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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 21, 2016 12:31:25 GMT
But if the house has fallen down you still need some place to live... regardless how it got to that state The Mem isn't great but it's perfectly serviceable and could be improved with relatively low outlay providing we lived within our means. So if you are new to the area and are looking to live in a property would you go to a house north of the river and live in a slum or would you go south of the river and live in a brand new house the only way to attract new people (or punters) would be to offer them up to date toilet facilities not a hole in the ground
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Post by baggins on Jan 21, 2016 12:36:42 GMT
Do we have planning permission to do any improvements at the Mem? It's as achievable as winning this court case. That's that ruined then.
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Post by baggins on Jan 21, 2016 12:38:35 GMT
The Mem isn't great but it's perfectly serviceable and could be improved with relatively low outlay providing we lived within our means. So if you are new to the area and are looking to live in a property would you go to a house north of the river and live in a slum or would you go south of the river and live in a brand new house the only way to attract new people (or punters) would be to offer them up to date toilet facilities not a hole in the ground All toilets lead to a hole in the ground. Unless you chuck it out the window. Or live in a caravan.
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Post by inee on Jan 21, 2016 12:43:16 GMT
The Mem isn't great but it's perfectly serviceable and could be improved with relatively low outlay providing we lived within our means. So if you are new to the area and are looking to live in a property would you go to a house north of the river and live in a slum or would you go south of the river and live in a brand new house the only way to attract new people (or punters) would be to offer them up to date toilet facilities not a hole in the ground north for me as the people in these slums would have a better grasp on reality
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 21, 2016 12:44:45 GMT
The Mem isn't great but it's perfectly serviceable and could be improved with relatively low outlay providing we lived within our means. So if you are new to the area and are looking to live in a property would you go to a house north of the river and live in a slum or would you go south of the river and live in a brand new house the only way to attract new people (or punters) would be to offer them up to date toilet facilities not a hole in the ground Come off it, there are many things that could be done to improve the Mem that would not cost the earth. Tidying up the bars and toilets for example could be done in a matter of weeks and would be cheap. Food vans outside or a pasty stand in the car park. Extend the tent end. (pp may be needed but it's hardly rebuilding the place) shouldn't be too expensive. Move the tractor enclosure and get another temporary tent or extend the west terrace/mirror the family end the other side. Yes, some PP would be needed but let's not start pretending that the Mem HAS to be a dead end.
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Post by baggins on Jan 21, 2016 12:47:17 GMT
So if you are new to the area and are looking to live in a property would you go to a house north of the river and live in a slum or would you go south of the river and live in a brand new house the only way to attract new people (or punters) would be to offer them up to date toilet facilities not a hole in the ground Come off it, there are many things that could be done to improve the Mem that would not cost the earth. Tidying up the bars and toilets for example could be done in a matter of weeks and would be cheap. Food vans outside or a pasty stand in the car park. Extend the tent end. (pp may be needed but it's hardly rebuilding the place) shouldn't be too expensive. Move the tractor enclosure and get another temporary tent or extend the west terrace/mirror the family end the other side. Yes, some PP would be needed but let's not start pretending that the Mem HAS to be a dead end. You're right, just a small outlay could bring it up to a standard everyone can enjoy.
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Post by inee on Jan 21, 2016 12:48:45 GMT
The Mem isn't great but it's perfectly serviceable and could be improved with relatively low outlay providing we lived within our means. Do we have planning permission to do any improvements at the Mem? I think it expire donkeys years ago, so any further pp on the mem should be grantable, but likely to contain so odd bits added by grotbags
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 21, 2016 12:50:39 GMT
So if you are new to the area and are looking to live in a property would you go to a house north of the river and live in a slum or would you go south of the river and live in a brand new house the only way to attract new people (or punters) would be to offer them up to date toilet facilities not a hole in the ground Come off it, there are many things that could be done to improve the Mem that would not cost the earth. Tidying up the bars and toilets for example could be done in a matter of weeks and would be cheap. Food vans outside or a pasty stand in the car park. Extend the tent end. (pp may be needed but it's hardly rebuilding the place) shouldn't be too expensive. Move the tractor enclosure and get another temporary tent or extend the west terrace/mirror the family end the other side. Yes, some PP would be needed but let's not start pretending that the Mem HAS to be a dead end. Not the sort of facilities to attract new people to your house is it though Hugo Today's punters want a bit more than "salmonella on a bun" food outlets They also want somewhere to park close to the stadium they also want to get a way from the stadium in a reasonable time they also want to ability to allow our disabled supporters with their friends & family to have dedicated facilities as well where do we stop ?
