think the fans have ever sang anything positive about him, even when we turned over Bolton at their place last season. If you treat someone like sh.it then he is likely to return the treatment. |
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Post by gasify on Oct 21, 2024 8:22:07 GMT
How's MT supposed to acknowledge them when they've spent 60 mins chanting "Taylor out" and no doubt he would get abuse if he approached the away end after the match? On that note why do fans who've spent an hour basically telling MT to do one expect any acknowledgement from him anyway. Because most managers do, even Barton did. Grow some balls and take some ownership. Simple 👍. Never thought I'd see those two in the same sentence. Absolutely hilarious. Well done. |
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Post by madridgas on Oct 21, 2024 8:40:37 GMT
Crowds are dropping more than a bit. Season ticket sales are down 1500 on last season. We won't make 6000 tomorrow. Official crowd will be put out as 6k plus but actual footfall in the ground will be under. I think there’s more factors to ST sales than just Taylor tbf, but that is a big drop and a solid amount of that will be down to football. Eg, mortgages, affordability, poor ownership, lack of feel good summer, Barton tbf raised expectation too high and we spent a lot that summer etc. At the same time, if 1500 dropped in ST sales and 500 on the gate, then it probably suggests it’s not as bad as people think. I doubt there will be less than 6k for a L1 match tbh. If you had bought an early bird, Adult ST on the terraces, BRFC get (£359/23) = £15.60 per game. So if ST are down 1,500 x £15.60 = £23,413 in lost gate receipt income If we have only dropped by 500 on the gate, on average 1,000 of those potential ST holders are probably paying the general sale price. Let's say Cat B of £20, so BRFC are getting 1,000 x £20 = £20,000. Not an exact science, but just over £3k lost + of course food / drink profit. In the scheme of the £3m+ p.a. losses, someone just looking at the numbers might not be as concerned as some on here. Have a good run, with people turning up for big Cat A games and we might actually make more gate receipts than last year, but will not make a dent in the losses the owners are funding. |
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Post by Gassy on Oct 21, 2024 10:18:32 GMT
I think there’s more factors to ST sales than just Taylor tbf, but that is a big drop and a solid amount of that will be down to football. Eg, mortgages, affordability, poor ownership, lack of feel good summer, Barton tbf raised expectation too high and we spent a lot that summer etc. At the same time, if 1500 dropped in ST sales and 500 on the gate, then it probably suggests it’s not as bad as people think. I doubt there will be less than 6k for a L1 match tbh. Yeah all good points re drops but a lot of clubs in the division have had record season ticket sales with the same living conditions. I honestly can't see us getting 7k tomorrow. Happy to be proved wrong. Yeah very true. Sadly right now the club feels like it’s going backwards a bit, there’s no feel good factor right now. Primarily I think that drives ST sales. Some of that is on Taylor, a lot of it is on the owners as well tbh. I also don’t think we’ll get 7, but I don’t think it will be below 6 |
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Post by Gassy on Oct 21, 2024 10:20:33 GMT
I think there’s more factors to ST sales than just Taylor tbf, but that is a big drop and a solid amount of that will be down to football. Eg, mortgages, affordability, poor ownership, lack of feel good summer, Barton tbf raised expectation too high and we spent a lot that summer etc. At the same time, if 1500 dropped in ST sales and 500 on the gate, then it probably suggests it’s not as bad as people think. I doubt there will be less than 6k for a L1 match tbh. If you had bought an early bird, Adult ST on the terraces, BRFC get (£359/23) = £15.60 per game. So if ST are down 1,500 x £15.60 = £23,413 in lost gate receipt income If we have only dropped by 500 on the gate, on average 1,000 of those potential ST holders are probably paying the general sale price. Let's say Cat B of £20, so BRFC are getting 1,000 x £20 = £20,000. Not an exact science, but just over £3k lost + of course food / drink profit. In the scheme of the £3m+ p.a. losses, someone just looking at the numbers might not be as concerned as some on here. Have a good run, with people turning up for big Cat A games and we might actually make more gate receipts than last year, but will not make a dent in the losses the owners are funding. Tbh this is a really good point. I was also thinking this when I posted but you’ve detailed it very well. I guess ST sales overall tell a tale of fan positivity though and the issues is we never really know the true attendance these days with the way they’re counted |
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