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Post by jaggas on Dec 15, 2015 19:16:27 GMT
Blimey cannot believe the over reaction to the world heavyweight champs comments.
I think there have been some really good points made in this thread apart from GGMI who got on his moral high horse.
Aghast made some great points about the persecution of homosexuals in the past and any decent human being would be mortified at the treatment they received.That said I dont think that the Gay Pride marches do the gay community any good whatsoever in a society where they claim to want to be treated as equals.The same goes for the chaps who put on the camp voice and act all effiminate its all false but since TV has been saturated with these types its all seen as normal and I dont think it is.If someone is gay they cannot help it but FFS do away the Julian Clary voice that is put on.
What a male couple get up to is their own business and no one elses concern. Personally I dont like it and I dont like being told that it is perfectly normal and natural when it clearly isn`t.I have no problem with gay couples having the same rights as others when it comes to pensions etc a hard fought for right but correct one.
The adoption debate which inee mentions is a rather contensious issue a child needs two loving parents if the parents happen to the same sex I am not sure that is a great problem.We see examples all the time of hetrosexual couples doing a lousy job bringing up children including adopted children.You can look at the way Elton John has gone about adopting and that doesn`t seem right to me,a man well into his 60s who could have fathered children many times in the past but now chooses to have a child as some kind of fashion accessory.
To sum up homosexuality isn`t the be all in and end all I am sure many gay people are decent human beings who just go about their lives, its just a shame that there is a clamour from the shouty types to force everyone to conform and not be allowed to speak freely about homosexuality.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 15, 2015 20:38:31 GMT
Pretty fair post.
I'm only guessing, but I think some of the overreaction stems from historical necessity.
When any group have been persecuted for a long time it takes a massive swing to counteract that before it undergoes natural correction and becomes accepted normality.
If you look back at early womens rights protesters they were literally willing to die for their cause to gain equal rights for women. How many years on and the glass ceiling still exists but the majority of people see men and women as equal whilst celebrating their differences. Without that early extremism women would still be second class citizens. (I recognize there is still some way to go but I think the extreme elements on both sides have mostly ended)
I think to a dergree the over sensitive PC brigade represents some of that same story. I don't care for political correctness at all, it can actually be quite damaging, however I hope that it will lead to a natural "correction" of extreme views of both pro and anti homosexuality over time.
Some people are always going to be flamboyant and very open but my guess is that eventually the need to be so will no longer exist.
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Post by pirateman on Dec 15, 2015 22:16:09 GMT
Good post Hugo
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2015 23:33:27 GMT
Quick change of heart there ggmi,5 minutes earlier you posted being gay is their choice.Make your mind up! ahh too slow,knees on your ass. Hhmmmm, you seem familiar with the required position. Anything you want to tell us? Ah well blown me cover now so will post my favourite photo of me and ggmi errr stepping out.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 5:05:01 GMT
Looks as though GGMI has some serious naval fluff going on there.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Dec 16, 2015 10:02:39 GMT
Blimey cannot believe the over reaction to the world heavyweight champs comments. I think there have been some really good points made in this thread apart from GGMI who got on his moral high horse.Aghast made some great points about the persecution of homosexuals in the past and any decent human being would be mortified at the treatment they received.That said I dont think that the Gay Pride marches do the gay community any good whatsoever in a society where they claim to want to be treated as equals.The same goes for the chaps who put on the camp voice and act all effiminate its all false but since TV has been saturated with these types its all seen as normal and I dont think it is.If someone is gay they cannot help it but FFS do away the Julian Clary voice that is put on. What a male couple get up to is their own business and no one elses concern. Personally I dont like it and I dont like being told that it is perfectly normal and natural when it clearly isn`t.I have no problem with gay couples having the same rights as others when it comes to pensions etc a hard fought for right but correct one. The adoption debate which inee mentions is a rather contensious issue a child needs two loving parents if the parents happen to the same sex I am not sure that is a great problem.We see examples all the time of hetrosexual couples doing a lousy job bringing up children including adopted children.You can look at the way Elton John has gone about adopting and that doesn`t seem right to me,a man well into his 60s who could have fathered children many times in the past but now chooses to have a child as some kind of fashion accessory. To sum up homosexuality isn`t the be all in and end all I am sure many gay people are decent human beings who just go about their lives, its just a shame that there is a clamour from the shouty types to force everyone to conform and not be allowed to speak freely about homosexuality. Nothing to do with a moral high horse. I am just defending homosexuals as there is no reason to have a problem with them. Unfortunately some people can't accept homosexualsso like Hugo says it takes a massive swing to get people to understand that there is nothing wrong with them and just the way they are. I have and will always defend homosexuals. |
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Post by jaggas on Dec 16, 2015 19:04:07 GMT
So you defend them to go cottaging, hang around mens toilets looking for casual sex, the silly little rainbow flags on the establishments in Old Market and the BBB where the hairy gay bears hang out under the huge picture of a teenager bent over with his buttocks spread?
