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Post by brianss on Mar 5, 2016 23:23:13 GMT
Thank you all for your comments and I take note of what has been said. I would like to also thank Gashead 1981 for his/her constructive criticism. I was very impressed by the depth of inside knowledge you have about what was going on Bristol Rovers. I'm sure if you know me then you will know I am never slow to come forward. It is not always a question of whether you can speak, the main question is - have you been heard? As I said before I believe we are now in the dawn of a new positive era and I look forward to the future with tremendous optimism! UTG best wishes Bri
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Post by Dr Gas on Mar 6, 2016 0:28:51 GMT
Thank you all for your comments and I take note of what has been said. I would like to also thank Gashead 1981 for his/her constructive criticism. I was very impressed by the depth of inside knowledge you have about what was going on Bristol Rovers. I'm sure if you know me then you will know I am never slow to come forward. It is not always a question of whether you can speak, the main question is - have you been heard? As I said before I believe we are now in the dawn of a new positive era and I look forward to the future with tremendous optimism! UTG best wishes Bri I would rephrase that to, "have you actually been listened to?". One can hear a noise but not take in what it is; however, if one listens then the noise gains clarity.
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Post by gasincider on Mar 6, 2016 1:07:07 GMT
I care because i paid loads into the share scheme for the supporters to have representation at board level. We signed a few players with that money too Agogo springs to mind. KM and BSS worked for us not Higgs We all care. It's not exclusive to you. And whether you like it or not, BSS and Ken are directors. That means they are part of the collective, and if they are not given the option to talk publically on vital issues they cannot do so. To do otherwise would be a breach of confidentiality. And if you think our esteemed 'only in the relegation zone for 20 mins' director minuted the board meetings anywhere near accurately, you must live in a parallel universe. In fact, the minutes have never as far as I am aware, ever seen the light of day. Kim Stuckey, nice guy as he is didn't get anywhere by resigning, and nor would our two present incumbents. I'd rather they were in there pitching than just walking away. . Of course, you always had the option to stand Dinsdale, or were you scared of the dictatorship? As for gashead1981, he seems to know a lot about what went on at board level. Has Toni been talking to some of our s/c executive again?
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Post by phillistine on Mar 6, 2016 5:14:37 GMT
I care because i paid loads into the share scheme for the supporters to have representation at board level. We signed a few players with that money too Agogo springs to mind. KM and BSS worked for us not Higgs We all care. It's not exclusive to you. And whether you like it or not, BSS and Ken are directors. That means they are part of the collective, and if they are not given the option to talk publically on vital issues they cannot do so. To do otherwise would be a breach of confidentiality. And if you think our esteemed 'only in the relegation zone for 20 mins an educated ' director minuted the board meetings anywhere near accurately, you must live in a parallel universe. In fact, the minutes have never as far as I am aware, ever seen the light of day. Kim Stuckey, nice guy as he is didn't get anywhere by resigning, and nor would our two present incumbents. I'd rather they were in there pitching than just walking away. . Of course, you always had the option to stand Dinsdale, or were you scared of the dictatorship? As for gashead1981, he seems to know a lot about what went on at board level. Has Toni been talking to some of our s/c executive again? Gashead1981 is only saying what anyone who has ever served on a board has experienced. You can make a comment by analysing knowledge in the public arena and in fact I made similar earlier in the thread. It doesn't mean that you have insider knowledge supplied by someone who was there
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 6, 2016 6:32:11 GMT
Gashead1981 stated on another thread that he was a good friend of Ed B Ware.
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Post by gasincider on Mar 6, 2016 8:17:11 GMT
Gashead1981 stated on another thread that he was a good friend of Ed B Ware. My point precisely
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Post by gashead1981 on Mar 6, 2016 8:37:17 GMT
Gashead1981 stated on another thread that he was a good friend of Ed B Ware. My point precisely That's not what I said. I said I know Ed very well, I never said how I knew him. I also know 2 other directors very well. But do we go round each other's houses for dinner etc? No. I only mentioned that I knew him well as severncider was trying to insinuate some underhanded deal had been done with him using the club for gain. With no evidence to base that on I might add. That said, I often got the odd tip bit about what was going on, which incidentally never got posted on this forum, it was kept to myself and I only found out about the takeover 2 weeks before it happened and it wasn't from any of the directors!! I had read all the rumours being posted on here and asked 1 of them directly and all I got was "I wish there was someone to take us on". Which I took as, there is no one. Thanks for replying BSS. I have no axe to grind with you, you have done a remarkable job in perhaps trying circumstances through the years. I applaude you for giving your time up on our behalf. I was just stating my opinion as to what you had written based on how I read it. If you like, we can meet at the Cambridge game on good Friday, I'll be in the dribuild that day as my business has some hospitality and I would like to buy you a pint and have a chat. I can't make Tuesday as I'm away on business and Saturday I already have plans to meet with some friends at the game (and before someone says it, yes I do have one... ) That's if you are around that day?
