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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 23, 2024 21:08:34 GMT
At least compare home games when you cherry pick two of JB's best fixtures, the ones the majority of us pay to watch? No idea what you are trying to prove, I clearly said the last two home games, which were Charlton and Shrewsbury, I've never suggested we're having a fantastic season under MT and have no real confidence in him. |
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Post by pirate on Oct 23, 2024 21:32:33 GMT
No idea what you are trying to prove, I clearly said the last two home games, which were Charlton and Shrewsbury, I've never suggested we're having a fantastic season under MT and have no real confidence in him. Charlton were abysmal on the night as Nathan Jones would testify, but still managed more than double our expected goals, had more shots, more corners, more shots on target, more big chances and more accurate passes. Hardly a vintage performance! Same for last night with Shrewsbury (who are awful) who had more possession than us, should have scored with big chances for Marquis and Lloyd (and disallowed goal), and had us pinned back for the last 25 minutes! |
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 23, 2024 21:48:37 GMT
I'd need to be enlightened tbh. I've no idea what the intentions of the owners are? I can see and hear what is going on as a punter, and it doesn't exactly fill me with any degree of confidence. I listened to JBs podcast today and he seems pretty clear about the situation. From my view, these guys are just fooling around with a toy. Agree we need to know more, and that needs to come sooner than later. Will listen to the JB podcast, though after listening to some of the rubbish that’s comes out his mouth , it’s difficult to know whether to take him seriously or not. I’m sure you know the answer to that! 🤔 UTG! |
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Oct 23, 2024 22:04:53 GMT
There’s too much smoke regarding the owners involvement with the dressing room, for it not to be taken seriously 🤔🙈💙
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Post by 1950gas on Oct 24, 2024 0:14:08 GMT
There’s too much smoke regarding the owners involvement with the dressing room, for it not to be taken seriously 🤔🙈💙 We are Bristol Rover Average stadium, poor facilities , average manager Best fans in the land ( after what we put up with ) And treated like mushrooms |
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Post by gasheadowen on Oct 24, 2024 1:33:19 GMT
No idea what you are trying to prove, I clearly said the last two home games, which were Charlton and Shrewsbury, I've never suggested we're having a fantastic season under MT and have no real confidence in him. Charlton were abysmal on the night as Nathan Jones would testify, but still managed more than double our expected goals, had more shots, more corners, more shots on target, more big chances and more accurate passes. Hardly a vintage performance! Same for last night with Shrewsbury (who are awful) who had more possession than us, should have scored with big chances for Marquis and Lloyd (and disallowed goal), and had us pinned back for the last 25 minutes! The same Charlton who are the only team to beat runaway leaders Brum. Leicester winning the title shows there's only so much you can Garner (pun thoroughly intended) from w**king off to a dodgy stick in your living room |
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Post by Gassy on Oct 24, 2024 5:47:07 GMT
No idea what you are trying to prove, I clearly said the last two home games, which were Charlton and Shrewsbury, I've never suggested we're having a fantastic season under MT and have no real confidence in him. Charlton were abysmal on the night as Nathan Jones would testify, but still managed more than double our expected goals, had more shots, more corners, more shots on target, more big chances and more accurate passes. Hardly a vintage performance! Same for last night with Shrewsbury (who are awful) who had more possession than us, should have scored with big chances for Marquis and Lloyd (and disallowed goal), and had us pinned back for the last 25 minutes! There’s biased, and then there’s just this ridiculous post 🤣 |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Oct 24, 2024 6:44:09 GMT
No idea what you are trying to prove, I clearly said the last two home games, which were Charlton and Shrewsbury, I've never suggested we're having a fantastic season under MT and have no real confidence in him. Charlton were abysmal on the night as Nathan Jones would testify, but still managed more than double our expected goals, had more shots, more corners, more shots on target, more big chances and more accurate passes. Hardly a vintage performance! Same for last night with Shrewsbury (who are awful) who had more possession than us, should have scored with big chances for Marquis and Lloyd (and disallowed goal), and had us pinned back for the last 25 minutes! And for all that they both lost to us with the only stats that truly matter. Goals scored and goals conceded. |
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Post by igotgas on Oct 24, 2024 7:58:34 GMT
And for all that they both lost to us with the only stats that truly matter. Goals scored and goals conceded. Absolute nonsense. Underlying data is what’s important. Underlying data determines performance and consistency. If your underlying data is consistently good you’ll have more good performances than bad and performances over a longer period determine results and you’ll win more games. If the underlying data is poor (possession, passes, shots on target, chances created, chances conceded, duels won/lost etc etc) then you’ll produce more poor performances than good and over time lose more games than you win. You will of course win some games but those wins will largely be down to the performance of the opposition…..which has undoubtedly been the case. Our underlying data hasn’t changed from first game to last game, home or away, wins or losses. We’re basically a very poorly managed and coached football team with a manager full of bluster using stupid terminology which has the aim of confusing the layman. |
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Post by igotgas on Oct 24, 2024 8:08:52 GMT