The fake gays with their Julian Clary put on voices and the OTT campness, the marches where they act all promiscuous and try their hardest to shock people?
The Cottage Inn on Old Market now The Locker Room where blokes pay a membership fee to join and stick their knobs through holes for others to play with or back up on?
You can argue forever that it is normal and many will disagree with you.
The gay blokes who go about their business privately without the put on campness and the seediness deserve no labels or stigma and you will get no argument from me about those folk.
As for Tyson Fury the guy said nothing homophobic nor did he commit any hate crime.The OTT reaction is just pathetic Political Correctness.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 17, 2015 6:03:23 GMT
So you defend them to go cottaging, hang around mens toilets looking for casual sex, the silly little rainbow flags on the establishments in Old Market and the BBB where the hairy gay bears hang out under the huge picture of a teenager bent over with his buttocks spread? The fake gays with their Julian Clary put on voices and the OTT campness, the marches where they act all promiscuous and try their hardest to shock people? The Cottage Inn on Old Market now The Locker Room where blokes pay a membership fee to join and stick their knobs through holes for others to play with or back up on? You can argue forever that it is normal and many will disagree with you. The gay blokes who go about their business privately without the put on campness and the seediness deserve no labels or stigma and you will get no argument from me about those folk. As for Tyson Fury the guy said nothing homophobic nor did he commit any hate crime.The OTT reaction is just pathetic Political Correctness. That is possibly the most ignorant, ill informed and offensive post I've ever read on here. Well done. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Dec 17, 2015 7:01:39 GMT
So you defend them to go cottaging, hang around mens toilets looking for casual sex, the silly little rainbow flags on the establishments in Old Market and the BBB where the hairy gay bears hang out under the huge picture of a teenager bent over with his buttocks spread? The fake gays with their Julian Clary put on voices and the OTT campness, the marches where they act all promiscuous and try their hardest to shock people? The Cottage Inn on Old Market now The Locker Room where blokes pay a membership fee to join and stick their knobs through holes for others to play with or back up on? You can argue forever that it is normal and many will disagree with you. The gay blokes who go about their business privately without the put on campness and the seediness deserve no labels or stigma and you will get no argument from me about those folk. As for Tyson Fury the guy said nothing homophobic nor did he commit any hate crime.The OTT reaction is just pathetic Political Correctness. That is possibly the most ignorant, ill informed and offensive post I've ever read on here. Well done. Agree. I am actually raging at how ignorant that is. I guess of course they love to put it on though. Nothing like making it obvious you are gay so people like this can make you feel like sh** for it! |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 17, 2015 7:25:29 GMT
That is possibly the most ignorant, ill informed and offensive post I've ever read on here. Well done. Agree. I am actually raging at how ignorant that is. I guess of course they love to put it on though. Nothing like making it obvious you are gay so people like this can make you feel like sh** for it! The self deception is strong. No point in fighting it. |
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Post by inee on Dec 17, 2015 12:56:50 GMT
So you defend them to go cottaging, hang around mens toilets looking for casual sex, the silly little rainbow flags on the establishments in Old Market and the BBB where the hairy gay bears hang out under the huge picture of a teenager bent over with his buttocks spread? The fake gays with their Julian Clary put on voices and the OTT campness, the marches where they act all promiscuous and try their hardest to shock people? The Cottage Inn on Old Market now The Locker Room where blokes pay a membership fee to join and stick their knobs through holes for others to play with or back up on? You can argue forever that it is normal and many will disagree with you. The gay blokes who go about their business privately without the put on campness and the seediness deserve no labels or stigma and you will get no argument from me about those folk. As for Tyson Fury the guy said nothing homophobic nor did he commit any hate crime.The OTT reaction is just pathetic Political Correctness. That is possibly the most ignorant, ill informed and offensive post I've ever read on here. Well done. Hugo, what part of that post was incorrect as i would be interested to know, not trying to pish you off but genuinely interested as too what offended you so. |
