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Post by madgas on Nov 20, 2024 11:36:59 GMT
I think I'd argue that the OP is a little misleading. I think the circumstances are quite different.
Coughlan had a squad of his signings, his players. Alot of experience is listed in that starting 11. He found JCH who was scoring for fun. The team had a real identity, it was sh** football but we were challenging at the top end of the division. Furthermore it was arguably- even more negative from the stands. We lost DC. That was sad- his understudy took the job. Coughlans daughter was getting abuse online. He was never popular despite an incredible record.
By contrast MT replaced a manager alot wanted out. The transfer process is more collaborative. The players are more inexperienced. And our league position doesn't give him authority to challenge the support offered.
Also, I don't think what Coughlan did ever worked. I don't remember fans ever really warming to him.
For any faults MT might have- being more GC isn't the answer.
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Post by roadman on Nov 20, 2024 12:58:25 GMT
For any faults MT might have- being more GC isn't the answer. MT at the start of the season said he was over the moon with the work Friend and the club had done with signings. Many clubs now in football and certainly at the top level give managers players to coach. He has some trusted pros from last season, he likes Wilson, he got new contracts for Martin and Sinclair, he also got in Lindsay. He’s rebelled against the owners and played Hunt, let’s not make out it’s not his side, Cogs inherited players and made people like Tony Craig better who struggled under DC. Grant Ward is like inheriting Sercombe………Cogs made Nichols look better, Rollin defended, Alfie was a rock, Upson grafted, name a player MT has made to look better in the last 12 months? We’ve had wins, he’s never united the fan base and asked for support like Cogs. He’s never ever said he loves his players and they are doing everything for him. |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 20, 2024 13:07:38 GMT
For any faults MT might have- being more GC isn't the answer. MT at the start of the season said he was over the moon with the work Friend and the club had done with signings. Many clubs now in football and certainly at the top level give managers players to coach. He has some trusted pros from last season, he likes Wilson, he got new contracts for Martin and Sinclair, he also got in Lindsay. He’s rebelled against the owners and played Hunt, let’s not make out it’s not his side, Cogs inherited players and made people like Tony Craig better who struggled under DC. Grant Ward is like inheriting Sercombe………Cogs made Nichols look better, Rollin defended, Alfie was a rock, Upson grafted, name a player MT has made to look better in the last 12 months? We’ve had wins, he’s never united the fan base and asked for support like Cogs. He’s never ever said he loves his players and they are doing everything for him. You can sense he’s not particularly happy with Omochere signed as a goal scorer, at least that what I’ve read into a few of his recent comments. |
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Post by gascloud on Nov 20, 2024 13:20:58 GMT
MT at the start of the season said he was over the moon with the work Friend and the club had done with signings. Many clubs now in football and certainly at the top level give managers players to coach. He has some trusted pros from last season, he likes Wilson, he got new contracts for Martin and Sinclair, he also got in Lindsay. He’s rebelled against the owners and played Hunt, let’s not make out it’s not his side, Cogs inherited players and made people like Tony Craig better who struggled under DC. Grant Ward is like inheriting Sercombe………Cogs made Nichols look better, Rollin defended, Alfie was a rock, Upson grafted, name a player MT has made to look better in the last 12 months? We’ve had wins, he’s never united the fan base and asked for support like Cogs. He’s never ever said he loves his players and they are doing everything for him. You can sense he’s not particularly happy with Omochere signed as a goal scorer, at least that what I’ve read into a few of his recent comments. Can’t blame him really. Very disappointing start to his Rovers career. |
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Post by roadman on Nov 20, 2024 14:24:22 GMT