Best fans in the land ( after what we put up with ) And treated like mushrooms Every fan base in the land claim to be “the best fans in the land” 🤣🤣 For me the best fans in the land will be the ones who sing the name of the player having a nightmare game in the attempt to lift him or who take the roof off cheering as a losing team comes out at half time rather than boos as they go in….. I haven’t seen any fans do that yet so to me fans are the same everywhere at every club. They are what they are…great at winning, crap at losing and rarely objective when experiencing either. |
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 24, 2024 8:24:52 GMT
And for all that they both lost to us with the only stats that truly matter. Goals scored and goals conceded. Absolute nonsense. Underlying data is what’s important. Underlying data determines performance and consistency. If your underlying data is consistently good you’ll have more good performances than bad and performances over a longer period determine results and you’ll win more games. If the underlying data is poor (possession, passes, shots on target, chances created, chances conceded, duels won/lost etc etc) then you’ll produce more poor performances than good and over time lose more games than you win. You will of course win some games but those wins will largely be down to the performance of the opposition…..which has undoubtedly been the case. Our underlying data hasn’t changed from first game to last game, home or away, wins or losses. We’re basically a very poorly managed and coached football team with a manager full of bluster using stupid terminology which has the aim of confusing the layman. Spot on. Anomaly results prove nothing, our performances and stats are very poor. |
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Post by gasheadontour on Oct 24, 2024 9:07:47 GMT
Best fans in the land ( after what we put up with ) And treated like mushrooms Every fan base in the land claim to be “the best fans in the land” 🤣🤣 For me the best fans in the land will be the ones who sing the name of the player having a nightmare game in the attempt to lift him or who take the roof off cheering as a losing team comes out at half time rather than boos as they go in….. I haven’t seen any fans do that yet so to me fans are the same everywhere at every club. They are what they are…great at winning, crap at losing and rarely objective when experiencing either. TBF Rovers fans sometimes sing Goodnight Irene just after the oppo score. |
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Post by Quarters on Oct 24, 2024 9:15:06 GMT
Not sure if was on this thread but there has been talk about attendances this season compared to last.
Has any analysis been done in the price rises for concessions?
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Post by gasandelectricity on Oct 24, 2024 10:34:03 GMT
Absolute nonsense. Underlying data is what’s important. Underlying data determines performance and consistency. If your underlying data is consistently good you’ll have more good performances than bad and performances over a longer period determine results and you’ll win more games. If the underlying data is poor (possession, passes, shots on target, chances created, chances conceded, duels won/lost etc etc) then you’ll produce more poor performances than good and over time lose more games than you win. You will of course win some games but those wins will largely be down to the performance of the opposition…..which has undoubtedly been the case. Our underlying data hasn’t changed from first game to last game, home or away, wins or losses. We’re basically a very poorly managed and coached football team with a manager full of bluster using stupid terminology which has the aim of confusing the layman. Spot on. Anomaly results prove nothing, our performances and stats are very poor. But if they were that bad we’d be sat at the bottom of the league. Which we’re not. Which is my point. Doesn’t matter how good your xG is if it doesn’t go in the net. Goals scored, goals against decide where you end up in the league. So add that as another metric that actually matters - league position. We’re not going down this season. |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Oct 24, 2024 10:36:13 GMT
Best fans in the land ( after what we put up with ) And treated like mushrooms Every fan base in the land claim to be “the best fans in the land” 🤣🤣 For me the best fans in the land will be the ones who sing the name of the player having a nightmare game in the attempt to lift him or who take the roof off cheering as a losing team comes out at half time rather than boos as they go in….. I haven’t seen any fans do that yet so to me fans are the same everywhere at every club. They are what they are…great at winning, crap at losing and rarely objective when experiencing either. Exactly and we come on here and complain because our managers are winning so from that perspective we’ve a pretty sh**ty support base right now. Very similar to the Coughlan days. I’d rather not have another muppet like Ben Garner come in thank you very much. |
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Post by olskooltoteender on Oct 24, 2024 10:44:34 GMT
Every fan base in the land claim to be “the best fans in the land” 🤣🤣 For me the best fans in the land will be the ones who sing the name of the player having a nightmare game in the attempt to lift him or who take the roof off cheering as a losing team comes out at half time rather than boos as they go in….. I haven’t seen any fans do that yet so to me fans are the same everywhere at every club. They are what they are…great at winning, crap at losing and rarely objective when experiencing either. TBF Rovers fans sometimes sing Goodnight Irene just after the oppo score. We always used to do that in the “old days” - it was simultaneously a gesture of defiance and an attempt to lift the team. |
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 24, 2024 10:51:51 GMT
