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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 4:09:34 GMT
Hales is predominantly a front foot player. Great for one-day cricket. He'd get eaten alive on the Test wickets in SA.
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Post by supergas on Aug 27, 2015 8:52:14 GMT
Hales is predominantly a front foot player. Great for one-day cricket. He'd get eaten alive on the Test wickets in SA. I don't watch enough county cricket to know his strengths and weaknesses, but a good batsman plays to the wicket he's on. Natural game or not, if he's in SA playing test matches he'll have to play a certain way. Why can't we seem to find batsmen who can play the conditions, rather than play a repeat of the last hundred they scored? And further to that, why can't the coaches and even the bowlers help them? The way most of them got out at the Oval and Lords (plus a fair few at Edgbaston and Trent Bridge) was by playing shots you don't need to play in Test Cricket - and the coaches and bowlers know this because at the other end we're using exactly the same policy to take 20 Aussie wickets (by making them play shots they don't want to or don't need to). Not really fussed who's in the team. But they need to learn (quickly) how to play Test Cricket. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2015 8:57:10 GMT
Hales is predominantly a front foot player. Great for one-day cricket. He'd get eaten alive on the Test wickets in SA. I don't watch enough county cricket to know his strengths and weaknesses, but a good batsman plays to the wicket he's on. Natural game or not, if he's in SA playing test matches he'll have to play a certain way. Why can't we seem to find batsmen who can play the conditions, rather than play a repeat of the last hundred they scored? And further to that, why can't the coaches and even the bowlers help them? The way most of them got out at the Oval and Lords (plus a fair few at Edgbaston and Trent Bridge) was by playing shots you don't need to play in Test Cricket - and the coaches and bowlers know this because at the other end we're using exactly the same policy to take 20 Aussie wickets (by making them play shots they don't want to or don't need to). Not really fussed who's in the team. But they need to learn (quickly) how to play Test Cricket. I agree, and hopefully Lyth has been learning those lessons. Bringing Hale in would probably mean him starting at the beginning of that process. The question is, will Lyth learn and adapt, or does he need to be dropped for someone else. Let's not forget that Joe Root had a terrible time last time in Australia. Now, he's probably the first name on the teamsheet, but he had to go through that 'learning process'. |
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Post by supergas on Aug 27, 2015 11:57:46 GMT
I don't watch enough county cricket to know his strengths and weaknesses, but a good batsman plays to the wicket he's on. Natural game or not, if he's in SA playing test matches he'll have to play a certain way. Why can't we seem to find batsmen who can play the conditions, rather than play a repeat of the last hundred they scored? And further to that, why can't the coaches and even the bowlers help them? The way most of them got out at the Oval and Lords (plus a fair few at Edgbaston and Trent Bridge) was by playing shots you don't need to play in Test Cricket - and the coaches and bowlers know this because at the other end we're using exactly the same policy to take 20 Aussie wickets (by making them play shots they don't want to or don't need to). Not really fussed who's in the team. But they need to learn (quickly) how to play Test Cricket. I agree, and hopefully Lyth has been learning those lessons. Bringing Hale in would probably mean him starting at the beginning of that process. The question is, will Lyth learn and adapt, or does he need to be dropped for someone else. Let's not forget that Joe Root had a terrible time last time in Australia. Now, he's probably the first name on the teamsheet, but he had to go through that 'learning process'. Trouble is, Lyth has failed on wickets he's used to...do we trust he can play better on 'foreign' wickets? This is one of the few occasions I'm starting to agree with Tbonegas. He had two series and failed. I would never have supported dropping him for the final test, but that was a good wicket in a dead rubber and he failed twice again. That (for me) was his chance and he blew it... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 16:12:20 GMT
Now I'm waiting for tbone to tell us that because Hales hit three off seven balls in the 20/20 it proves his point about the Test team.
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Post by supergas on Sept 3, 2015 18:33:39 GMT
I assume we now want Roy to open the batting against Pakistan as 67 is more than three times 22???
