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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 19, 2024 18:53:54 GMT
“What we have done in 12 months here……….” MT has had this and gone backwards. “I don’t do politics………..” well MT did at Swindon. Big difference with these two men, one says it how it is, shows his passion and gets on with it. Also one found the right formula with what he had, he never made 5 subs for the sake of it every second half. Our manager after 12 months never ever talks about his players like Cogs did. The other big difference is one as had two L1 jobs and a Championship job, perhaps being a bit of yes man is a better approach in football than one saying it how it is like GC? |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 19, 2024 18:59:06 GMT
I'm with Roady on this one.
We beat ipshit on their own turf without jch.
That fateful day, one which if you were there you'll never forget, was wrapped in emotion with passion and one other..... belief. Belief for the first time in 20 years we could seriously challenge for Championship football next season.
Then he pulls that public stunt.
We'd ridden tides, became very hard to beat, sorted out defence, and many of us knew GC had pure alchemy of a players - some plain average - but they were playing at the top of their game and formulating a very decent team.
You could tell.
There was little DC remorse....at least not publicly.
Also, every one of GC signings made significant contributions.
I struggle to square this with every manager since, or even Ollie before (the last time we had belief we were challenging for promotion).
Agreed, the football wasn't always easy on the eye, but I remember 2-0 down to Southend, then running out 4-2 winners ....
Stefan Payne hitting bar in last 5 mins v Sunderland away on GC first match where we out sung the wearsiders for many a minute and definitely deserved more out the match.
And a few others last minute goals and comebacks.
Past now.
I said at the time, bg the usurper would set us back 5 years (in promotion challenging terms)....well how wrong can I be?
It's no where near 5 years.
It's considerably more.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 19, 2024 19:03:37 GMT
Problem is how long could he keep that run going, if we lost a good manager when he left for Mansfield I doubt he'd now be managing Boston? The BG era was a bizarre one the VP seems to be trying to now repeat, why didn't Wael just appoint somebody who could carry on the good work GC had gone.
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Post by roadman on Nov 19, 2024 19:37:13 GMT
It’s interesting, Cogs was exhausted with the way the club was being run, we were training on 3G pitches for some of us his time with us. He complained about the same training ground pitch which pushed DC over the edge with his public outbursts which got him the sack. They both left the club either way in frustration.
Graham also begged for his job back Sunday morning, Martyn Stairnes told Wael to give him the benefit of the doubt, he said no.
Cogs is the only manager since Trollope to get us in a play off position isn’t he, a good way into the season in Div1? Holloway last delivered a play off finish in what 1998 in Div1, the question is, can we be that fussy on brand of football and league table finish?
Wycombe went up playing hoof ball, 4 years parachute payments now 👍
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Post by roadman on Nov 19, 2024 19:39:54 GMT
But let’s cut the the chase here………12 months on, Cogs interview, team balance, league position compared to 12 months on with MT, massive extremes.