MT at the start of the season said he was over the moon with the work Friend and the club had done with signings. Many clubs now in football and certainly at the top level give managers players to coach. He has some trusted pros from last season, he likes Wilson, he got new contracts for Martin and Sinclair, he also got in Lindsay. He’s rebelled against the owners and played Hunt, let’s not make out it’s not his side, Cogs inherited players and made people like Tony Craig better who struggled under DC. Grant Ward is like inheriting Sercombe………Cogs made Nichols look better, Rollin defended, Alfie was a rock, Upson grafted, name a player MT has made to look better in the last 12 months? We’ve had wins, he’s never united the fan base and asked for support like Cogs. He’s never ever said he loves his players and they are doing everything for him. You can sense he’s not particularly happy with Omochere signed as a goal scorer, at least that what I’ve read into a few of his recent comments. Yes this is a good point but then Carl Saunders was a right back at Stoke and Thierry Henry was signed as a winger. It’s down to the manager to coach, I keep using the word “coach” a player and make him better, we all see Promise tries. He and Raúl both scored goals in league one last season, they both look miles off the pace. I look at Luke Thomas and others, players are looking worse. It’s not like the strikers are missing chance after chance like Andy Williams did or Matty Taylor at times. We simply don’t create chances, both wide men come inside, WSM, Lincoln, Crawley, in the regular 90 mins of each game we’ve scored 2 goals and this includes against a part time side. Cogs last few weeks as manager, 4 goals at home v Southend, 4 goals away at Shrews, 2 goals at Portman Road. Martin never controlled a ball against Lincoln, but he’d not missing sitters or getting byline chances given to him on a plate. Would JCH thrive under MT like he did under Cogs, I think we all know the answer to this. As I keep saying, Cogs knew his ingredients and baked a good cake, this current manager is handing out food poisoning and fans ain’t coming to watch games. |
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Post by sodburygas on Nov 20, 2024 14:59:54 GMT
Coughlan produced the worst football to watch I've seen in my time watching Rovers. Credit to Coughlan for the results he got nobody can knock his record while he was here but it was awful to watch, very similar to how Wycombe played under Ainsworth. As for people turning up to watch you are incorrect Roadman. His last home game aginst Southend attendance was 6,797. Taylor last home game 7,411 so despite winning football fans weren't turning up to watch due to shocking style of football.
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Post by yattongas on Nov 20, 2024 15:15:54 GMT
You can sense he’s not particularly happy with Omochere signed as a goal scorer, at least that what I’ve read into a few of his recent comments. Yes this is a good point but then Carl Saunders was a right back at Stoke and Thierry Henry was signed as a winger. It’s down to the manager to coach, I keep using the word “coach” a player and make him better, we all see Promise tries. He and Raúl both scored goals in league one last season, they both look miles off the pace. I look at Luke Thomas and others, players are looking worse. It’s not like the strikers are missing chance after chance like Andy Williams did or Matty Taylor at times. We simply don’t create chances, both wide men come inside, WSM, Lincoln, Crawley, in the regular 90 mins of each game we’ve scored 2 goals and this includes against a part time side. Cogs last few weeks as manager, 4 goals at home v Southend, 4 goals away at Shrews, 2 goals at Portman Road. Martin never controlled a ball against Lincoln, but he’d not missing sitters or getting byline chances given to him on a plate. Would JCH thrive under MT like he did under Cogs, I think we all know the answer to this. As I keep saying, Cogs knew his ingredients and baked a good cake, this current manager is handing out food poisoning and fans ain’t coming to watch games. My take ( as an old centre forward) is he’s not really suited as a focal point striker with his back to goal . His touch isn’t deft enough to link play quickly ( see C Martin for a good example). Think he’d be much better being able to use his physical strength running at players from outside coming in. You can tell he’s not a natural finisher and you can coach to improve this aspect but he’ll never be one . You’ve either got it or you haven’t. still think he could be successful with us but played in a different role. |
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Post by roadman on Nov 20, 2024 15:17:07 GMT