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Post by supergas on Sept 8, 2015 15:50:04 GMT
You can't use this year alone as a guideline. Lyth has been playing Test cricket against a Test attack. Hales has been milking bowlers in County cricket. That's like comparing apples to pears. If you did that you'd have to replace over half the current English batting line-up ! So Lyth got in to the test team how exactly? Yes , by milking county bowlers. Get real. Its all about current form. Which is currently 13 in internationals this season with a high score of 22...so when do we drop him? |
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Post by supergas on Sept 14, 2015 1:31:46 GMT
So Lyth got in to the test team how exactly? Yes , by milking county bowlers. Get real. Its all about current form. Which is currently 13 in internationals this season with a high score of 22...so when do we drop him? Finished the series averaging 10.6...surprised you weren't calling for his head sooner tbonegas, I felt he was out of his depth a few games back and finishing with 0 and 4 basically proves that... ...given by the end of the third ODI (after returning to his county) Adam Lyth was averaging 66 in 50-over games for Yorkshire I'm surprised you weren't calling for him (on current form) to be brought into the England 50-over team to replace Hayes... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 15:58:16 GMT
Which is currently 13 in internationals this season with a high score of 22...so when do we drop him? Finished the series averaging 10.6...surprised you weren't calling for his head sooner tbonegas, I felt he was out of his depth a few games back and finishing with 0 and 4 basically proves that... ...given by the end of the third ODI (after returning to his county) Adam Lyth was averaging 66 in 50-over games for Yorkshire I'm surprised you weren't calling for him (on current form) to be brought into the England 50-over team to replace Hayes... Not sure what your point is. I mentioned Hales as a possible opener in the Test team. |
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Post by supergas on Sept 18, 2015 23:09:16 GMT
Finished the series averaging 10.6...surprised you weren't calling for his head sooner tbonegas, I felt he was out of his depth a few games back and finishing with 0 and 4 basically proves that... ...given by the end of the third ODI (after returning to his county) Adam Lyth was averaging 66 in 50-over games for Yorkshire I'm surprised you weren't calling for him (on current form) to be brought into the England 50-over team to replace Hayes... Not sure what your point is. I mentioned Hales as a possible opener in the Test team. And my point was that you wanted a Test opener replaced mid-series after some failures, so why not call for his potential replacement to be dropped from the 50-over side for a similar (some might say worse) set of failures? And replaced by Lyth who was currently in-form in 50-over games at county level? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2015 8:40:18 GMT
Not sure what your point is. I mentioned Hales as a possible opener in the Test team. And my point was that you wanted a Test opener replaced mid-series after some failures, so why not call for his potential replacement to be dropped from the 50-over side for a similar (some might say worse) set of failures? And replaced by Lyth who was currently in-form in 50-over games at county level? Because I wasnt talking about limited overs cricket. |
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Post by supergas on Oct 15, 2015 0:24:41 GMT
And my point was that you wanted a Test opener replaced mid-series after some failures, so why not call for his potential replacement to be dropped from the 50-over side for a similar (some might say worse) set of failures? And replaced by Lyth who was currently in-form in 50-over games at county level? Because I wasnt talking about limited overs cricket. So it looks like we were both wrong, the actual answer to the question of 'who should open the batting in Test Matches for England' is "a right-arm offbreak bowler with first innings figures of 30-2-121-0..." |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 5:36:55 GMT
I can only see the highlights in the evening, but this is the type of cricket that is killing Test matches. A dead pitch, terrible conditions (too hot), no crowd, no atmosphere.....It's boring. Just what is the point of playing there?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 7:18:32 GMT
I can only see the highlights in the evening, but this is the type of cricket that is killing Test matches. A dead pitch, terrible conditions (too hot), no crowd, no atmosphere.....It's boring. Just what is the point of playing there? It's been the same for years in this part of the World, 1st Inns 550, 2nd Inns 480, 3rd Inns 300, - no time for the 4th. That's why the Sub-Continent batsmen generally have higher batting averages than the rest of the World. I was watching it yesterday and Bumble was saying the reason why there isn't a crowd there(even though adult tickets cost between £5-£16) is because the ground is in the middle of the dessert with no public transport getting you there. He said Friday is their weekend so the crowd should get better then. Pakistan have to play somewhere, for obvious reasons they can't play at home. I think(and don't quote me on this) they get paid by Abu Dhabi(SP?) to play there. |
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Post by supergas on Oct 15, 2015 8:41:41 GMT
I can only see the highlights in the evening, but this is the type of cricket that is killing Test matches. A dead pitch, terrible conditions (too hot), no crowd, no atmosphere.....It's boring. Just what is the point of playing there? It's been the same for years in this part of the World, 1st Inns 550, 2nd Inns 480, 3rd Inns 300, - no time for the 4th. That's why the Sub-Continent batsmen generally have higher batting averages than the rest of the World. I was watching it yesterday and Bumble was saying the reason why there isn't a crowd there(even though adult tickets cost between £5-£16) is because the ground is in the middle of the dessert with no public transport getting you there. He said Friday is their weekend so the crowd should get better then. Pakistan have to play somewhere, for obvious reasons they can't play at home. I think(and don't quote me on this) they get paid by Abu Dhabi(SP?) to play there. Someone is definitely making some money (or some political power) by having them play there for sure. Yes, it's a stupid place to play Test Cricket and yes (probably) everyone would be better off playing this series at this time of year in England (well, apart from the Pakistani batsmen...) |
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Post by supergas on Oct 15, 2015 11:22:28 GMT
I can only see the highlights in the evening, but this is the type of cricket that is killing Test matches. A dead pitch, terrible conditions (too hot), no crowd, no atmosphere.....It's boring. Just what is the point of playing there? Not quite so sure about this.....you may be right, but if the pitch starts to take spin on days 4 and 5 it could become a great match. Not for us probably, but still a great match... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 11:29:44 GMT
I can only see the highlights in the evening, but this is the type of cricket that is killing Test matches. A dead pitch, terrible conditions (too hot), no crowd, no atmosphere.....It's boring. Just what is the point of playing there? Not quite so sure about this.....you may be right, but if the pitch starts to take spin on days 4 and 5 it could become a great match. Not for us probably, but still a great match... The only way it will spin is if the players run all over it, and they all carry bottle tops in their pockets ! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 11:36:59 GMT
As I type, there has been 232 overs of spin so far in the match.........and not a single wicket. The last session of day three, and only nine wickets have fallen in total. This is boring.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 11:55:43 GMT
Not quite so sure about this.....you may be right, but if the pitch starts to take spin on days 4 and 5 it could become a great match. Not for us probably, but still a great match... The only way it will spin is if the players run all over it, and they all carry bottle tops in their pockets ! The Pakistani bowler has got a warning for running down the pitch, he's been spoken too again about it. This might sound stupid but the way it's going & the way Cook is batting, dare I say the world record could be on..? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2015 12:07:07 GMT
The only way it will spin is if the players run all over it, and they all carry bottle tops in their pockets ! The Pakistani bowler has got a warning for running down the pitch, he's been spoken too again about it. This might sound stupid but the way it's going & the way Cook is batting, dare I say the world record could be on..? England can't win the game, so bat for as long as possible and let Pakistan knacker themselves out in the heat. |
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