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Post by gascloud on Nov 19, 2024 19:44:14 GMT
It was a lovely little spell under cogs but no way was it going to last. That Southend first half against the bottom club was hopeless. The Ipswich result brilliant but we were battered for the best part of the game. We just all knew we had peaked and it was going to go down hill, the fans knew it and Cogs knew it.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 19, 2024 19:44:20 GMT
But let’s cut the the chase here………12 months on, Cogs interview, team balance, league position compared to 12 months on with MT, massive extremes. He left us. He wasn't sacked, he went of his own volition. It's completely irrelevant to our situation today. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 19, 2024 20:46:58 GMT
But let’s cut the the chase here………12 months on, Cogs interview, team balance, league position compared to 12 months on with MT, massive extremes. He left us. He wasn't sacked, he went of his own volition. It's completely irrelevant to our situation today. Roadman is also contradicting himself, as on the one hand he says GC was frustrated with the way Rovers were being run but then claims he was begging for his job back, so he couldn't have been that frustrated! |
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Post by roadman on Nov 19, 2024 21:15:10 GMT
He left us. He wasn't sacked, he went of his own volition. It's completely irrelevant to our situation today. Roadman is also contradicting himself, as on the one hand he says GC was frustrated with the way Rovers were being run but then claims he was begging for his job back, so he couldn't have been that frustrated! No I am not, he was frustrated, we all get it in life at work at some point. He went over the top, realised he made a mistake, he had no choice to take the Mansfield job when Wael said no mate, you are gone. I don’t claim, I know it’s 💯 true. Lots of people carry on with frustration, the squad begged him to say, I think it really effected him, well I know it did. |
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Post by roadman on Nov 19, 2024 21:20:13 GMT
But let’s cut the the chase here………12 months on, Cogs interview, team balance, league position compared to 12 months on with MT, massive extremes. He left us. He wasn't sacked, he went of his own volition. It's completely irrelevant to our situation today. He left on the 15th December, the Shrews game on the video was a few weeks before, look at MT’s interviews now 12 months into the job, does he ever talk about his players like this? Maybe MT could ask us for support like Cogs did. |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 19, 2024 21:21:02 GMT
Roadman is also contradicting himself, as on the one hand he says GC was frustrated with the way Rovers were being run but then claims he was begging for his job back, so he couldn't have been that frustrated! No I am not, he was frustrated, we all get it in life at work at some point. He went over the top, realised he made a mistake, he had no choice to take the Mansfield job when Wael said no mate, you are gone. I don’t claim, I know it’s 💯 true. Lots of people carry on with frustration, the squad begged him to say, I think it really affected him, well I know it did. He’s got no one to blame but himself and that aside , he’s done bugger all decent in his managerial career since. Hence why he’s found himself at the biggest dump in England …Boston in non league. Time to move on. |
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Post by roadman on Nov 19, 2024 22:16:31 GMT
No I am not, he was frustrated, we all get it in life at work at some point. He went over the top, realised he made a mistake, he had no choice to take the Mansfield job when Wael said no mate, you are gone. I don’t claim, I know it’s 💯 true. Lots of people carry on with frustration, the squad begged him to say, I think it really affected him, well I know it did. He’s got no one to blame but himself and that aside , he’s done bugger all decent in his managerial career since. Hence why he’s found himself at the biggest dump in England …Boston in non league. Time to move on. Unfair, did a stirling at Newport with the second worst budget in Div2, fan owned and brought in a with a good cup run as well. Jenkins wanted to go his own way with his own manager, they are bottom half this season. As for his time at Mansfield, Clough replaced Cogs and it took him his 3rd season to get them up. He is where he is no doubt because he’s at his best with no money and his brand of football, I don’t deny this, if you don’t like route one football then you don’t appoint him. I’m just glad the Dunford’s were not anti it and gave Gerry Francis a chance 👍 |
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Post by justin blue on Nov 19, 2024 22:24:39 GMT
He left us and in doing so caused the sh#tstorm that eventually lead to our relegation. He didn’t. Give a flying duck for the club or the fans
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Post by yattongas on Nov 19, 2024 22:36:05 GMT
He’s got no one to blame but himself and that aside , he’s done bugger all decent in his managerial career since. Hence why he’s found himself at the biggest dump in England …Boston in non league. Time to move on. Unfair, did a stirling at Newport with the second worst budget in Div2, fan owned and brought in a with a good cup run as well. Jenkins wanted to go his own way with his own manager, they are bottom half this season. As for his time at Mansfield, Clough replaced Cogs and it took him his 3rd season to get them up. He is where he is no doubt because he’s at his best with no money and his brand of football, I don’t deny this, if you don’t like route one football then you don’t appoint him. I’m just glad the Dunford’s were not anti it and gave Gerry Francis a chance 👍 I think it’s pretty fair , if he’d done such a good job as you say it would have been noticed by others in the football world and he would have landed himself a decent job elsewhere. |
