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Post by igotgas on Oct 25, 2024 13:21:39 GMT
It’s nothing to do with STATS!! And I had no intention of patronizing you.
All I’m saying is, whether you like it or not, performances are ultimately governed or demonstrated in the data - or the data will ultimately reflect the performance certainly in terms of what the clubs see…..and my point is good performances will ultimately lead to more success than poor performances that sneak wins due to opposition ‘bad’ days.
I’m not watching games studying stats I’m looking at numbers that may or may not substantiate what I’ve seen.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 25, 2024 13:26:11 GMT
It’s nothing to do with STATS!! And I had no intention of patronizing you. All I’m saying is, whether you like it or not, performances are ultimately governed or demonstrated in the data - or the data will ultimately reflect the performance certainly in terms of what the clubs see…..and my point is good performances will ultimately lead to more success than poor performances that sneak wins due to opposition ‘bad’ days. I’m not watching games studying stats I’m looking at numbers that may or may not substantiate what I’ve seen. Fair enough. I thought we looked loads better playing 4 at the back and looked terrible when we reverted back to a back 5 that hasn't really worked all season. What did you think? |
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Post by igotgas on Oct 25, 2024 13:33:52 GMT
It’s nothing to do with STATS!! And I had no intention of patronizing you. All I’m saying is, whether you like it or not, performances are ultimately governed or demonstrated in the data - or the data will ultimately reflect the performance certainly in terms of what the clubs see…..and my point is good performances will ultimately lead to more success than poor performances that sneak wins due to opposition ‘bad’ days. I’m not watching games studying stats I’m looking at numbers that may or may not substantiate what I’ve seen. Fair enough. I thought we looked loads better playing 4 at the back and looked terrible when we reverted back to a back 5 that hasn't really worked all season. What did you think? Agree 100% I hate 3/5 at the back. I said this before that we’d seemingly recruited for 352 but had a squad more suited to 4231….you can fit more attacking players into that 👍 |
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Post by Charlton Hayes Gas on Oct 25, 2024 15:04:08 GMT
Completely off topic, but did anyone else think that despite the very low attendance Tuesday, we had a fair few students watching.
Maybe I just haven’t paid attention before, but there was a big group next to me, and they’re not the first either.
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 25, 2024 16:06:15 GMT
Fair enough. I thought we looked loads better playing 4 at the back and looked terrible when we reverted back to a back 5 that hasn't really worked all season. What did you think? Agree 100% I hate 3/5 at the back. I said this before that we’d seemingly recruited for 352 but had a squad more suited to 4231….you can fit more attacking players into that 👍 I'm interested in stats, not a nerd but I believe they are a good way to analyse finer details. Coaches use them, bookies use them, data analysts use them to help managers make decisions on game plan etc. Formations I'm not so fussed about. Any formation can be effective if the players know what they are doing and assert themselves on the opposition. It's opinions after all and I can see that some people care more about certain aspects over others. However, if you don't shoot it will be difficult to score and if you don't have the ball it will be difficult to impose on the opponent. If you give away lots of fouls you will affect momentum and risk disciplinary. If you concede territory you will likely face more dangerous attacks and shots on goal. These events are collected and presented as stats alongside others data. But yeah, whatever 😆 |
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Post by nickchippenhamgas on Oct 26, 2024 6:52:28 GMT
Spot on. Anomaly results prove nothing, our performances and stats are very poor. But if they were that bad we’d be sat at the bottom of the league. Which we’re not. Which is my point. Doesn’t matter how good your xG is if it doesn’t go in the net. Goals scored, goals against decide where you end up in the league. So add that as another metric that actually matters - league position. We’re not going down this season. That’s brave but I like your positivity |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Oct 26, 2024 8:04:48 GMT
