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Post by roadman on Nov 21, 2024 12:53:55 GMT
Honestly how can you use one example of a drunken prick throwing a pint glass at a manager, who in their right mind throws a pint glass anyway over a game of football?
It’s as if you think it’s ok to throw pint glasses to even use is as an example, you are making this about you, not me doing this. I post from a point of experience and foundation, I saw magnificent support in Dortmund that semi final night (Dutch easy draw).
Your thought process must be, Nick Higgs was that bad we even punched horses?!
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Post by Smithy Gas on Nov 21, 2024 13:19:26 GMT
One more time as you seem to struggle to read, I like Southgate and I like Taylor. Sorry that upsets you.
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Post by madgas on Nov 21, 2024 13:20:58 GMT
I'm still lost as to the relevance of a 6 year youtube at 4m20secs.
What Cogs said didn't work.
It was unclear and uninspiring.
It doesn't match our situation at all.
What are we learning? How does this map to MT?
I you might argue that GC got more out of less? I'd have that debate. I think it's more nuanced and too small a sample size but it's worth discussion.
I'm not sure how a minute of Cogs failed moaning relates to the current predicament. Its stretches like this that make me think people have agendas tbh.
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Post by DrFaustus on Nov 21, 2024 13:43:26 GMT
One more time as you seem to struggle to read, I like Southgate and I like Taylor. Sorry that upsets you. Me too and that's as someone with affinity elsewhere 🏴 As for Matt Taylor. Complete change of opinion here. Dignified, measured and focused...those weren't in doubt. His ability to coach under inordinate pressure? Beginning to prove this, I reckon and more power to him. UTFG and again, sod the owners. 🏴☠️ |
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Nov 21, 2024 14:04:33 GMT
What a bizzare read!
I do not really see the point in dredging up the past if I am honest, but what I will say is that managers (like players) tend to find their level. It is no coincidence that 'Cogs' has failed at every job he took after us and now finds himself managing a semi pro team. He was a footballing dinosaur back then, let alone now.
Back to MT, I am really not sure what people expected from us this season? Did we really think that we were going to be playing beautiful football troubling the top 6? Delusion if you did I am afraid.
This is a transitional season for a team who have historically finished mid to lower half league 1 consistently. Not only that, but this is a particularly hard league 1 this season with some huge teams with huge budgets joining us. I am afraid to say, that anything above relegation places this season has to be seen as a good outcome with all of the above in mind.
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Post by BelieveItWhenIAmSatInIt on Nov 21, 2024 14:08:18 GMT
It's all well and good having an obvious dislike for MT but we have no direct control over who manages the side, in a perfect world MT will leave if we lose on Saturday, but we don't live in a perfect world. Ok, so let's say you do have control over whom manages the team.. You sack MT presumably (seems you have made your mind up on him), who are we getting in then? |
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Post by roadman on Nov 21, 2024 15:57:23 GMT
That’s what is great with this forum, pointless thread 5 pages deep.
As for liking Southgate, it doesn’t matter if you like him or not, can’t see any reason for his name to referenced or an example of a pint glass thrown at him.
Let’s all agree we hope MT starts to be able to get more wins and points like Cogs regardless of style and budget extremes.
UTFG, and some form of point/points Saturday
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 21, 2024 16:34:04 GMT
Amen.
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Post by imanobody on Nov 21, 2024 16:47:43 GMT
And I only asked for factual evidence to how much Taylor has spent against how much he has received in transfer money so that we can then give a balanced view on your opinion that Taylor has wasted millions on the team.
If you want a balanced debate then simply answer the question and please don’t ignore them as you started the thread in the first place.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 21, 2024 17:59:00 GMT
Does it really matter what MT received given that AC was hardly an intragal part of MT's side before he was sold, Evo perhaps more so, although not sure he was playing to his own full potential.
It can't be denied MT's squad cost around £1.5m to put together and Omochere and Sotiriou don't look good value for money at present, whilst Hutchinson is improving I'm not really sure he's also justifying his transfer fee.
