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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 20, 2024 20:16:11 GMT
Best display I saw under GC was a great 4 3 win at Shrewsbury. Magnificent lob by Sercs was pure class. Sercs released far too soon. Not man fans thought that at the time and he clearly didn't fit the BG model. |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Nov 20, 2024 20:45:16 GMT
MT at the start of the season said he was over the moon with the work Friend and the club had done with signings. Many clubs now in football and certainly at the top level give managers players to coach. He has some trusted pros from last season, he likes Wilson, he got new contracts for Martin and Sinclair, he also got in Lindsay. He’s rebelled against the owners and played Hunt, let’s not make out it’s not his side, Cogs inherited players and made people like Tony Craig better who struggled under DC. Grant Ward is like inheriting Sercombe………Cogs made Nichols look better, Rollin defended, Alfie was a rock, Upson grafted, name a player MT has made to look better in the last 12 months? We’ve had wins, he’s never united the fan base and asked for support like Cogs. He’s never ever said he loves his players and they are doing everything for him. You can sense he’s not particularly happy with Omochere signed as a goal scorer, at least that what I’ve read into a few of his recent comments. I think you're getting a bit carried away saying that Cogs made Tony Craig better! His set up may have played more to TC's strengths, Alfie credits playing alongside TC having a big part as to why his game improved. I think that Cog's Sergeant Major style certainly go the players giving their all for him, MT didn't manage that earlier in the season - the players seemed to have upped their game when they thought that somebody else might be brought in. |
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Post by roadman on Nov 20, 2024 21:01:20 GMT
Cogs last 5 games in charge for us……. 26 October 201915 Bristol Rovers 2–2 Portsmouth 2 November 201916 Rochdale 1–2 Bristol Rovers 23 November 201917 Shrewsbury Town 3–4 Bristol Rovers 7 December 201918 Bristol Rovers 4–2 Southend United 14 December 201919 Ipswich Town 1–2 Bristol Rovers I just post the truth and clear honest data, on his last game we were a proper play off side in mid December. After stabilising us from relegation, his side finally gelled and people are fixated on the performances he had in still to keep us up. 12 league goals here in 5 games, unbeaten, in between these cup games as well, he was 10 unbeaten. Away wins, holding the likes of Pompey who finished 5th that season. Topper doesn’t just go to see winning football, I have to respect his opinion, I’m desperate for some success and would take the 🪂’s a well, see Wycombe today. And then the silly lady garden decided to hand his notice in and now he manages Boston. Great move. State all the facts you like, we will never know how that season would have panned out as he needed to get home for his cottage pie. You must be confused, I wasn’t stating the facts to say where we’d finish that season. I was stating we scored 12 league goals in his last 5 games with 1200 of us (I was there) seeing a great win at Portman Road. MT’s last 5 games, 6 goals (3 against Burton)…….we will never know where we’d have finished that season, what’s your view where we will finish this season? Ironically that season, the Covid season, us sitting in the play offs, Fleetwood got in the back door on PPG ratio, it would have probably been our best chance since Holloway………Garner took the same squad to a 14th finish on 1.29ppg. The Covid league table, Barton got in on 1.71ppg Rotherham went up second on 1.77ppg When Cogs left us that season, we were on 1.79ppg |
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Post by madgas on Nov 20, 2024 21:36:07 GMT
For any faults MT might have- being more GC isn't the answer. MT at the start of the season said he was over the moon with the work Friend and the club had done with signings. Many clubs now in football and certainly at the top level give managers players to coach. He has some trusted pros from last season, he likes Wilson, he got new contracts for Martin and Sinclair, he also got in Lindsay. He’s rebelled against the owners and played Hunt, let’s not make out it’s not his side, Cogs inherited players and made people like Tony Craig better who struggled under DC. Grant Ward is like inheriting Sercombe………Cogs made Nichols look better, Rollin defended, Alfie was a rock, Upson grafted, name a player MT has made to look better in the last 12 months? We’ve had wins, he’s never united the fan base and asked for support like Cogs. He’s never ever said he loves his players and they are doing everything for him. I think you're blurring too much. Of course Cogs loved his players, they were well over achieving? You have to handle the reality of the situation. We haven't had a moment for MT to push for something. I mean- in theory alot of players have improved? Wilson looks twice the player of last season. Mola, Bilingo. Many rate Conteh. Add 2018 JCH and we're towards the top of this division. I dunno, I think Taylor deserves criticism but it's a really odd comparison... very specific. You're comparing a manager whose had a poor management career during the very short time he had successful for us. Its also a call for arms that didn't work. I felt the fan base got irrated by Cogs constantly crying for more love. |
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Post by roadman on Nov 20, 2024 21:59:32 GMT
