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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 21, 2016 13:29:47 GMT
Hindsight is ONLY a wonderful thing if you learn from it! We weren't going bust then and we aren't now. Many of the directors were against the sale in 1940 at a much undervalued price. may be wrong here, but did the Stevens family not have an interest in the BOD then ? The same Stevens family that owned the greyhound company ?? The Greyhound company that got the stadium from the Rovers ? Aren't you know arguing against yourself that the only way forward is renting the UWE? What happens if we say agree a 20 year rent now at a reasonable figure, then the UWE decide they can make more money from a Law School on the new staduim site when our lease expires, we're back to Eastville again having to leave because we can't afford the rent? However that's never going to happen at the Mem as long as our debts remain managable.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 13:31:02 GMT
Come off it, there are many things that could be done to improve the Mem that would not cost the earth. Tidying up the bars and toilets for example could be done in a matter of weeks and would be cheap. Food vans outside or a pasty stand in the car park. Extend the tent end. (pp may be needed but it's hardly rebuilding the place) shouldn't be too expensive. Move the tractor enclosure and get another temporary tent or extend the west terrace/mirror the family end the other side. Yes, some PP would be needed but let's not start pretending that the Mem HAS to be a dead end. Not the sort of facilities to attract new people to your house is it though Hugo Today's punters want a bit more than "salmonella on a bun" food outlets They also want somewhere to park close to the stadium they also want to get a way from the stadium in a reasonable time they also want to ability to allow our disabled supporters with their friends & family to have dedicated facilities as well where do we stop ? Seems to work for Liverpool, Everton, pompey, Manu, Chelsea etc in terms of outside infrastructure. Granted Chelsea have a tube station. The interior tarting up can be achieved for low cost though. It shouldn't be hard to franchise a decent catering company rather than run a super 5hit one. UWE is nothing more than a few glossy phots in the bar.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 21, 2016 13:36:21 GMT
Come off it, there are many things that could be done to improve the Mem that would not cost the earth. Tidying up the bars and toilets for example could be done in a matter of weeks and would be cheap. Food vans outside or a pasty stand in the car park. Extend the tent end. (pp may be needed but it's hardly rebuilding the place) shouldn't be too expensive. Move the tractor enclosure and get another temporary tent or extend the west terrace/mirror the family end the other side. Yes, some PP would be needed but let's not start pretending that the Mem HAS to be a dead end. Not the sort of facilities to attract new people to your house is it though Hugo Today's punters want a bit more than "salmonella on a bun" food outlets They also want somewhere to park close to the stadium they also want to get a way from the stadium in a reasonable time they also want to ability to allow our disabled supporters with their friends & family to have dedicated facilities as well where do we stop ? They also want somewhere to park close to the stadium Given the choice I bet most fans would like a quick exit from the Mem than 1 hour plus in Oxford car park? They also want to ability to allow our disabled supporters with their friends & family to have dedicated facilities as well Whilst it would be nice surely they are cheaper options for the club than spending £30m on a new staduim? Under MT/KS a redveloped Mem was viable why has it now become not viable, because NH doesn't get his loans repaid if we stay at the Mem? Although I agree the chance of us getting pp at the Mem are probable now slim unless we can turn the Mem Gates arguement in our favour seeing as Radice is so knew to retain the gates/ground?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 21, 2016 13:38:37 GMT
may be wrong here, but did the Stevens family not have an interest in the BOD then ? The same Stevens family that owned the greyhound company ?? The Greyhound company that got the stadium from the Rovers ? Aren't you know arguing against yourself that the only way forward is renting the UWE? What happens if we say agree a 20 year rent now at a reasonable figure, then the UWE decide they can make more money from a Law School on the new staduim site when our lease expires, we're back to Eastville again having to leave because we can't afford the rent? However that's never going to happen at the Mem as long as our debts remain managable. No i want us to OWN the UWE lock stock and 2 smoking barrels. My point is to attract new punters we need to give something better than a sh*t tip of a stadium. Spending money on the mem is not going to happen without planning... can you see that with the shower of tree huggers we have now ? So to stay at the Mem and stay a lower tier team with no investment or maybe have an up to to date complex with a hope of better times to come.... I know what i want and it ain't in a sh*t tip of a stadium
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Post by baggins on Jan 21, 2016 13:40:09 GMT
Aren't you know arguing against yourself that the only way forward is renting the UWE? What happens if we say agree a 20 year rent now at a reasonable figure, then the UWE decide they can make more money from a Law School on the new staduim site when our lease expires, we're back to Eastville again having to leave because we can't afford the rent? However that's never going to happen at the Mem as long as our debts remain managable. No i want us to OWN the UWE lock stock and 2 smoking barrels. My point is to attract new punters we need to give something better than a sh*t tip of a stadium. Spend ing money on the mem is not going to happen with out planning... can you see that with the shower of tree huggers we have now ? So to stay at the Mem and stay a lower tier team with no investment or maybe have an up to to date complex with a hope of better times to come.... I know what i want and it ain't in a sh*t tip of a stadium Best cross your fingers for next week then.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 21, 2016 13:47:25 GMT
