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Jun 23, 2014 19:12:39 GMT
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Post by Hugo Admin on Jun 23, 2014 19:12:39 GMT
Well I for one prefer the wellington lot because they are at least making plans, moving things forward and letting us know about it through email and forums stuff. Being kept in the loopy loop is nice. About time brisca gave an update probably. Maybe. What do I know I just rub the cornhole of the internet. And not very well either come to that.
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Jun 23, 2014 19:13:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 19:13:28 GMT
Horrific place isn't it. "the cornhole of the internet" Lol it doesnt have to be all or nothing, pros and cons with both, i enjoy them equally. |
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Jun 23, 2014 19:14:42 GMT
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Post by peterparker on Jun 23, 2014 19:14:42 GMT
Sorry KP, I fail to see any hostility here, just open debate. One poster mentioned a personal preference to the Unnamed group over BRISA and likened it to having a forum preference. No one has said anything negative at all about either forum on this thread. Please don't make problems where there were not any. Both forums can co-exist quite happily and many people use both. This is about how people feel is the right way to improve the water poor state we find ourselves in, not what forum we like. I would add though, that any group is going to be seen as divisive and will cause splits and infighting. No matter how good the intentions of the people or how hard they work. And no matter what their aims and objectives are. You only have to look at the SC. To some they are brilliant. They help fans to away games, the organize the 50/50, they have fans directors on the board they work hard, love the club and want whats best for BRFC. how great is that?! To others they are rose tinted suck ups who roll over so the BOD can tickle their tummy. I don't have the answers. I can only assume the comments above are mentioning mine, and I fail to see how I created hostility. I made it very clear it is a PERSONAL PREFERENCE... I don't think there's anything wrong with having one. There are ways I wish to support the club right now and there are ways that I am as a person and i have a preference! Can't see the problem! Personal preference absolutley, i just didnt understand and dont how you came to your conclusion of you prefer the way Marks group want to do things when BRISA havent presented anything as of yet. I have no agenda either way and am not going to try and promote one over the other. I will do my best to attend the meeting on the 1st and i hope one or both groups are succesful with what they acheive providing all objectives are sane |
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Jun 23, 2014 19:15:53 GMT
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Post by Hugo Admin on Jun 23, 2014 19:15:53 GMT
Leave the forum bullshit for a moment. There are three groups so far as far as I can see. BRISCA, the Wellington lot and those who don't give a * either way. Updates from Brisca are few and far between, I'm not wholly sure what they are about, what they have done, plan to do etc. That's only because I have yet to be told. I have however been well informed about the wellington posse. Think we just need more communication. RAS I want to love BRISCA but i dont. Thats because i helped RAFC with good intentions so saw how those kind of things get gunned down by both the board, supporters club and your average bemused fan. I also feel it should have been the sort of organisation to grow out of the wellington meetings rather then a couple of guys set up a group and then seek dialogue. Doesnt feel the right way round  I dont think there is hostility between the two groups but the two forums. Many of the people i know and respect on the IF went to both meetings. I do think there is a danger of the groups being seen to belong to the different forums which is not true as they belong to the fans. That is a bit silly I think. I think you'll find the majority of people who went to the wellington thing were from the IF. Equally, the majority of brisca are also from the IF! I have said before we will not host any protest group here. What I choose to support, I do so independently. Keeping people informed is fine. |
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Post by newmarketgas on Jun 23, 2014 19:17:03 GMT
INTERNET FRIENDS........Big thumbs up !
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Post by pirate49 on Jun 23, 2014 19:17:20 GMT
On behalf of the 'Welly lot' can I just say that as time passes emotions die down.
We felt that that must not happen given the dire state that this club is in.
Therefore we got off our arses and organised a meeting...simple as.
We've worked our socks off making contact with the local press...and are continuing to do so.
Our aim is simple; to somehow get our club to be better led so that our decline can be reversed.
At our second meeting we intend to move forward on that path.
There are no hidden agendas...no egos at play...we just don't want our club to disappear down the pan!