MT at the start of the season said he was over the moon with the work Friend and the club had done with signings. Many clubs now in football and certainly at the top level give managers players to coach. He has some trusted pros from last season, he likes Wilson, he got new contracts for Martin and Sinclair, he also got in Lindsay. He’s rebelled against the owners and played Hunt, let’s not make out it’s not his side, Cogs inherited players and made people like Tony Craig better who struggled under DC. Grant Ward is like inheriting Sercombe………Cogs made Nichols look better, Rollin defended, Alfie was a rock, Upson grafted, name a player MT has made to look better in the last 12 months? We’ve had wins, he’s never united the fan base and asked for support like Cogs. He’s never ever said he loves his players and they are doing everything for him. I think you're blurring too much. Of course Cogs loved his players, they were well over achieving? You have to handle the reality of the situation. We haven't had a moment for MT to push for something. I mean- in theory alot of players have improved? Wilson looks twice the player of last season. Mola, Bilingo. Many rate Conteh. Add 2018 JCH and we're towards the top of this division. I dunno, I think Taylor deserves criticism but it's a really odd comparison... very specific. You're comparing a manager whose had a poor management career during the very short time he had successful for us. Its also a call for arms that didn't work. I felt the fan base got irrated by Cogs constantly crying for more love. Mola and Billingo are both in and out of the side, at Burton Mola’s goal covered up for a terrible performance. Do I really have to bring up Leahy now and how Cogs utilised him at Portman Road that day? If Billingo and Mola are being used as examples of a good season so far, we are in for a relegation fight. Many rate Conteh, rate or say he’s playing well? He was better last season when he first came in. And you think JCH 2018 has us flying up the table, our top scorer is Lindsay, Promise and Raul don’t get any service. I often wonder what some of our fans watch, we are averaging 1 goal a game. And the Wilson example, incredible, he just joined us as captain of promotion winning side Plymouth, he hasn’t made a 35 year old better, he just got back to somewhere he should be. We need the young players to improve, haven’t you read the manual, we are buy to sell club now! |
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Post by gascloud on Nov 20, 2024 22:12:59 GMT
Oh and I was at Rochdale for that victory in those last 5 games of cogs. Great start to the game but absolutely played off the par for 75 minutes after. I was furious with the win because of the way we played this whole subject is ludicrous and see no comparison what so ever, or the point of the thread.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 20, 2024 22:17:35 GMT
It's all well and good having an obvious dislike for MT but we have no direct control over who manages the side, in a perfect world MT will leave if we lose on Saturday, but we don't live in a perfect world.
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Post by madgas on Nov 20, 2024 22:59:02 GMT
I think you're blurring too much. Of course Cogs loved his players, they were well over achieving? You have to handle the reality of the situation. We haven't had a moment for MT to push for something. I mean- in theory alot of players have improved? Wilson looks twice the player of last season. Mola, Bilingo. Many rate Conteh. Add 2018 JCH and we're towards the top of this division. I dunno, I think Taylor deserves criticism but it's a really odd comparison... very specific. You're comparing a manager whose had a poor management career during the very short time he had successful for us. Its also a call for arms that didn't work. I felt the fan base got irrated by Cogs constantly crying for more love. Mola and Billingo are both in and out of the side, at Burton Mola’s goal covered up for a terrible performance. Do I really have to bring up Leahy now and how Cogs utilised him at Portman Road that day? If Billingo and Mola are being used as examples of a good season so far, we are in for a relegation fight. Many rate Conteh, rate or say he’s playing well? He was better last season when he first came in. And you think JCH 2018 has us flying up the table, our top scorer is Lindsay, Promise and Raul don’t get any service. I often wonder what some of our fans watch, we are averaging 1 goal a game. And the Wilson example, incredible, he just joined us as captain of promotion winning side Plymouth, he hasn’t made a 35 year old better, he just got back to somewhere he should be. We need the young players to improve, haven’t you read the manual, we are buy to sell club now! It's bizarrely specific- one game leahy played well vs another. Mola certainly hasn't been in or out the side. League games he's started 90%. It's just a totally bizarre comparison. A snapshot in time of a largely failed football manager vs now. I'm all for critique... I just really don't see the relavence here. Of team you list- none of them played higher than league one. That would be a real problem if the same were to apply to the current squad. And the issue would be with the DoF. Its apples and oranages. |
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Post by yattongas on Nov 20, 2024 23:22:43 GMT
