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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 6:42:09 GMT
Not today though.He has flopped once again. Yeah, but we didn't win the toss and bat, so what's your point? He scored more than any Australian batsman and equalled their top scorer (extras)...on that pitch, what more do we ask of him? We are in a winning position, which is the best time to give the lad time to settle down. No need for knee-jerk reactions as there really isn't any point in bringing in another inexperienced opener. Sometimes you have to give new players some time. I remember Graham Gooch getting two zeros on his debut, yet he went on and did quite well didn't he? Would tboner have dropped him and never played him again? |
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Post by supergas on Aug 7, 2015 8:59:37 GMT
Yeah, but we didn't win the toss and bat, so what's your point? He scored more than any Australian batsman and equalled their top scorer (extras)...on that pitch, what more do we ask of him? We are in a winning position, which is the best time to give the lad time to settle down. No need for knee-jerk reactions as there really isn't any point in bringing in another inexperienced opener. Sometimes you have to give new players some time. I remember Graham Gooch getting two zeros on his debut, yet he went on and did quite well didn't he? Would tboner have dropped him and never played him again?Yes |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 9:49:33 GMT
If Mark Wood comes out this morning and starts slapping the ball around like a good Nightwatchman can do, then it could be carnage this morning......or the Aussie bowlers learn something from yesterday and skittle out a few Englishmen !
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 10:13:33 GMT
Not today though.He has flopped once again. Yeah, but we didn't win the toss and bat, so what's your point? He scored more than any Australian batsman and equalled their top scorer (extras)...on that pitch, what more do we ask of him? My point is. He is not good enough. If you cant see it. There is no hope |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 10:41:22 GMT
Yeah, but we didn't win the toss and bat, so what's your point? He scored more than any Australian batsman and equalled their top scorer (extras)...on that pitch, what more do we ask of him? My point is. He is not good enough. If you cant see it. There is no hope In the same way that Taylor wasn't good enough for Rovers last season? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 11:19:50 GMT
My point is. He is not good enough. If you cant see it. There is no hope In the same way that Taylor wasn't good enough for Rovers last season? Much the same yes. |
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Post by supergas on Aug 7, 2015 12:13:16 GMT
Yeah, but we didn't win the toss and bat, so what's your point? He scored more than any Australian batsman and equalled their top scorer (extras)...on that pitch, what more do we ask of him? My point is. He is not good enough. If you cant see it. There is no hope So i) who replaces him and ii) how long do they get to establish themselves? Before we go back to him, lets look at the mistakes of the past... Gooch played two tests against the Aussies before being dropped. His average was 9.25. After he went away and proved he could still score in county cricket he was reselected, and after 9 tests his average was 23.27 (less than 1 run per innings better than Lyth). He want on to become the 2nd highest English Test run scorer, as well as scoring the most 50s for England and the most Test runs at Lords (a ground where recently no England player can seem to hit anything...) Sometimes you have to trust the coaches and the selectors for the long-term benefit. And not tbone... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 12:16:09 GMT
and in a winning team, it's always a good idea to drop a player if they're struggling a bit, after all, that can only spread happiness and good feeling amongst the team eh? Nothing better than letting the other players know that if they hit a bad patch, they'll be dropped.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 15:18:45 GMT
Test cricket is riddled with short careers. Paul Parker 1 test. Paul Terry 2, Wilf Slack 3, Matthew Maynard only appeared 4 times and the Hollioake brothers only mustered 6 matches between them. Lyth is in the NOT GOOD ENOUGH boat as those and many others.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 16:04:57 GMT
Test cricket is riddled with short careers. Paul Parker 1 test. Paul Terry 2, Wilf Slack 3, Matthew Maynard only appeared 4 times and the Hollioake brothers only mustered 6 matches between them. Lyth is in the NOT GOOD ENOUGH boat as those and many others. That motivation and encouragement seminar you went on? I'm thinking you should have stayed the whole half hour. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 18:08:32 GMT
Do you think tbone goes through life being out of synch with the rest of the world?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 20:33:31 GMT
Do you think tbone goes through life being out of synch with the rest of the world? I reckon he was told he wasn't good enough by someone. |
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Post by supergas on Aug 13, 2015 0:52:20 GMT
Test cricket is riddled with short careers. Paul Parker 1 test. Paul Terry 2, Wilf Slack 3, Matthew Maynard only appeared 4 times and the Hollioake brothers only mustered 6 matches between them. Lyth is in the NOT GOOD ENOUGH boat as those and many others. So i) who replaces him and ii) how long do they get to establish themselves? Before we go back to him, lets look at the mistakes of the past... Gooch played two tests against the Aussies before being dropped. His average was 9.25. After he went away and proved he could still score in county cricket he was reselected, and after 9 tests his average was 23.27 (less than 1 run per innings better than Lyth). He want on to become the 2nd highest English Test run scorer, as well as scoring the most 50s for England and the most Test runs at Lords (a ground where recently no England player can seem to hit anything...) Sometimes you have to trust the coaches and the selectors for the long-term benefit. And not tbone... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 2:37:07 GMT
Test cricket is riddled with short careers. Paul Parker 1 test. Paul Terry 2, Wilf Slack 3, Matthew Maynard only appeared 4 times and the Hollioake brothers only mustered 6 matches between them. Lyth is in the NOT GOOD ENOUGH boat as those and many others. So i) who replaces him Alex Hales |