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Post by gasincider on Mar 6, 2016 9:03:42 GMT
EW buys a house on behalf of the club for £395k in November, then puts an option to buy on it for £125k to buy it for £520k if required to complete the Sainsbury deal.
Which part of Not using the gas for gain do you not see?
It takes the 50-50 sellers 5 years to make £125k for the club. Are they not deserving of the money more? And remember, when the supporters club were asked to contribute they were declined when they wanted to guarantee THE RETURN OF THEIR MONEY. Not profit, just a return.
I seem to remember some years ago, Colin Williams wife bought a property that the club needed, and Boycie asked to buy it off her for original cost. CW's wife said he could buy it for market value. Why doesn't EW do the same?
But you are right, EW is doing nothing illegal, it's just another one of NH's little helps for the boys. Good riddance to all of them.
I'm sure the fans will decide for themselves who is doing what over this.
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Post by dinsdale on Mar 6, 2016 11:12:06 GMT
I care because i paid loads into the share scheme for the supporters to have representation at board level. We signed a few players with that money too Agogo springs to mind. KM and BSS worked for us not Higgs We all care. It's not exclusive to you. And whether you like it or not, BSS and Ken are directors. That means they are part of the collective, and if they are not given the option to talk publically on vital issues they cannot do so. To do otherwise would be a breach of confidentiality. And if you think our esteemed 'only in the relegation zone for 20 mins' director minuted the board meetings anywhere near accurately, you must live in a parallel universe. In fact, the minutes have never as far as I am aware, ever seen the light of day. Kim Stuckey, nice guy as he is didn't get anywhere by resigning, and nor would our two present incumbents. I'd rather they were in there pitching than just walking away. . Of course, you always had the option to stand Dinsdale, or were you scared of the dictatorship? As for gashead1981, he seems to know a lot about what went on at board level. Has Toni been talking to some of our s/c executive again? Such a cop out to try and refuse me a view because i didn't go for election as supporters club director. I ceased my menbership when the fantastic John and Kim stepped down and BRSC agreed to water down their share issue. I didn't want to go near it since. Brian and Ken were part of the worst period in our history and only criticising the regime now stinks. As for your view i respect it. Ps more then willing to see Brian continue in his role as he is a hardworking man. Just feel he should have spoken up when all the sh** was happening or accept his part in it and leave it be now. The comments on here irked me an i'm not alone.
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Post by dinsdale on Mar 6, 2016 11:23:09 GMT
i don't really know why people are so upset about the fact that brian or ken didn't go public about boardroom closure.... pretty fuck1ng obvious it was happening anyway..... Gasincider this is why i said i care because this post asked why do people give a sh** I haven't said caring is exclusive to me.
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Post by Severncider on Mar 6, 2016 11:43:34 GMT
That's not what I said. I said I know Ed very well, I never said how I knew him. I also know 2 other directors very well. But do we go round each other's houses for dinner etc? No. I only mentioned that I knew him well as severncider was trying to insinuate some underhanded deal had been done with him using the club for gain. With no evidence to base that on I might add. That said, I often got the odd tip bit about what was going on, which incidentally never got posted on this forum, it was kept to myself and I only found out about the takeover 2 weeks before it happened and it wasn't from any of the directors!! I had read all the rumours being posted on here and asked 1 of them directly and all I got was "I wish there was someone to take us on". Which I took as, there is no one. Thanks for replying BSS. I have no axe to grind with you, you have done a remarkable job in perhaps trying circumstances through the years. I applaude you for giving your time up on our behalf. I was just stating my opinion as to what you had written based on how I read it. If you like, we can meet at the Cambridge game on good Friday, I'll be in the dribuild that day as my business has some hospitality and I would like to buy you a pint and have a chat. I can't make Tuesday as I'm away on business and Saturday I already have plans to meet with some friends at the game (and before someone says it, yes I do have one... ) That's if you are around that day? Totally false.
I just put the facts that we were being asked to vote on BRFC paying £650k on a property which appears to be worth £395k.