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Jan 21, 2016 12:53:51 GMT
I am fairly long suffering but there are plenty who have been gasheads longer than me. When we took ownership of the mem that was a truly momentous and significant time for the club which secured our future, which at the time, could not be taken for granted. Look at what happened at Coventry. We cannot let this happen to us. If we can't own at least a significant amount of the UWE, I would much prefer that we stayed put at the Mem, balanced our books and waited for another opportunity down the line.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 21, 2016 12:53:56 GMT
The Mem isn't great but it's perfectly serviceable and could be improved with relatively low outlay providing we lived within our means. So if you are new to the area and are looking to live in a property would you go to a house north of the river and live in a slum or would you go south of the river and live in a brand new house the only way to attract new people (or punters) would be to offer them up to date toilet facilities not a hole in the ground It doesn't matter how many people we can get in, if the stadium owners can double the rent and insist on a higher percentage of revenues.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Jan 21, 2016 12:54:39 GMT
We really aren't learning the lessons from our history. It would be interesting to know the age split of voters as I am sure that those of us that experienced the very dark days at Eastville, turfed out without a home would want to hang on to the Mem as an asset, rather than jump back as someone else's tenants. Sell Mem , Own UWE stadium (or at least a majority/ controlling share) is the only viable way forward, if we are to move. Look at Coventry's difficulties at the RICOH. We'll see whether a mystery consortium comes forward, but I'll admit to a shift in my own opinion toward step-wise development of the Mem and looking at exploiting more off-field commercial opportunities as we develop. This is absolutely bang on the money. If our Directors had not decided to sell Eastville we would not have been later held to ransom as tenants in an increasingly dilapidated stadium and forced almost out of existence but in any case to play in a non league ground in a different city for 10 years!
If the club had remained in charge of their own destiny with Eastville as an asset we could have benefited from the land sales around it to Tesco and built a modern stadium of significantly greater capacity than we are looking at with the UWE. Our club would be a lot bigger and stronger than it is and the chances are that we would have played at much higher levels, even perhaps the highest level.
Absolutely NO to a sale to become tenants whether that be at the Mem, UWE or Twerton Park!
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 21, 2016 12:59:48 GMT
We really aren't learning the lessons from our history. It would be interesting to know the age split of voters as I am sure that those of us that experienced the very dark days at Eastville, turfed out without a home would want to hang on to the Mem as an asset, rather than jump back as someone else's tenants. Sell Mem , Own UWE stadium (or at least a majority/ controlling share) is the only viable way forward, if we are to move. Look at Coventry's difficulties at the RICOH. We'll see whether a mystery consortium comes forward, but I'll admit to a shift in my own opinion toward step-wise development of the Mem and looking at exploiting more off-field commercial opportunities as we develop. This is absolutely bang on the money. If our Directors had not decided to sell Eastville we would not have been later held to ransom as tenants in an increasingly dilapidated stadium and forced almost out of existence but in any case to play in a non league ground in a different city for 10 years!
If the club had remained in charge of their own destiny with Eastville as an asset we could have benefited from the land sales around it to Tesco and built a modern stadium of significantly greater capacity than we are looking at with the UWE. Our club would be a lot bigger and stronger than it is and the chances are that we would have played at much higher levels, even perhaps the highest level.
Absolutely NO to a sale to become tenants whether that be at the Mem, UWE or Twerton Park!
and if i had won the lottery a few years ago i would have invested in the rovers..... hindsight is a wonderful thing AFTER the event, but as of now, they thought they had done the right thing as then we had no money and about to go out of business.... bit like now
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 21, 2016 13:04:37 GMT
This is absolutely bang on the money. If our Directors had not decided to sell Eastville we would not have been later held to ransom as tenants in an increasingly dilapidated stadium and forced almost out of existence but in any case to play in a non league ground in a different city for 10 years!
If the club had remained in charge of their own destiny with Eastville as an asset we could have benefited from the land sales around it to Tesco and built a modern stadium of significantly greater capacity than we are looking at with the UWE. Our club would be a lot bigger and stronger than it is and the chances are that we would have played at much higher levels, even perhaps the highest level.
Absolutely NO to a sale to become tenants whether that be at the Mem, UWE or Twerton Park!
and if i had won the lottery a few years ago i would have invested in the rovers..... hindsight is a wonderful thing AFTER the event, but as of now, they thought they had done the right thing as then we had no money and about to go out of business.... bit like now But we have the benefit of having been tenants before!
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Jan 21, 2016 13:06:35 GMT
This is absolutely bang on the money. If our Directors had not decided to sell Eastville we would not have been later held to ransom as tenants in an increasingly dilapidated stadium and forced almost out of existence but in any case to play in a non league ground in a different city for 10 years!