Coughlan produced the worst football to watch I've seen in my time watching Rovers. Credit to Coughlan for the results he got nobody can knock his record while he was here but it was awful to watch, very similar to how Wycombe played under Ainsworth. As for people turning up to watch you are incorrect Roadman. His last home game aginst Southend attendance was 6,797. Taylor last home game 7,411 so despite winning football fans weren't turning up to watch due to shocking style of football. I can’t deny fans stopped going as well under Cogs but this was on the DC sacking and the Al Qadi balloon had popped. We also took 1200 to Portman Road the next week and I do think whilst sitting in the play offs, Cogs would have brought the fans back in. I think Barton did bring fans back and the 7-0 season was this and it increased season ticket sales. I’ve said Cogs is an average manager and the football wasn’t great, but he was paid to coach and he made Tony Craig, Rollin, Kilgour, Clarke, Ogogo, Upson, Nichols look good etc. I don’t think JCH scores 24 goals in 42 appearances under Matt Taylor. Current top scorers Promise Omochere 14 2 Scott Sinclair 13 2 Jamie Lindsay 12 2 Shaqai Forde 11 2 |
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Post by roadman on Nov 20, 2024 15:25:21 GMT
Yes this is a good point but then Carl Saunders was a right back at Stoke and Thierry Henry was signed as a winger. It’s down to the manager to coach, I keep using the word “coach” a player and make him better, we all see Promise tries. He and Raúl both scored goals in league one last season, they both look miles off the pace. I look at Luke Thomas and others, players are looking worse. It’s not like the strikers are missing chance after chance like Andy Williams did or Matty Taylor at times. We simply don’t create chances, both wide men come inside, WSM, Lincoln, Crawley, in the regular 90 mins of each game we’ve scored 2 goals and this includes against a part time side. Cogs last few weeks as manager, 4 goals at home v Southend, 4 goals away at Shrews, 2 goals at Portman Road. Martin never controlled a ball against Lincoln, but he’d not missing sitters or getting byline chances given to him on a plate. Would JCH thrive under MT like he did under Cogs, I think we all know the answer to this. As I keep saying, Cogs knew his ingredients and baked a good cake, this current manager is handing out food poisoning and fans ain’t coming to watch games. My take ( as an old centre forward) is he’s not really suited as a focal point striker with his back to goal . His touch isn’t deft enough to link play quickly ( see C Martin for a good example). Think he’d be much better being able to use his physical strength running at players from outside coming in. You can tell he’s not a natural finisher and you can coach to improve this aspect but he’ll never be one . You’ve either got it or you haven’t. still think he could be successful with us but played in a different role. Good post this but one of his goals he rolled the defender and scored, you remember, back to goal? How often do we role the ball into a striker on the penalty spot with his back to goal? |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 20, 2024 15:28:40 GMT
My take ( as an old centre forward) is he’s not really suited as a focal point striker with his back to goal . His touch isn’t deft enough to link play quickly ( see C Martin for a good example). Think he’d be much better being able to use his physical strength running at players from outside coming in. You can tell he’s not a natural finisher and you can coach to improve this aspect but he’ll never be one . You’ve either got it or you haven’t. still think he could be successful with us but played in a different role. Good post this but one of his goals he rolled the defender and scored, you remember, back to goal? How often do we role the ball into a striker on the penalty spot with his back to goal? Yes good goal, shame he doesn’t do it more often! 😂 |
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Post by Hudson1883 on Nov 20, 2024 15:40:41 GMT
I loved walking out of the Mem with 3 points in the bag most weeks, this includes away matches where we were also very handy.
Victories against Shrewsbury, Wimbledon & Ipswich in the smash & grab strip will live long in the memory.
Yet i also recall listening to radio Bristol on the way home from said home matches & the amount of callers on a regular basis who would complain about the style of football under GC (despite ticking off win after win) was to me, utterly crazy.
They would whinge to Geoff & crowds dropping into the 6,000’s yet we were creeping our way to 3rd in League One.
Certainly a strange time in our recent history.