Mola and Billingo are both in and out of the side, at Burton Mola’s goal covered up for a terrible performance. Do I really have to bring up Leahy now and how Cogs utilised him at Portman Road that day? If Billingo and Mola are being used as examples of a good season so far, we are in for a relegation fight. Many rate Conteh, rate or say he’s playing well? He was better last season when he first came in. And you think JCH 2018 has us flying up the table, our top scorer is Lindsay, Promise and Raul don’t get any service. I often wonder what some of our fans watch, we are averaging 1 goal a game. And the Wilson example, incredible, he just joined us as captain of promotion winning side Plymouth, he hasn’t made a 35 year old better, he just got back to somewhere he should be. We need the young players to improve, haven’t you read the manual, we are buy to sell club now! It's bizarrely specific- one game leahy played well vs another. Mola certainly hasn't been in or out the side. League games he's started 90%. It's just a totally bizarre comparison. A snapshot in time of a largely failed football manager vs now. I'm all for critique... I just really don't see the relavence here. Of team you list- none of them played higher than league one. That would be a real problem if the same were to apply to the current squad. And the issue would be with the DoF. It’s apples and oranages. It’s an odd comparison going back to Cogs to try and prove a point. Not sure I really understand what Roadie is getting at. Looking forward to Saturday, really tough away fixture and hopefully we turn up . |
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Post by Smithy Gas on Nov 20, 2024 23:53:36 GMT
And then the silly lady garden decided to hand his notice in and now he manages Boston. Great move. State all the facts you like, we will never know how that season would have panned out as he needed to get home for his cottage pie. You must be confused, I wasn’t stating the facts to say where we’d finish that season. I was stating we scored 12 league goals in his last 5 games with 1200 of us (I was there) seeing a great win at Portman Road. MT’s last 5 games, 6 goals (3 against Burton)…….we will never know where we’d have finished that season, what’s your view where we will finish this season? Ironically that season, the Covid season, us sitting in the play offs, Fleetwood got in the back door on PPG ratio, it would have probably been our best chance since Holloway………Garner took the same squad to a 14th finish on 1.29ppg. The Covid league table, Barton got in on 1.71ppg Rotherham went up second on 1.77ppg When Cogs left us that season, we were on 1.79ppg Did you go to Portman Rd? Do tell us more how wonderful it was… It’s a bloody odd hill to die on. As far as my recollection goes everyone was just coming round to him with that win and then he threw it all away. So beyond that why bother with hypothetical PPG bollocks about what could have happened because it didn’t. I was at the Madjeski stadium when we won 6-0 away all those years ago. Scored a lot then as well. Guess what? Still didn’t get promoted and still absolutely no relevance to our current situation. As for this season? We will finish mid table. Win enough at home, lose a lot away. People will be bored as we ain’t smashing the granny out of anyone every week but we look like what we are - an average stodgy league 1 side. Personally think we’ve got a touch of the Southgate at the Euros about us at the moment (except we aren’t good enough for finals!). Doesn’t matter what MT does, the fans don’t like him even if he’s getting results and some of what he does on the pitch also exacerbates the situation - sitting back and defending leads, changing to 3 at the back. He’s a defender first and foremost. Anyway, tell us more about Portman Road? |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 21, 2024 3:20:53 GMT
Coughlan produced the worst football to watch I've seen in my time watching Rovers. Credit to Coughlan for the results he got nobody can knock his record while he was here but it was awful to watch, very similar to how Wycombe played under Ainsworth. As for people turning up to watch you are incorrect Roadman. His last home game aginst Southend attendance was 6,797. Taylor last home game 7,411 so despite winning football fans weren't turning up to watch due to shocking style of football. That's a fair statistical comment, but not necessarily fair accurate on it's own analogy. Many attendances fall in peak holiday times, school holiday periods, opposition draw, stagnant times in season or fans affected by financial concerns. The defensive style of GC wasn't easy on the eye for some that want to see fast flowing football and spectacular goals....but if you value hard endeavour, defensive lines, hard to beat, team ethic and constant running, physicality in competition and jch which summed most of this up.... it wasn't all that bad. Like I said, Sunderland away was a good example of this. Southend was hardly a crowd draw, was it? But the 6700 fans....well, how many more might have turned up later in season if we were going for promotion/play offs? |
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Post by roadman on Nov 21, 2024 5:52:12 GMT