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Post by roadman on Nov 21, 2024 18:40:02 GMT
And I only asked for factual evidence to how much Taylor has spent against how much he has received in transfer money so that we can then give a balanced view on your opinion that Taylor has wasted millions on the team. If you want a balanced debate then simply answer the question and please don’t ignore them as you started the thread in the first place. Sorry ignored you because no one is ever going to be able give factual evidence because so many transfers are stated as disclosed. I can/could go via Credit Safe and ask my FD to review our accounts back to Cogs period to see our expenditure and see if we detail our playing budget. Issue is most business if not all are the previous years set of accounts submitted, we won’t know this seasons until next season or when the FA release information. Barton said he wanted a £5 million budget like Plymouth to have a real go, he said that summer he was happy with being backed. Hussain said the budget would be similar this season and we’ve spent on lot of paid fees as Abdul said on first fans forum. DC left frustrated and said he couldn’t keep selling goals and replacing them with the money he had, Steff Payne. Cogs took this on, we never got him Liam Scales, it was a done deal. MT this summer publicly said he was very happy with the business we had done. Perhaps you can ask the club for the factual deals and fees etc, we wish you all the best. |
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Post by madgas on Nov 21, 2024 18:52:25 GMT
I think MT saying he is happy with the business done is an answer to a different question when comparing 2024 to 2018.
2018, under Cogs we signed alot of players that had experience of league football. Largely raided Cov. And the season before we'd added Sercombe and Upson to a squad that had already got us a promotion... the expectation back then was slow/ steady improvement. There were very few signings where we were hoping to make big money.
2024, we've signed a bunch of players with potential. The squad is much younger. And the design is that 1 or 2 of them have a breakout season and become profitable. Its just totally different.
The expectation- is well... "fill in the blank" because the oweners gave not sold us a version.
Very hard to understand how good our recruitment is without that context.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 21, 2024 19:16:05 GMT
Perhaps these sats explain the differences between the two manager/squads: www.transfermarkt.co.uk/bristol-rovers/durchschnittsalter/verein/2455By chance MT was bemoaning last week the fact we've only two players in the 25 to 29 age bracket, as apparently that age group are usually the fitness i.e. have learnt how to deal with niggling injuries. |
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Post by roadman on Nov 21, 2024 19:34:02 GMT
I think MT saying he is happy with the business done is an answer to a different question when comparing 2024 to 2018. 2018, under Cogs we signed alot of players that had experience of league football. Largely raided Cov. And the season before we'd added Sercombe and Upson to a squad that had already got us a promotion... the expectation back then was slow/ steady improvement. There were very few signings where we were hoping to make big money. 2024, we've signed a bunch of players with potential. The squad is much younger. And the design is that 1 or 2 of them have a breakout season and become profitable. Its just totally different. The expectation- is well... "fill in the blank" because the oweners gave not sold us a version. Very hard to understand how good our recruitment is without that context. Wilson, Hunt, Taylor, Martin, Lindsay, Ward, Mola, Moore, Sinclair, Griffthis (played in front of massive crowds), McCormick……some serious experienced pros here and even the younger ones all played over 100 FL games. If I’m doing a Smithy and adding in random managers, thank god Fergie knew how to use the class of 91 😂👏🏼 My favourite Portman Road day to wind up Smithy, Rollin and Alfie ay the back that day in a 3 👍 |
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Post by Smithy Gas on Nov 21, 2024 22:43:51 GMT
I think MT saying he is happy with the business done is an answer to a different question when comparing 2024 to 2018. 2018, under Cogs we signed alot of players that had experience of league football. Largely raided Cov. And the season before we'd added Sercombe and Upson to a squad that had already got us a promotion... the expectation back then was slow/ steady improvement. There were very few signings where we were hoping to make big money. 2024, we've signed a bunch of players with potential. The squad is much younger. And the design is that 1 or 2 of them have a breakout season and become profitable. Its just totally different. The expectation- is well... "fill in the blank" because the oweners gave not sold us a version. Very hard to understand how good our recruitment is without that context. Wilson, Hunt, Taylor, Martin, Lindsay, Ward, Mola, Moore, Sinclair, Griffthis (played in front of massive crowds), McCormick……some serious experienced pros here and even the younger ones all played over 100 FL games. If I’m doing a Smithy and adding in random managers, thank god Fergie knew how to use the class of 91 😂👏🏼 My favourite Portman Road day to wind up Smithy, Rollin and Alfie ay the back that day in a 3 👍 Suspect he used the class of 91 rather sparingly to be fair… 😉 |
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