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Post by percy on Nov 20, 2024 15:49:04 GMT
So the one thing that doesnt change is whinging football fans
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Post by wertongas on Nov 20, 2024 15:52:16 GMT
And MT can’t do this, I actually felt sad seeing Graham ask for support. He was in no different position to Taylor as now, Hani was trying to sell the club, Hamer and Wael were at war. He mentions the fans on his back, he also says we are onto to something and that day at Portman Road in December we saw it. Cogs was turned down on Liam Scales, he had the politics as well but he just did his job and used the players he had at his disposal. I keep saying the manager is the PR spokesman and the marketing manager for the club all rolled into one. Our team that day and now we have a side with over £1.5 million in paid transfer fees……… BRISTOL ROVERS Jaakkola Mark Little Tony Craig Alfie Kilgour Luke Leahy Abu Ogogo Liam Sercombe Ollie Clarke Ed Upson Rollin Menayese Victor Adeboyejo SUBS Jordi van Stappershoef Tareiq Holmes-Dennis Michael Kelly Alex Rodman Tom Nichols Tyler Smith Kyle Bennett I agree with what you said, GC played to the teams strengths, he inherited a poor team low on confidence, but with just a few signings managed to turn the team around. I can remember the game against Southend when we game back from 2- 0 down to win 4 -2 , a Notts Forest fan with me said it was one of the best games he had seen, I had to agree. I think by the time GC was leaving the teams performances were improving, but unfortunately he did not get the support he deserved, a shame because after he left things went down hill and we really haven't recovered. GC seemed a nice bloke who was passionate about his club. |
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Post by roadman on Nov 20, 2024 15:55:55 GMT
Good post this but one of his goals he rolled the defender and scored, you remember, back to goal? How often do we role the ball into a striker on the penalty spot with his back to goal? Yes good goal, shame he doesn’t do it more often! 😂 We don’t give the poor lad or any of our strikers service. You look at Cogs, long ball into JCH, likes of Nichols and midfield feeding off him. Our first tactic with MT isn’t even long ball, it’s 2 CDM’s protecting the defence and why most teams hit 60% possession against us. Cogs wanted the ball away from the defence, it was all about the second ball win and Ogogo, Upson and Sercs pressing for it. You never see Conteh, Lindsay or Ward sat on the opposition defence and midfield, ours are sat in front of our own defence. As the previous poster said, some memorable away days with Cogs, he was 10 unbeaten when he left and as he said on the original video on this thread, we are building something and he was. 4 points adrift when he took over, his way of keeping us up was terrible football, I still don’t think it’s a crime and in the end it turned out to be winning football with goals. Tisdale and Barton had a go at keeping us up, they both failed, Graham didn’t. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 20, 2024 19:02:30 GMT
I loved walking out of the Mem with 3 points in the bag most weeks, this includes away matches where we were also very handy. Victories against Shrewsbury, Wimbledon & Ipswich in the smash & grab strip will live long in the memory. Yet i also recall listening to radio Bristol on the way home from said home matches & the amount of callers on a regular basis who would complain about the style of football under GC (despite ticking off win after win) was to me, utterly crazy. They would whinge to Geoff & crowds dropping into the 6,000’s yet we were creeping our way to 3rd in League One. Certainly a strange time in our recent history. Pretty sure most fans don't watch a game just to see their team win, they like to be entertained, if not every team would just go down the Wycombe route. Watching JB's side in L2 was what most fans want to see, a side playing attractive football, scoring goals and winning games, not the rubbish football GC's side mainly produced. |
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Post by roadman on Nov 20, 2024 19:23:21 GMT
I loved walking out of the Mem with 3 points in the bag most weeks, this includes away matches where we were also very handy. Victories against Shrewsbury, Wimbledon & Ipswich in the smash & grab strip will live long in the memory. Yet i also recall listening to radio Bristol on the way home from said home matches & the amount of callers on a regular basis who would complain about the style of football under GC (despite ticking off win after win) was to me, utterly crazy. They would whinge to Geoff & crowds dropping into the 6,000’s yet we were creeping our way to 3rd in League One. Certainly a strange time in our recent history. Pretty sure most fans don't watch a game just to see their team win, they like to be entertained, if not every team would just go down the Wycombe route. Watching JB's side in L2 was what most fans want to see, a side playing attractive football, scoring goals and winning games, not the rubbish football GC's side mainly produced. Have you ever wondered why we’ve never got close to regular gates close to our stadium capacity over a sustained period? We’ve never averaged 9,000 plus a season for the whole season. We’ve seen some of the best football I’ve ever seen under Holloway. All our promotion sides have played good football since we’ve been back in Bristol, that’s 4 promotions in over 25 years with three managers?!?! We don’t have success, we don’t very often see winning football, the last time we finished in the Div1 play offs was 1998……….winning successful football attracts fans, also investment and sponsorship. Those Wycombe fans were delirious when they beat Oxford in the play off final, a local rival, did they care about hoof ball and then 4 years of parachute payments? Wycombe now top of the league on those 🪂 payments. We’ve got fans with champagne taste on beer money, who do we think we are to demand great passing football with a budget most of the time outside the top 8 in Div1? |
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Post by roadman on Nov 20, 2024 19:34:55 GMT
Cogs last 5 games in charge for us…….