You must be confused, I wasn’t stating the facts to say where we’d finish that season. I was stating we scored 12 league goals in his last 5 games with 1200 of us (I was there) seeing a great win at Portman Road. MT’s last 5 games, 6 goals (3 against Burton)…….we will never know where we’d have finished that season, what’s your view where we will finish this season? Ironically that season, the Covid season, us sitting in the play offs, Fleetwood got in the back door on PPG ratio, it would have probably been our best chance since Holloway………Garner took the same squad to a 14th finish on 1.29ppg. The Covid league table, Barton got in on 1.71ppg Rotherham went up second on 1.77ppg When Cogs left us that season, we were on 1.79ppg Did you go to Portman Rd? Do tell us more how wonderful it was… It’s a bloody odd hill to die on. As far as my recollection goes everyone was just coming round to him with that win and then he threw it all away. So beyond that why bother with hypothetical PPG bollocks about what could have happened because it didn’t. I was at the Madjeski stadium when we won 6-0 away all those years ago. Scored a lot then as well. Guess what? Still didn’t get promoted and still absolutely no relevance to our current situation. As for this season? We will finish mid table. Win enough at home, lose a lot away. People will be bored as we ain’t smashing the granny out of anyone every week but we look like what we are - an average stodgy league 1 side. Personally think we’ve got a touch of the Southgate at the Euros about us at the moment (except we aren’t good enough for finals!). Doesn’t matter what MT does, the fans don’t like him even if he’s getting results and some of what he does on the pitch also exacerbates the situation - sitting back and defending leads, changing to 3 at the back. He’s a defender first and foremost. Anyway, tell us more about Portman Road? I’m out, you lost me here with the Southgate comparison, mate, you really to take a look at yourself before telling a poster is about to die on a hill with his opinion. I’m one of the 26,000 ESTC members, when I was a member in Germany this summer there was 12,000 of us, before he took over it was 7,000, they call it the Gareth Southgate effect. I witnessed 5 of our 7 games in Germany, the only thing in common they have is they both like playing 2 CDM’s. One united a squad pool of players and a supporter base behind the team, the other has never ever united a fan base or squad. I was also at Reading that day, Mark McKeever put in a Cole Palmer performance 👍 *Noted your mid table finish, I hope you are right and I would take this now, I also hope you are not on Everest in a t shirt on this one. |
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Post by roadman on Nov 21, 2024 6:08:59 GMT
Sorry this Southgate line has astounded me, I mean he came in for Big Sam and a continuation of failing managers and united everything. We did well at major tournaments going deep into them, he lost finals, people used to sing the Atomic Kitten song about him.
People questioned his tactics, I did at times in Germany but he went with team bonding and them being united to get wins over tactics. We all saw the Carsley, I will pick what the nation wants against Greece at Wembley a few weeks ago, it was a disaster.
Do we ever sing our managers name in the last 12 months or have a song for him?……….I remember the “we’ve got Super Joey Barton” (I never sang it)
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Post by Hudson1883 on Nov 21, 2024 8:01:11 GMT
I loved walking out of the Mem with 3 points in the bag most weeks, this includes away matches where we were also very handy. Victories against Shrewsbury, Wimbledon & Ipswich in the smash & grab strip will live long in the memory. Yet i also recall listening to radio Bristol on the way home from said home matches & the amount of callers on a regular basis who would complain about the style of football under GC (despite ticking off win after win) was to me, utterly crazy. They would whinge to Geoff & crowds dropping into the 6,000’s yet we were creeping our way to 3rd in League One. Certainly a strange time in our recent history. Pretty sure most fans don't watch a game just to see their team win, they like to be entertained, if not every team would just go down the Wycombe route. Watching JB's side in L2 was what most fans want to see, a side playing attractive football, scoring goals and winning games, not the rubbish football GC's side mainly produced. I can’t speak for anyone else. But playing well and failing to win doesn’t give me any personal joy or satisfaction at all. |
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Post by rememberhalifax on Nov 21, 2024 8:06:20 GMT
It's all well and good having an obvious dislike for MT but we have no direct control over who manages the side, in a perfect world MT will leave if we lose on Saturday, but we don't live in a perfect world. Really? |
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Post by roadman on Nov 21, 2024 10:54:28 GMT
Pretty sure most fans don't watch a game just to see their team win, they like to be entertained, if not every team would just go down the Wycombe route. Watching JB's side in L2 was what most fans want to see, a side playing attractive football, scoring goals and winning games, not the rubbish football GC's side mainly produced. I can’t speak for anyone else. But playing well and failing to win doesn’t give me any personal joy or satisfaction at all. I’m the same as you, this isn’t a dig and I think it comes down to expectations and ambition in life. Yeah it’s great seeing my mates on a Saturday or Tuesday at the Mem, but I see some of these now away from Rovers socially as well. If us playing hoofball gets me to go to Wolves, Everton or Palace away next season and the guarantee of 4 years 🪂 payments to financially help the club, I will take it every single game!……..the poster is obviously the sort to have a good day out with his mates, see fast flowing football and finish mid table most seasons, that’s his choice and we have to respect this. And yeah I’d love to go to Ashton Gate next season, 💩🏠 a 1-0 away win playing CogsBall singing “one team in Bristol”. Each to their own I guess. |
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Post by roadman on Nov 21, 2024 10:57:04 GMT
When did we last play Bristol City in a league game, this preferred route of style/brand of football is doing us well isn’t it.