Spot on. Anomaly results prove nothing, our performances and stats are very poor. But if they were that bad we’d be sat at the bottom of the league. Which we’re not. Which is my point. Doesn’t matter how good your xG is if it doesn’t go in the net. Goals scored, goals against decide where you end up in the league. So add that as another metric that actually matters - league position. We’re not going down this season. It plays itself out over a longer period of time. This is why anomaly results are not much use since we could win the first game of the season and be top.. Our stats and performances are poor, perhaps debatable depending on your definition of poor but XG, possession, TiB, successful passes, shots, dribbles, etc all mean something which is how the bookies make smart decisions. If you stacked the league and had full access to all stats, you'd see a trend with the better statically performing g trams towards the top and the worst towards the bottom. Now, you for get sides who play counterattacking or rely on set peices for example, but that's usually an adopted style and gameplan which can skew some data. The only 'stat that counts' line is very useful for small samples but over a protracted time, the cream usually rises to the top. Then if you think about what fans want to watch, it opens dialogue on style of play etc. Stoke used to live off Delap long throws, but do fans enjoy watching your side get battered for 90 minute's hoping for a tactical throw in?? We didn't have a shot on target for 45 minutes recently-that's pretty boring for div 3 football. |
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Post by aghast on Oct 24, 2024 16:00:59 GMT
Spot on. Anomaly results prove nothing, our performances and stats are very poor. But if they were that bad we’d be sat at the bottom of the league. Which we’re not. Which is my point. Doesn’t matter how good your xG is if it doesn’t go in the net. Goals scored, goals against decide where you end up in the league. So add that as another metric that actually matters - league position. We’re not going down this season. Now that IS spot on. The key element here is that we are three points off the playoffs and that isn't an anomaly. A mixed bag so far this season but nothing like as bad as portrayed. Performance data is part of the point but not the whole point. Churning out results, even if inconsistently, is just as if not more important. In fact poor performance stats are being used as excuse with which to beat MT because the points tally is a bit too good to use as a reason to sack him. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 24, 2024 17:27:07 GMT
And for all that they both lost to us with the only stats that truly matter. Goals scored and goals conceded. Absolute nonsense. Underlying data is what’s important. Underlying data determines performance and consistency. If your underlying data is consistently good you’ll have more good performances than bad and performances over a longer period determine results and you’ll win more games. If the underlying data is poor (possession, passes, shots on target, chances created, chances conceded, duels won/lost etc etc) then you’ll produce more poor performances than good and over time lose more games than you win. You will of course win some games but those wins will largely be down to the performance of the opposition…..which has undoubtedly been the case. Our underlying data hasn’t changed from first game to last game, home or away, wins or losses. We’re basically a very poorly managed and coached football team with a manager full of bluster using stupid terminology which has the aim of confusing the layman. I'm sure you will correct me if I'm wrong but under Barton we had fantastic possession and passing stats yet his PPG in L1 is inferior to Taylors. I'm bored of hearing about stats that "prove" Taylor is the devil incarnate. If people don't like him because he's dull, the football is dull, the tactics are baffling then fair enough but stats are just part of the picture, not the be all and end all. Some stats say we were poor against Charlton and Shrewsbury but there are also stats that show we were better than them. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 24, 2024 17:29:48 GMT
True, but we don't have Var, so 99% of officials would probably give him offside. From his side of the pitch, it would look like he's in front of the keeper, as he's on the far side. If I was them, I would be blaming Marquez, he gave them a decision to make. The linesman never put his flag up for offside. The referee came over for a conversation, most likely to ask the very simple question of whether Marquis was stood behind our last defender (which he was). It was then for the referee to decide whether Marquis was obstructing the keepers view - he decided he was which going by the still photos from the South Stand is clearly wrong. Those photos show the referee was in a good enough position to see that Marquis hadn’t placed himself directly between the keeper and the direction of the shot. It was a very poor decision and Shrewsbury must be fuming. I’m delighted that even after consulting as a team the officials managed to get the wrong decision and get us the much needed 3 points instead of 1 😁 "Those photos show the referee was in a good enough position to see that Marquis hadn’t placed himself directly between the keeper and the direction of the shot. It was a very poor decision and Shrewsbury must be fuming." I kinda agree and disagree with your post. I think the ref had a poor game all round, but the consistency all night was to appear to generally award decisions - however contentious - to the defending team. In this case, he just followed his 50/50 decision making process. I'm not so sure it was a poor decision, rather than it was harsh on Shrewsbury. If JM hadn't been in offside position in first place, just a couple of steps up, no one would be having this conversation. And my point is: it's up to the player not to allow referees opportunity to make those sorts of decisions. With issuing cards the same principle applies. He was offside, and in the vicinity. The referee is entitled to draw conclusions from this in real time without the help of pictures/tv. Unfortunately, for him and them, JM had a poor game and showed poor decision making by being allowed to be called offside...for gawdsakes, he done it plenty (frustratingly enough) last season with us and hasn't learned his lesson. The fuming is directed in the wrong direction imo... |
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