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Post by inee on Dec 17, 2015 13:04:55 GMT
That is possibly the most ignorant, ill informed and offensive post I've ever read on here. Well done. Agree. I am actually raging at how ignorant that is. I guess of course they love to put it on though. Nothing like making it obvious you are gay so people like this can make you feel like sh** for it! FFs ggmi, really so from your reply one can presume, that gays are born with those gratingly odd voices and actions, they are also born not to walk but to mince, even you can't believe that and must see that those actions are put on for the benefit of others, and it isnt ignorant it an observation of fact. Not sure of your reading skills but you seem to noly read what you want, try reading with an open mind then you might actually see the stuff jagas wrote supporting peoples choice to be gay |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 17, 2015 13:17:10 GMT
That is possibly the most ignorant, ill informed and offensive post I've ever read on here. Well done. Hugo, what part of that post was incorrect as i would be interested to know, not trying to pish you off but genuinely interested as too what offended you so. Where to begin... Massage bars. City road prostitutes. Nightclubs. Lads mags. All heterosexual. They don't represent me or my attitude to being straight do they? It's a very lopsided argument to present one thing and hold it up as a genuine argument against a group and suggest it represents them all and therefore justify your bigotry. It's ridiculous. Gays being openly gay and talking in a camp manner affects no one unless they cross what can be deemed social decency. But again, I would suggest being overly sexualized and outrageous in public is not the sole domain of homosexuals is it? |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Dec 17, 2015 14:05:59 GMT
Hugo, what part of that post was incorrect as i would be interested to know, not trying to pish you off but genuinely interested as too what offended you so. Where to begin... Massage bars. City road prostitutes. Nightclubs. Lads mags. All heterosexual. They don't represent me or my attitude to being straight do they? It's a very lopsided argument to present one thing and hold it up as a genuine argument against a group and suggest it represents them all and therefore justify your bigotry. It's ridiculous. Gays being openly gay and talking in a camp manner affects no one unless they cross what can be deemed social decency. But again, I would suggest being overly sexualized and outrageous in public is not the sole domain of homosexuals is it? It is ridicilous. You can't back up being a homophobe in my opinion and this thread has proven that. |
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Post by inee on Dec 17, 2015 15:55:43 GMT
Where to begin... Massage bars. City road prostitutes. Nightclubs. Lads mags. All heterosexual. They don't represent me or my attitude to being straight do they? It's a very lopsided argument to present one thing and hold it up as a genuine argument against a group and suggest it represents them all and therefore justify your bigotry. It's ridiculous. Gays being openly gay and talking in a camp manner affects no one unless they cross what can be deemed social decency. But again, I would suggest being overly sexualized and outrageous in public is not the sole domain of homosexuals is it? It is ridicilous. You can't back up being a homophobe in my opinion and this thread has proven that. GGMI, I can be whatever i want it's my choice, however unlike yourself i am willing to discuss the matter you on the other hand in the words of paul weller , What a catalyst you turned out to be: Loaded the guns, then you run off home for your tea. Seems you are as ever very good at starting thread and not listening to any opinion but your own ,you told me to f**k off in this thread , asked you to read one of my posts answer a very simple question and gave several reasons why not everyone has your love of gay's, so far you have failed to do so on several occasions, rather than try to engage with people who don't agree you just have a hissy fit, then throw things like racism in a post to divert your unwillingness to discuss anything you don't agree with, unfortunately this just highlights the fact that you are one of the many brainwashed sheep who think that freedom of thought or speech should only be allowed if people agree with your thoughts and opinions. Some of us are grown up enough to realise people have different opinions and one isn't more valid than another and will still engage other in conversation able to put differences aside, take Hugo me and him disagree on many thing but if we meet have no problem chewing the cud for a while. Still as i said earlier you must be losing out on a lot of interesting adult conversation if you talk to people the way you reply in forum threads. |