🍾 taste on 🍺 money comes to mind.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Nov 21, 2024 12:28:52 GMT
Don't forget Cogs was already a coach here and knew the players
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Post by Smithy Gas on Nov 21, 2024 12:30:46 GMT
Sorry this Southgate line has astounded me, I mean he came in for Big Sam and a continuation of failing managers and united everything. We did well at major tournaments going deep into them, he lost finals, people used to sing the Atomic Kitten song about him. People questioned his tactics, I did at times in Germany but he went with team bonding and them being united to get wins over tactics. We all saw the Carsley, I will pick what the nation wants against Greece at Wembley a few weeks ago, it was a disaster. Do we ever sing our managers name in the last 12 months or have a song for him?……….I remember the “we’ve got Super Joey Barton” (I never sang it) Okay, if we make it less about you (again) for a minute I'll explain what I mean. As you couldn't help but tell us you've been a travel club member for however long you surely weren't oblivious to the constant moans about Southgate's tactics throughout his tenure?! The bloke had a pint glass lobbed at his head before leading us to another final this summer FFS. If you want to go full comparison (beyond a couple of holding midfielders, protecting a slow backline by playing three at the back etc) take it back to the start. He was essentially vilified for getting the job in the first place, nobody wanted him and it was only when he got to a WC Semi Final when people finally started to sing him name - I was one of them. But even then, people said it was in spite of Southgate, easy side of the draw etc. 2020 Euros - same thing. Easy draw, home tournament etc. we should have won (I was also at that final - is this how it works?!) and he "put the handbrake on" after taking an early lead. 2022 World Cup - Again, abused for not going for it against the French. 2024 Euros - Aforementioned pint at the head, his time is up, tactics are stifling the team. We made another final FFS! Despite an unprecedented run of English success in tournaments he wasn't ever universally loved and if you think that was the case you had your blinkers on. Bring it back to Matt Taylor. I don't think he'll get 8 years like Southgate but I think if he did they are similar characters and he would probably galvanise the club if given the chance. He would probably play similar attritional football which wouldn't be universally liked but may get results which in turn may get most people on board (probably similar to Cogs but he never stayed to find out...). He had four years at Exeter and they were pretty happy with how he left them and the football he was playing there - remember him comprehensively beating us a couple of times and scoring a few goals. Still, We will probably lose a few games now, he'll be gone and we'll spiral down to League 2 again. Maybe we can hire Holloway or Coughlan again. |
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Post by roadman on Nov 21, 2024 12:52:35 GMT
I’m reading this to my Rovers mate who I go with to watch England and we are laughing. It’s day trippers who throw the pint glasses, the same ones flying out and sniffing coke in front of you in the stands and toilets. Real England fans appreciated what he did, there is no such thing as an easy draw, it is what it is and we still beat teams like Germany.
Your ignorance to what he did is astonishing, we never made a final since 1966 and our best WC finish was the Semi’s in 1990. We’ve had a golden generation, we’ve had Owen and Rooney, none of these players could get us to a final or managers.
He lost on penalties to Italy, it happens. He lost to Spain who are serial trophy winners in the last 2 decades.
He united a squad of players, he united a footballing nation behind the national team. His failing was a public demand for a trophy going back to Badiel and Skinner doing a song in 96, you know how it goes and because 1966 was nearly 60 years ago.
To even use him as an example against MT is absurd. We lose 5-0 to Swindon and our manager has a public breakdown to the Media. A man like Southgate at times was vilified by the media, he was dignified and never threw his toys out of the pram.
I can’t debate you anymore, mentioned I was an ESTC member only because you used the most idiotic reference against our failing manager.
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