Agree 100% I hate 3/5 at the back. I said this before that we’d seemingly recruited for 352 but had a squad more suited to 4231….you can fit more attacking players into that 👍 I'm interested in stats, not a nerd but I believe they are a good way to analyse finer details. Coaches use them, bookies use them, data analysts use them to help managers make decisions on game plan etc. Formations I'm not so fussed about. Any formation can be effective if the players know what they are doing and assert themselves on the opposition. It's opinions after all and I can see that some people care more about certain aspects over others. However, if you don't shoot it will be difficult to score and if you don't have the ball it will be difficult to impose on the opponent. If you give away lots of fouls you will affect momentum and risk disciplinary. If you concede territory you will likely face more dangerous attacks and shots on goal. These events are collected and presented as stats alongside others data. But yeah, whatever 😆 I’ve been quite vocal about my scepticism regards performance stats. I think you guys think I’m a bit of a dinosaur. Off the forum in my professional life I’ve worked for companies calculating the return on marketing investment from advertising campaigns using regression modelling. I’ve run data teams building out performance reporting packs. These days I focus more on the movement of data rather than the presentation of it. So I understand the power of data to drive business performance. However you pick what really matters for driving the dial of business performance. Clicks don’t matter if the customer doesn’t end up purchasing. Signups worthless if they don’t stay with you. Just like shots on goal are fruitless if you can’t get them in the back of the net. Expected goals conceded meaningless if your keeper keeps pulling off worldies and you’re not conceding. All the performance stats are useful for seeing where the team needs to improve and for sussing out potential signings but our North Star is are we winning games and where are we in the league. Right now we’re on a run - well see how long that lasts - and we’re in a reasonable position in the league. To add - in my experience, statistics are best used when considered in the context of reality. Remove that context and they are often misrepresented and used to paint agendas. |
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Post by holmesgas1 on Oct 26, 2024 10:16:26 GMT
I'm interested in stats, not a nerd but I believe they are a good way to analyse finer details. Coaches use them, bookies use them, data analysts use them to help managers make decisions on game plan etc. Formations I'm not so fussed about. Any formation can be effective if the players know what they are doing and assert themselves on the opposition. It's opinions after all and I can see that some people care more about certain aspects over others. However, if you don't shoot it will be difficult to score and if you don't have the ball it will be difficult to impose on the opponent. If you give away lots of fouls you will affect momentum and risk disciplinary. If you concede territory you will likely face more dangerous attacks and shots on goal. These events are collected and presented as stats alongside others data. But yeah, whatever 😆 I’ve been quite vocal about my scepticism regards performance stats. I think you guys think I’m a bit of a dinosaur. Off the forum in my professional life I’ve worked for companies calculating the return on marketing investment from advertising campaigns using regression modelling. I’ve run data teams building out performance reporting packs. These days I focus more on the movement of data rather than the presentation of it. So I understand the power of data to drive business performance. However you pick what really matters for driving the dial of business performance. Clicks don’t matter if the customer doesn’t end up purchasing. Signups worthless if they don’t stay with you. Just like shots on goal are fruitless if you can’t get them in the back of the net. Expected goals conceded meaningless if your keeper keeps pulling off worldies and you’re not conceding. All the performance stats are useful for seeing where the team needs to improve and for sussing out potential signings but our North Star is are we winning games and where are we in the league. Right now we’re on a run - well see how long that lasts - and we’re in a reasonable position in the league. To add - in my experience, statistics are best used when considered in the context of reality. Remove that context and they are often misrepresented and used to paint agendas. How true on paint agenda’s. Tell me what you want and I can find statistics to fit. I made a whole career out of it :-) |
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Post by returngas on Oct 26, 2024 10:32:18 GMT
Completely off topic, but did anyone else think that despite the very low attendance Tuesday, we had a fair few students watching. Maybe I just haven’t paid attention before, but there was a big group next to me, and they’re not the first either. Read that there are 37,000 students enrolled at UWE and a fair few of those must live within a couple of miles of the mem. Club should look at attracting them perhaps offer some free tickets to their football teams or arrange a game with them for the U18s. When at Southampton years ago I still remember Southampton arranging a training game with the University. A couple of Southampton first teamers played coming back from injury and it really created a lot of interest. |
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