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Post by roadman on Nov 20, 2024 2:20:14 GMT
Unfair, did a stirling at Newport with the second worst budget in Div2, fan owned and brought in a with a good cup run as well. Jenkins wanted to go his own way with his own manager, they are bottom half this season. As for his time at Mansfield, Clough replaced Cogs and it took him his 3rd season to get them up. He is where he is no doubt because he’s at his best with no money and his brand of football, I don’t deny this, if you don’t like route one football then you don’t appoint him. I’m just glad the Dunford’s were not anti it and gave Gerry Francis a chance 👍 I think it’s pretty fair , if he’d done such a good job as you say it would have been noticed by others in the football world and he would have landed himself a decent job elsewhere. I think we have to be careful on how we judge managers on the next jobs they take and club they go to. Darrell Clarke after us left for Walsall, Port Vale and Cheltenham, all smaller clubs than us and its taken him 6 years to get to a club of any size. But in that time, when he was at Cheltenham for example, I don’t think Rovers fans would have just thrown away his ability and still after his Port Vale success, no one took him on big. It also took Trollope 6 years to land another full time managers job after us. For me Cogs is what he is, a proper lower level lower budget manager and average at it. The point of this thread, the contrasting approaches to doing a job after 12 months and even asking for support from the fans. Ultimately his actions cost him his job, Graham can only blame himself for this and if Boston doesn’t work out, he started this spiral of decline. |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 20, 2024 6:25:20 GMT
I think it’s pretty fair , if he’d done such a good job as you say it would have been noticed by others in the football world and he would have landed himself a decent job elsewhere. I think we have to be careful on how we judge managers on the next jobs they take and club they go to. Darrell Clarke after us left for Walsall, Port Vale and Cheltenham, all smaller clubs than us and its taken him 6 years to get to a club of any size. But in that time, when he was at Cheltenham for example, I don’t think Rovers fans would have just thrown away his ability and still after his Port Vale success, no one took him on big. It also took Trollope 6 years to land another full time managers job after us. For me Cogs is what he is, a proper lower level lower budget manager and average at it. The point of this thread, the contrasting approaches to doing a job after 12 months and even asking for support from the fans. Ultimately his actions cost him his job, Graham can only blame himself for this and if Boston doesn’t work out, he started this spiral of decline. Don’t think we’re that far apart in our thinking but would say most of us thought Darrell was a good manager more so than Cogs who had obvious limitations. |
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Post by rememberhalifax on Nov 20, 2024 8:23:25 GMT
Nothing against Cogs , liked him and his interviews, got the best out of what we had we will never know if our lofty position was sustainable, IMHO it wasn't, Cogs may have thought the same and quit while ahead,! others will disagree which is fair enough, he was aware of some fans being unhappy with what they were watching and felt obliged to ask fans for their support, judging by some comments on the forum M/T would be justified in asking the same question, i.e give me a break and get behind the team!
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Post by mftc on Nov 20, 2024 8:26:30 GMT
Surprised he has gone to Boston.
Did well for us, put the seeds in place for Clough at Mansfield and was excellent at Newport.
I would have thought a club wanting to avoid relegation from league 1 or 2 would have snapped his hand off.
Seems to get limited players organized and brought the best out of JCG and Evans.
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Post by roadman on Nov 20, 2024 8:41:52 GMT
Surprised he has gone to Boston. Did well for us, put the seeds in place for Clough at Mansfield and was excellent at Newport. I would have thought a club wanting to avoid relegation from league 1 or 2 would have snapped his hand off. Seems to get limited players organized and brought the best out of JCG and Evans. I agree with this, the other question is we don’t know his financial situation and I imagine he has bills to pay. He played in the era where he missed out on the good money days, obviously a reason first of all he was living away from home working in Southend which is a long way from Sheffield. Good debate and I think we all agree he was a fool how he acted and I never felt he was the brightest bloke from the start. If Taylor gets a win on Saturday at Mansfield, he will be entitled to ask for more support and we all hope this is the case. I wlll watch Boston’s results now with intrigue. |
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Post by Quarters on Nov 20, 2024 9:15:39 GMT
Surprised he has gone to Boston. Did well for us, put the seeds in place for Clough at Mansfield and was excellent at Newport. I would have thought a club wanting to avoid relegation from league 1 or 2 would have snapped his hand off. Seems to get limited players organized and brought the best out of JCG and Evans. Thought Evans was post GC. |
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