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Post by inee on Dec 17, 2015 16:10:09 GMT
Hugo, what part of that post was incorrect as i would be interested to know, not trying to pish you off but genuinely interested as too what offended you so. Where to begin... Massage bars. City road prostitutes. Nightclubs. Lads mags. All heterosexual. They don't represent me or my attitude to being straight do they? It's a very lopsided argument to present one thing and hold it up as a genuine argument against a group and suggest it represents them all and therefore justify your bigotry. It's ridiculous. Gays being openly gay and talking in a camp manner affects no one unless they cross what can be deemed social decency. But again, I would suggest being overly sexualized and outrageous in public is not the sole domain of homosexuals is it? I still find it amazing that no one will be jumping up and down at your reply, as like jaggas reply yours is also factual, but because he mentioned gays everybody gets a cob on, i agree with the sexual comment if i want to see a bird with her tits out or beef curtains on display then i will go to a strip club so i agree on the public thing, however i don't feel the need to put on a voice or mice to say look at me im straight. One of my relatives has been shacked up with a dude for donkeys years, he minces and puts on the mincing etc, his boyfriend acts as a normal human being and i have no problems conversing with him however my relation can f**k off till he talks properly, so no the lets act gay stuff is just that an act, One of the few teacher i have any respect for is gay but he never felt the need to mince or talk like he was a bee gee. he just got on with it, in fact if i saw my ex teacher getting a slap on the street i would jump in to help him out no bother, my relative on the other hand. and the funniest bit of all they accept my views on the subject |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 17, 2015 16:52:53 GMT
Yeah, I don't necessarily disagree.
The over camp thing rather than helping the gay cause by being "out and proud and in your face" is actually doing as much harm as homophobia imo.
That said, I'm not super keen on "here's me, here's my tits" or "alpha males" either.
The reason I took issue with Jaggas was due to his earlier assertion that the thought of gay men makes him feel sick. That's patently abusurd but if true surely is the very definition of fear of gay people! His later attempt at justifying it was laughable. It wasn't his views that I found offensive, more that he must think I'm a Dam idiot if he thinks it was a reasoned argument!
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Dec 17, 2015 17:46:39 GMT
Like I said I just don't understand why people wouldn't want to see a gay person happy. I personally think you are looking for ways to back up your homophobia which aren't there.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Dec 17, 2015 17:48:17 GMT
And tbh even discussing if homophobia is right or wrong disgusts me makes me feel sick. This thread wasn't supposed to be about that, it was supposed to be about Tyson Fury.
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Post by jaggas on Dec 17, 2015 19:05:40 GMT
Tyson Fury won the unified world heavyweight championship beating a guy who was unbeaten for 11 years and had more title defences than any other heavyweight in the modern era.Few gave him a chance of winning but he upset the odds by doing exactly what he said he would pre fight.In sporting terms Furys achievements ranks as highly as any other British sportsmans.
There is talk that Fury will get his mouth shut for good by Anthony Joshua which is absurd as the people who know boxing are fully aware that if Joshua were to fight Fury in the near future Fury would clown Joshua and cruise to an easy win as they are miles apart in class and experience.
Fury is the first "Brit" to be unified heavyweight champion for well over a century something British sports fans should be proud of.
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