No i want us to OWN the UWE lock stock and 2 smoking barrels. My point is to attract new punters we need to give something better than a sh*t tip of a stadium. Spend ing money on the mem is not going to happen with out planning... can you see that with the shower of tree huggers we have now ? So to stay at the Mem and stay a lower tier team with no investment or maybe have an up to to date complex with a hope of better times to come.... I know what i want and it ain't in a sh*t tip of a stadium Best cross your fingers for next week then. i think we all know whats going to happen next week and it won't be good news... i also fear that Nick Higgs Plan B may involve other parties building the UWE and the "Consortium" is no more so its the Sh*t tip for the future then
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 21, 2016 13:59:48 GMT
Aren't you know arguing against yourself that the only way forward is renting the UWE? What happens if we say agree a 20 year rent now at a reasonable figure, then the UWE decide they can make more money from a Law School on the new staduim site when our lease expires, we're back to Eastville again having to leave because we can't afford the rent? However that's never going to happen at the Mem as long as our debts remain managable. No i want us to OWN the UWE lock stock and 2 smoking barrels. My point is to attract new punters we need to give something better than a sh*t tip of a stadium. Spend ing money on the mem is not going to happen with out planning... can you see that with the shower of tree huggers we have now ? So to stay at the Mem and stay a lower tier team with no investment or maybe have an up to to date complex with a hope of better times to come.... I know what i want and it ain't in a sh*t tip of a stadium But unless we defeat Sainsbury's how can we own it? Surely the choice is own the Mem or rent the UWE, if it's just own the UWE their's no argument. If we stay at the Mem then surely NH has to depart and somebody replace him who can bring us a re-developed Mem? Whilst there is a lot of "noise" on here about renting/part owning the UWE at present thier is zero evidence that's feasible w/o Sainsbury's money.
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Post by baggins on Jan 21, 2016 14:03:37 GMT
Best cross your fingers for next week then. i think we all know whats going to happen next week and it won't be good news... i also fear that Nick Higgs Plan B may involve other parties building the UWE and the "Consortium" is no more so its the Sh*t tip for the future then Stop it with them negative waves.
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Post by curlywurly on Jan 21, 2016 14:03:49 GMT
Hindsight is ONLY a wonderful thing if you learn from it! We weren't going bust then and we aren't now. Many of the directors were against the sale in 1940 at a much undervalued price. may be wrong here, but did the Stevens family not have an interest in the BOD then ? The same Stevens family that owned the greyhound company ?? The Greyhound company that got the stadium from the Rovers ? I stand to be corrected, but I think it was also the decision that led to Harry Dolman leaving the Rovers board (he thought the ground should not be sold) and heading across town. The rest is history.
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Post by aghast on Jan 21, 2016 14:50:40 GMT
No i want us to OWN the UWE lock stock and 2 smoking barrels. My point is to attract new punters we need to give something better than a sh*t tip of a stadium. Spend ing money on the mem is not going to happen with out planning... can you see that with the shower of tree huggers we have now ? So to stay at the Mem and stay a lower tier team with no investment or maybe have an up to to date complex with a hope of better times to come.... I know what i want and it ain't in a sh*t tip of a stadium But unless we defeat Sainsbury's how can we own it? Surely the choice is own the Mem or rent the UWE, if it's just own the UWE their's no argument. If we stay at the Mem then surely NH has to depart and somebody replace him who can bring us a re-developed Mem? Whilst there is a lot of "noise" on here about renting/part owning the UWE at present thier is zero evidence that's feasible w/o Sainsbury's money. I say there's zero evidence (but plenty of hope) that we can 100% own the UWE without Sainsbury's money. But raising the funds for a part-ownership isn't a problem. We sell the Mem site and there we have our £10m share. I fact I would guess developers would pay that £10m today without planning permission for housing. Permission for housing nowadays is the norm, and plenty of very good reasons have to exist to deny PP. All we then have to do is find other partners willing to put up £20m. I'm guessing (again) that UWE could easily find £10m or £20m. I'm not saying part-ownership is a great thing, but it's a way to get the stadium built if (when) we lose the appeal. I would also like to think that as 33% partners in the the stadium we would be able to veto rent increases above a previously-agreed level. Is it better to own a £10m 33% stake in a brand new 22,000 seat stadium, or a £10m 100% stake in a run down albeit workable stadium? I don't know the answer to that.
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Post by crazyblues71 on Jan 21, 2016 16:02:12 GMT
Mem for me,can't stand out of town football grounds, no community no soul, give me a new and improved mem on the awesome glos rd anytime!