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Post by Hugo Admin on Jun 23, 2014 19:17:58 GMT
INTERNET FRIENDS........Big thumbs up ! cornholing through thick and thin. |
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Jun 23, 2014 19:19:07 GMT
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Post by Hugo Admin on Jun 23, 2014 19:19:07 GMT
On behalf of the 'Welly lot' can I just say that as time passes emotions die down. We felt that that must not happen given the dire state that this club is in. Therefore we got off our arses and organised a meeting...simple as. We've worked our socks off making contact with the local press...and are continuing to do so. Our aim is simple; to somehow get our club to be better led so that our decline can be reversed. At our second meeting we intend to move forward on that path. There are no hidden agendas...no egos at play...we just don't want our club to disappear down the pan! may I suggest you give yourself that name on the first or you shall forever be known as any particular derivative of the wellington! |
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Jun 23, 2014 19:57:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 19:57:38 GMT
Or infighting. There are obviously preferences made here at a personal level and it's a shame that there has been some daft stuff said already. water up and brewery. There is hostility by many on gaschat as Gasheads is seen as purely anti board yet it is not the case. I have yet to feel any such hostility in the other direction. This is not a competition between forums people. If there is to be any success in a tangible attempt to engage with a board who are openly hostile to the very idea, it will mean putting aside any perceived differences. Just reading this thread shows how quickly some can misread the piece in the paper. We need to make a concerted effort to stand united in our aims and that will mean standing together and not arguing over semantics. I think it can be done. Sorry KP, I fail to see any hostility here, just open debate. One poster mentioned a personal preference to the Unnamed group over BRISA and likened it to having a forum preference. No one has said anything negative at all about either forum on this thread. Please don't make problems where there were not any. Both forums can co-exist quite happily and many people use both. This is about how people feel is the right way to improve the water poor state we find ourselves in, not what forum we like. I would add though, that any group is going to be seen as divisive and will cause splits and infighting. No matter how good the intentions of the people or how hard they work. And no matter what their aims and objectives are. You only have to look at the SC. To some they are brilliant. They help fans to away games, the organize the 50/50, they have fans directors on the board they work hard, love the club and want whats best for BRFC. how great is that?! To others they are rose tinted suck ups who roll over so the BOD can tickle their tummy. I don't have the answers. I wasn't trying to start anything Hugo but more hoping that we can all get along. I was referring to when the gaschat had downtime. |
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Jun 23, 2014 20:01:49 GMT
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Post by lockleazer on Jun 23, 2014 20:01:49 GMT
On behalf of the 'Welly lot' can I just say that as time passes emotions die down. We felt that that must not happen given the dire state that this club is in. Therefore we got off our arses and organised a meeting...simple as. We've worked our socks off making contact with the local press...and are continuing to do so. Our aim is simple; to somehow get our club to be better led so that our decline can be reversed. At our second meeting we intend to move forward on that path. There are no hidden agendas...no egos at play...we just don't want our club to disappear down the pan! Thia is what's great welly have had a fans meeting ... another planned and are getting out there. .. brisa have been busy sorting legals to form membership and admin... perfect to bring together seeing as the aims appear to be the same... promoting fan and club unity via an independent voice and overall the desire to improve the welfare of OUR football club .. whilst fans persist in their own bickering our club is dying ... join together and work as fans on 1 independent fans group to help our club .. the sc do a great job selling tickets away travel ect but its not possible for them to be a seperate entity that can ask questions about the club. . |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 20:26:14 GMT
I'm a bit confused by the arguments because there is no argument; is there?
Is there room for two groups "battling" for the same fans at different events? Absolutely not.
Are the objectives pretty much the same; yes without doubt.
Is there an open door for both to come together; yes without doubt.
I think that is what a few are putting forward; isn't it? I'm not sure there is any other way forward; is there?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 20:36:00 GMT
Leave the forum bullshit for a moment. There are three groups so far as far as I can see. BRISCA, the Wellington lot and those who don't give a * either way. Updates from Brisca are few and far between, I'm not wholly sure what they are about, what they have done, plan to do etc. That's only because I have yet to be told. I have however been well informed about the wellington posse. Think we just need more communication. RAS I want to love BRISCA but i dont. Thats because i helped RAFC with good intentions so saw how those kind of things get gunned down by both the board, supporters club and your average bemused fan. I also feel it should have been the sort of organisation to grow out of the wellington meetings rather then a couple of guys set up a group and then seek dialogue. Doesnt feel the right way round I dont think there is hostility between the two groups but the two forums. Many of the people i know and respect on the IF went to both meetings. I do think there is a danger of the groups being seen to belong to the different forums which is not true as they belong to the fans.Dins Dinsdale
There are a couple of mixed messages there.
The only difference is which you see as the cart and which you see as the horse. The two are exactly the same!!!!!!!!
Now that there is a cart and a horse it should surely be very simple to put the two together?
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Jun 23, 2014 20:55:03 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 20:55:03 GMT
Agreed
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 21:11:55 GMT
Maybe a chance for level headed people to not only unite the fan base but bring a closer understanding between the two forum's personalities?