26 October 201915 Bristol Rovers 2–2 Portsmouth
2 November 201916 Rochdale 1–2 Bristol Rovers
23 November 201917 Shrewsbury Town 3–4 Bristol Rovers
7 December 201918 Bristol Rovers 4–2 Southend United
14 December 201919 Ipswich Town 1–2 Bristol Rovers
I just post the truth and clear honest data, on his last game we were a proper play off side in mid December. After stabilising us from relegation, his side finally gelled and people are fixated on the performances he had in still to keep us up.
12 league goals here in 5 games, unbeaten, in between these cup games as well, he was 10 unbeaten. Away wins, holding the likes of Pompey who finished 5th that season.
Topper doesn’t just go to see winning football, I have to respect his opinion, I’m desperate for some success and would take the 🪂’s a well, see Wycombe today.
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Post by Smithy Gas on Nov 20, 2024 19:51:09 GMT
Cogs last 5 games in charge for us……. 26 October 201915 Bristol Rovers 2–2 Portsmouth 2 November 201916 Rochdale 1–2 Bristol Rovers 23 November 201917 Shrewsbury Town 3–4 Bristol Rovers 7 December 201918 Bristol Rovers 4–2 Southend United 14 December 201919 Ipswich Town 1–2 Bristol Rovers I just post the truth and clear honest data, on his last game we were a proper play off side in mid December. After stabilising us from relegation, his side finally gelled and people are fixated on the performances he had in still to keep us up. 12 league goals here in 5 games, unbeaten, in between these cup games as well, he was 10 unbeaten. Away wins, holding the likes of Pompey who finished 5th that season. Topper doesn’t just go to see winning football, I have to respect his opinion, I’m desperate for some success and would take the 🪂’s a well, see Wycombe today. And then the silly lady garden decided to hand his notice in and now he manages Boston. Great move. State all the facts you like, we will never know how that season would have panned out as he needed to get home for his cottage pie. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 20, 2024 20:04:13 GMT
Cogs last 5 games in charge for us……. 26 October 201915 Bristol Rovers 2–2 Portsmouth 2 November 201916 Rochdale 1–2 Bristol Rovers 23 November 201917 Shrewsbury Town 3–4 Bristol Rovers 7 December 201918 Bristol Rovers 4–2 Southend United 14 December 201919 Ipswich Town 1–2 Bristol Rovers I just post the truth and clear honest data, on his last game we were a proper play off side in mid December. After stabilising us from relegation, his side finally gelled and people are fixated on the performances he had in still to keep us up. 12 league goals here in 5 games, unbeaten, in between these cup games as well, he was 10 unbeaten. Away wins, holding the likes of Pompey who finished 5th that season. Topper doesn’t just go to see winning football, I have to respect his opinion, I’m desperate for some success and would take the 🪂’s a well, see Wycombe today. If you're sole interest is watching winning football have you ever thought that you might be supporting the wrong club, as for the size of the city/fan base Rovers must be one of the biggest under performers, as far as success is concerned, in the EFL? According to Wiki Wycombe's average attendance is down almost 10% this season, so even their fans aren't queuing up to watch them. If one of the aims of the owners is to develop young players I doubt they'll ever support going down the GC route and if there's any truth in Bergkamp & co taking over the club you'd imagine they'll have a very similar view. |
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Post by Colyton Gas on Nov 20, 2024 20:11:06 GMT
Best display I saw under GC was a great 4 3 win at Shrewsbury.Magnificent lob by Sercs was pure class.Sercs released far too soon.
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