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Post by lpgas on Jan 21, 2016 16:11:07 GMT
Come off it, there are many things that could be done to improve the Mem that would not cost the earth. Tidying up the bars and toilets for example could be done in a matter of weeks and would be cheap. Food vans outside or a pasty stand in the car park. Extend the tent end. (pp may be needed but it's hardly rebuilding the place) shouldn't be too expensive. Move the tractor enclosure and get another temporary tent or extend the west terrace/mirror the family end the other side. Yes, some PP would be needed but let's not start pretending that the Mem HAS to be a dead end. You're right, just a small outlay could bring it up to a standard everyone can enjoy. Even half the crowd who get wet everyweek?
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Post by lpgas on Jan 21, 2016 16:13:17 GMT
Not the sort of facilities to attract new people to your house is it though Hugo Today's punters want a bit more than "salmonella on a bun" food outlets They also want somewhere to park close to the stadium they also want to get a way from the stadium in a reasonable time they also want to ability to allow our disabled supporters with their friends & family to have dedicated facilities as well where do we stop ? Seems to work for Liverpool, Everton, pompey, Manu, Chelsea etc in terms of outside infrastructure. Granted Chelsea have a tube station. The interior tarting up can be achieved for low cost though. It shouldn't be hard to franchise a decent catering company rather than run a super 5hit one. UWE is nothing more than a few glossy phots in the bar. and 22,000 seats, all under cover
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Post by lpgas on Jan 21, 2016 16:17:36 GMT
anyone thinking that we can survive at the Mem is dreaming. Ask Geoff Dunford he will tell you that they have always looked at the Mem being a temporary home
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 16:21:24 GMT
Seems to work for Liverpool, Everton, pompey, Manu, Chelsea etc in terms of outside infrastructure. Granted Chelsea have a tube station. The interior tarting up can be achieved for low cost though. It shouldn't be hard to franchise a decent catering company rather than run a super 5hit one. UWE is nothing more than a few glossy phots in the bar. and 22,000 seats, all under coverA roof over all areas would be cheap. Remember when we were open in the blackthorn? Just smash it round the east terrace and away end easy. Doesn't need to be pretty unless a new build is suggested.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 16:22:33 GMT
anyone thinking that we can survive at the Mem is dreaming. Ask Geoff Dunford he will tell you that they have always looked at the Mem being a temporary home Is that the same GD that ripped us off at Beeches?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 21, 2016 16:27:30 GMT
anyone thinking that we can survive at the Mem is dreaming. Ask Geoff Dunford he will tell you that they have always looked at the Mem being a temporary home I'm not suggesting we just survive at the Mem, but that we dont sell ourselves short for the rest of our existence by accepting we MUST sell and that renting is ok. We absolutely must retain some level of majority ownership. There will be other opportunities, we shouldn't be conned into taking a sh**ty deal because we think it's all we will ever get.
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Jan 21, 2016 16:51:19 GMT
The sad part (in my opinion) is that whatever happens we won't have any input in it. The major decisions of our club are down to the owners at the time and will never take what we think/want into consideration. We just sit back and hope/trust that the right decision is made for the right reasons cause us and our children have to live with it once its done.
I say that referring to footy in general, the word "club" is the biggest bit of bullshit ever, they are not clubs anymore they are businesses/assets/liabilities owned by an individual/s and their heartbeat(the supporters)are majorly ignored because they have a love/affinity/loyalty of the club which means they can't walk away like other business customers.
It stinks but it's modern day football.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 17:05:26 GMT
You're right, just a small outlay could bring it up to a standard everyone can enjoy. Even half the crowd who get wet everyweek? Think your exaggerating a bit there, it doesn't rain every week.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 21, 2016 18:13:48 GMT
But unless we defeat Sainsbury's how can we own it? Surely the choice is own the Mem or rent the UWE, if it's just own the UWE their's no argument. If we stay at the Mem then surely NH has to depart and somebody replace him who can bring us a re-developed Mem? Whilst there is a lot of "noise" on here about renting/part owning the UWE at present thier is zero evidence that's feasible w/o Sainsbury's money. I say there's zero evidence (but plenty of hope) that we can 100% own the UWE without Sainsbury's money. But raising the funds for a part-ownership isn't a problem. We sell the Mem site and there we have our £10m share. I fact I would guess developers would pay that £10m today without planning permission for housing. Permission for housing nowadays is the norm, and plenty of very good reasons have to exist to deny PP. All we then have to do is find other partners willing to put up £20m. I'm guessing (again) that UWE could easily find £10m or £20m. I'm not saying part-ownership is a great thing, but it's a way to get the stadium built if (when) we lose the appeal. I would also like to think that as 33% partners in the the stadium we would be able to veto rent increases above a previously-agreed level. Is it better to own a £10m 33% stake in a brand new 22,000 seat stadium, or a £10m 100% stake in a run down albeit workable stadium? I don't know the answer to that. Think you've overlooked that if we lose the Appeal our total debts will then be approaching £10m, selling the Mem for £10m could well only clear the club's debts?
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