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Post by supergas on Aug 14, 2015 23:49:13 GMT
And how many tests do we give a 20-20 specialist to do a job in the five-day game? I respect those who say the 5-day game is dying, but I can't respect those who repeatedly try to force 20-20/ODI (batsmen) specialists into the format...it's not about scoring runs...its really not...it's about getting in, getting comfortable and then scoring runs...'getting in' can take 3 hours, 'getting comfortable can take another hour. The test is won by the batsmen who are batting 4 hours later... I'd play him in the next ten test matches whatever he scores...because he will then help us win the following 30+ test matches.....test cricket is not about picking the best players for any given match, it's about picking the best team to win the current match, the current series and the next series |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 9:40:45 GMT
And how many tests do we give a 20-20 specialist to do a job in the five-day game? I respect those who say the 5-day game is dying, but I can't respect those who repeatedly try to force 20-20/ODI (batsmen) specialists into the format...it's not about scoring runs...its really not...it's about getting in, getting comfortable and then scoring runs...'getting in' can take 3 hours, 'getting comfortable can take another hour. The test is won by the batsmen who are batting 4 hours later... I'd play him in the next ten test matches whatever he scores...because he will then help us win the following 30+ test matches.....test cricket is not about picking the best players for any given match, it's about picking the best team to win the current match, the current series and the next series Yet Hales has a better 1st class average than his limited over average. And probably higher than your hero Lyth |
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Post by supergas on Aug 15, 2015 16:46:35 GMT
And how many tests do we give a 20-20 specialist to do a job in the five-day game? I respect those who say the 5-day game is dying, but I can't respect those who repeatedly try to force 20-20/ODI (batsmen) specialists into the format...it's not about scoring runs...its really not...it's about getting in, getting comfortable and then scoring runs...'getting in' can take 3 hours, 'getting comfortable can take another hour. The test is won by the batsmen who are batting 4 hours later... I'd play him in the next ten test matches whatever he scores...because he will then help us win the following 30+ test matches.....test cricket is not about picking the best players for any given match, it's about picking the best team to win the current match, the current series and the next series Yet Hales has a better 1st class average than his limited over average. And probably higher than your hero Lyth My point still stands though. You can't change every time there is a short run of individual failures, especially when the player is new (ish) and the side is also winning a few matches. Test Cricket isn't about one individuals scores in a match, or even in a series. It's about building a team for the future. Lyth isn't my hero. Couldn't pick him out of a police lineup. But he's the man doing the job at the moment and in Test Cricket he should be given the chance to bed in before he's replaced. It's not like football where you can chop and change every time you start a new 90-minute match. Thankfully the selectors seem to realise this and are building a team not for the next match, not for the next series, but for the next ten series. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2015 17:24:15 GMT
Yet Hales has a better 1st class average than his limited over average. And probably higher than your hero Lyth My point still stands though. You can't change every time there is a short run of individual failures, especially when the player is new (ish) and the side is also winning a few matches. Test Cricket isn't about one individuals scores in a match, or even in a series. It's about building a team for the future. Lyth isn't my hero. Couldn't pick him out of a police lineup. But he's the man doing the job at the moment and in Test Cricket he should be given the chance to bed in before he's replaced. It's not like football where you can chop and change every time you start a new 90-minute match. Thankfully the selectors seem to realise this and are building a team not for the next match, not for the next series, but for the next ten series. You called Hales a 20/20 specialist. I quoted his average statistics for this season,which clearly shows you to be incorrect. Strange how you feel that the useless Lyth deserves a long run.What are your thoughts on the way in which Sam Robson and Nick Compton were discarded? |
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Post by supergas on Aug 15, 2015 17:31:38 GMT
My point still stands though. You can't change every time there is a short run of individual failures, especially when the player is new (ish) and the side is also winning a few matches. Test Cricket isn't about one individuals scores in a match, or even in a series. It's about building a team for the future. Lyth isn't my hero. Couldn't pick him out of a police lineup. But he's the man doing the job at the moment and in Test Cricket he should be given the chance to bed in before he's replaced. It's not like football where you can chop and change every time you start a new 90-minute match. Thankfully the selectors seem to realise this and are building a team not for the next match, not for the next series, but for the next ten series. You called Hales a 20/20 specialist. I quoted his average statistics for this season,which clearly shows you to be incorrect. Strange how you feel that the useless Lyth deserves a long run.What are your thoughts on the way in which Sam Robson and Nick Compton were discarded? Neither were given long enough to try and do the job they were picked to do. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 18:17:09 GMT
You called Hales a 20/20 specialist. I quoted his average statistics for this season,which clearly shows you to be incorrect. Strange how you feel that the useless Lyth deserves a long run.What are your thoughts on the way in which Sam Robson and Nick Compton were discarded? Neither were given long enough to try and do the job they were picked to do. I see your mate done the bizzo again. Out of his depth clearly |
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