Are we in this for our own personal gain or that of Bristol Rovers Football Club. BRISA is anything but "anti-board" as some would have it. We are all for bringing the Club and the fans closer.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 21:22:08 GMT
the group who are meeting at the welly need to join forces with the people setting up BRISA theindependent supporters associtaion and form 1 group ... the aims are the same but the BRISA are ready to launch witha clear structure and have the legailittes all sorted already ..2 groups wont work.. unify the fan base ... something the club will never manage to do or seem to want to do... the board are laqughing if 2 groupsw go ahead and fight each other... you try the SC but as was shown its hard work like when i belive Ken Masters was seemingly going to be replaced all of a sudden record votes were placed and Ken got over 700 votes from somewhere... good luck with trying to overthrow the SC reps ... but independance is the way forward IMHO I'm not sure I agree wih the way BRISA want to handle things... But I do however agree with this group. Please may I ask how BRISA want to handle things?
I am directly involved with BRISA and I do not know, exactly, how they will handle things. It has always been made clear that whilst there is an initial framework the membership will decide where the group takes itself.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 21:27:39 GMT
i've not really noticed any difference , the aims appear to be the same ...BRISA have set some aims/princples and a membership scheme means you have a firm database and offical numbers of members and the ability to use a offical vote on matters at hand .... as i say i think the aims are the same you have a group of people with great passion to better the club and bring the fans back closer to the club... surely better to work together as 1 than divide again? what do you belive is the differences between the 2 ? The main difference being the people running them. Ive got faith in those involved with the untitled group. I've seen the way some of those in BRISA speak and it's not for me, I'm afraid. I've seen Mark around the old forum and this one and I think he speaks a lot of sense. It's all a matter of opinion but the way I believe this will be handled suits my way. Who do you think is directly involved with BRISA? Which of the individuals do you feel is speaking differently to how you want them to? What have they said?
Having understood the objectives of both is there a meaningful difference? Other than the way they are going about it? Both will eventually need to have what each other has if this is to be meaningful.
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Jun 23, 2014 21:27:57 GMT
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Post by Hugo Admin on Jun 23, 2014 21:27:57 GMT
Maybe a chance for level headed people to not only unite the fan base but bring a closer understanding between the two forum's personalities?
Are we in this for our own personal gain or that of Bristol Rovers Football Club. BRISA is anything but "anti-board" as some would have it. We are all for bringing the Club and the fans closer.
this isn't about forums mate. Its about pressure groups. As I have said before, this forum is just a forum. A place for people to talk. It will not play host to any kind of pressure group. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 21:47:08 GMT
Maybe a chance for level headed people to not only unite the fan base but bring a closer understanding between the two forum's personalities?
Are we in this for our own personal gain or that of Bristol Rovers Football Club. BRISA is anything but "anti-board" as some would have it. We are all for bringing the Club and the fans closer.
this isn't about forums mate. Its about pressure groups. As I have said before, this forum is just a forum. A place for people to talk. It will not play host to any kind of pressure group. Hi Ras
I'm not quite sure what you read into that? "closer understanding between two forum's personalities"? Are you suggesting I'm criticising either? Your reaction is a bit defensive.
I'm all for differences and I'm also all for people understanding the differences and working together. At the end of the day we all have one aim - as does the formal company which is Bristol Rovers. It is the lack of bridges which is causing the issues.
Guess I might get banned from here if that is how you think. How should I say sorry and apologise to you?
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Jun 23, 2014 21:55:10 GMT
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Post by croscombegas on Jun 23, 2014 21:55:10 GMT
Call me stupid guys , but I'm still trying to work out what either " protest" group or otherwise will be able to achieve with the present BOD's in office. ?
Unless they can get together many millions of ££'s to make the BODs an offer to buy them all out that they can't refuse.
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Post by pirate49 on Jun 23, 2014 22:03:05 GMT
Call me stupid guys , but I'm still trying to work out what either " protest" group or otherwise will be able to achieve with the present BOD's in office. ? Unless they can get together many millions of ££'s to make the BODs an offer to buy them all out that they can't refuse. Realistically the board is not going to step aside, unless one or more decide they've had enough. What we are pressing for is a change in approach and attitude. An acceptance by them that they are the constant element in our decline; that they need new blood and an improved skill set. They must stop keeping us at arm's length, but communicate with, and trust, us. Now many may say that ain't gonna happen. But although outwardly they may keep up the arrogant face, behind the scenes things MIGHT change. We must keep banging on the door; it might just open a little! |
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