If the club had remained in charge of their own destiny with Eastville as an asset we could have benefited from the land sales around it to Tesco and built a modern stadium of significantly greater capacity than we are looking at with the UWE. Our club would be a lot bigger and stronger than it is and the chances are that we would have played at much higher levels, even perhaps the highest level.
Absolutely NO to a sale to become tenants whether that be at the Mem, UWE or Twerton Park!
and if i had won the lottery a few years ago i would have invested in the rovers..... hindsight is a wonderful thing AFTER the event, but as of now, they thought they had done the right thing as then we had no money and about to go out of business.... bit like now Hindsight is ONLY a wonderful thing if you learn from it! We weren't going bust then and we aren't now. Many of the directors were against the sale in 1940 at a much undervalued price.
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Post by inee on Jan 21, 2016 13:08:27 GMT
I guess it mostly depends on the terms of the deal, but if they want to make a healthy return on their investment then someone will be losing out. Do you own your own home? If so, why don't you just leave that home and rent a bigger house? Coz it's a sh** idea. Otherwise you would have done it, right? But if your house is about to fall down and needs a bucket load of money just to make it habitable, you would move out into something else better.... In reality i would look at the house as if you have been there you would be attached to it, i would look at its period features(blackthorn) and retain these as modern houses are just character less boxes(uwe), i would then list urgent works and see if these would need to be done or if they would be incorporated in any extentions those urgent works would be done, then the extensions would be done. This would then give me a house retaining the important period period features whilst bringing the whole house to a safe efficient place which will stand for another 100 years and be more cost efficient to run, along with modern energy efficiency. If we apply this back to the club, work has already started on the structure, now it needs to start on stadium works , extend the blackthorn by a tier or two and incorporate the side to make it bigger same with the stands and build a properstructure in the tent end
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Post by baggins on Jan 21, 2016 13:11:25 GMT
We really aren't learning the lessons from our history. It would be interesting to know the age split of voters as I am sure that those of us that experienced the very dark days at Eastville, turfed out without a home would want to hang on to the Mem as an asset, rather than jump back as someone else's tenants. Sell Mem , Own UWE stadium (or at least a majority/ controlling share) is the only viable way forward, if we are to move. Look at Coventry's difficulties at the RICOH. We'll see whether a mystery consortium comes forward, but I'll admit to a shift in my own opinion toward step-wise development of the Mem and looking at exploiting more off-field commercial opportunities as we develop. This is absolutely bang on the money. If our Directors had not decided to sell Eastville we would not have been later held to ransom as tenants in an increasingly dilapidated stadium and forced almost out of existence but in any case to play in a non league ground in a different city for 10 years!
If the club had remained in charge of their own destiny with Eastville as an asset we could have benefited from the land sales around it to Tesco and built a modern stadium of significantly greater capacity than we are looking at with the UWE. Our club would be a lot bigger and stronger than it is and the chances are that we would have played at much higher levels, even perhaps the highest level.
Absolutely NO to a sale to become tenants whether that be at the Mem, UWE or Twerton Park!
Worth pointing out that that was a different set of Directors back then, when it was sorted on a handshake.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 21, 2016 13:18:03 GMT
and if i had won the lottery a few years ago i would have invested in the rovers..... hindsight is a wonderful thing AFTER the event, but as of now, they thought they had done the right thing as then we had no money and about to go out of business.... bit like now Hindsight is ONLY a wonderful thing if you learn from it! We weren't going bust then and we aren't now. Many of the directors were against the sale in 1940 at a much undervalued price. may be wrong here, but did the Stevens family not have an interest in the BOD then ? The same Stevens family that owned the greyhound company ?? The Greyhound company that got the stadium from the Rovers ?
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Post by curlywurly on Jan 21, 2016 13:20:42 GMT
But the house hasn't fallen down and is not going to for many years to come. It also has lots of room for expansion and plans that were accepted for development, even if these need to be scaled down and resubmitted. you starting to sound like Paul Buckle..... Now that's just plain insulting!!!
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 21, 2016 13:24:03 GMT
you starting to sound like Paul Buckle..... Now that's just plain insulting!!! lol - sorry it was a bit below the belt(buckle)....
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Post by oldtoteender on Jan 21, 2016 13:25:40 GMT
So if you are new to the area and are looking to live in a property would you go to a house north of the river and live in a slum or would you go south of the river and live in a brand new house the only way to attract new people (or punters) would be to offer them up to date toilet facilities not a hole in the ground All toilets lead to a hole in the ground. Unless you chuck it out the window. Or live in a caravan. Hmm i thought they all (Toilets) led to Trashton gate.
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