I would like to know the reason for that, before voting on the Resolution. Surely, no-one is suggesting that this question should not be asked
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Post by orgasmic on Mar 6, 2016 12:26:22 GMT
We all care. It's not exclusive to you. And whether you like it or not, BSS and Ken are directors. That means they are part of the collective, and if they are not given the option to talk publically on vital issues they cannot do so. To do otherwise would be a breach of confidentiality. And if you think our esteemed 'only in the relegation zone for 20 mins' director minuted the board meetings anywhere near accurately, you must live in a parallel universe. In fact, the minutes have never as far as I am aware, ever seen the light of day. Kim Stuckey, nice guy as he is didn't get anywhere by resigning, and nor would our two present incumbents. I'd rather they were in there pitching than just walking away. . Of course, you always had the option to stand Dinsdale, or were you scared of the dictatorship? As for gashead1981, he seems to know a lot about what went on at board level. Has Toni been talking to some of our s/c executive again? Such a cop out to try and refuse me a view because i didn't go for election as supporters club director. I ceased my menbership when the fantastic John and Kim stepped down and BRSC agreed to water down their share issue. I didn't want to go near it since. Brian and Ken were part of the worst period in our history and only criticising the regime now stinks. As for your view i respect it. Ps more then willing to see Brian continue in his role as he is a hardworking man. Just feel he should have spoken up when all the sh** was happening or accept his part in it and leave it be now. The comments on here irked me an i'm not alone. Am I allowed the view that people who walked away from BRSC are equally as culpable as those who remained within it quietly trying to affect change?
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Post by gregsy on Mar 6, 2016 12:38:21 GMT
I actually believe this thread has the potential to alienate a lot of people, when it was meant as a perfectly innocent statement from brian....
i'll admit I played my part in that, and for that I am sorry if I offended anyone....
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Post by dinsdale on Mar 6, 2016 12:44:57 GMT
Such a cop out to try and refuse me a view because i didn't go for election as supporters club director. I ceased my menbership when the fantastic John and Kim stepped down and BRSC agreed to water down their share issue. I didn't want to go near it since. Brian and Ken were part of the worst period in our history and only criticising the regime now stinks. As for your view i respect it. Ps more then willing to see Brian continue in his role as he is a hardworking man. Just feel he should have spoken up when all the sh** was happening or accept his part in it and leave it be now. The comments on here irked me an i'm not alone. Am I allowed the view that people who walked away from BRSC are equally as culpable as those who remained within it quietly trying to affect change? Of course you are. Its a difficult one and the whole do you walk away when your role is compomised or you are taken the puss out of or stay and try and do your best from within is always bound to split opinion.
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Post by dinsdale on Mar 6, 2016 12:46:39 GMT
Dont feel many in BRSC did either
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Post by gasincider on Mar 6, 2016 13:16:24 GMT
Such a cop out to try and refuse me a view because i didn't go for election as supporters club director. I ceased my menbership when the fantastic John and Kim stepped down and BRSC agreed to water down their share issue. I didn't want to go near it since. Brian and Ken were part of the worst period in our history and only criticising the regime now stinks. As for your view i respect it. Ps more then willing to see Brian continue in his role as he is a hardworking man. Just feel he should have spoken up when all the sh** was happening or accept his part in it and leave it be now. The comments on here irked me an i'm not alone. I also respect your view Dinsdale. But where did I try and refuse you a view? Whilst I totally disagree your point of view I also don't try to put a slant on it. I fully endorse your right to a view even if I think you are wrong. The only way to effect change is from within, not by resigning. That achieves nothing. Ive just noticed Ken has now posted on the supporters club website. One thing staggers me in that he says all the former owners etc did what they could for the good of the club. Well, I'm sorry to say that as much as I respect Ken, that opinion is at odds with what he has said personally to me. The phrase 'get rid of the lot of em' comes to mind. Please dont be intimidated by the previous regime Ken. I know you had to put up with Boycie yesterday, but don't be turned. You will get more respect and more votes by sticking true to you're principles. Furthermore, why are the ex directors still allowed access to board rooms? Does it mean I can go in there as well. After all, I have more shares than them.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 6, 2016 13:17:05 GMT
I actually believe this thread has the potential to alienate a lot of people, when it was meant as a perfectly innocent statement from brian.... i'll admit I played my part in that, and for that I am sorry if I offended anyone.... I tend to agree however I feel that everyone has put forward really good arguments both for and against and this thread has remained respectful throughout. Whilst being extremely glad BSS is now free to post again and fully supportive of him I also completely understand the need to question his participation and/or lack of ability to have more publicly challenged the frankly awful regime that he had to work within. Some of the posts are uncomfortable to read but then it's not a comfortable subject. Without people questioning how we were (are) run we may as well give up even when those questions are not what we want to hear. I've really enjoyed this thread because I'm honestly completely on the fence on this issue. I really don't know which side is "right". The arguments have been so well put and both sides have made really good points. I suppose that sums up pretty well how BSS has been feeling the last 2 years. He was damned if he did and damned if he didn't!
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Post by dinsdale on Mar 6, 2016 13:39:32 GMT
I actually believe this thread has the potential to alienate a lot of people, when it was meant as a perfectly innocent statement from brian.... i'll admit I played my part in that, and for that I am sorry if I offended anyone.... I tend to agree however I feel that everyone has put forward really good arguments both for and against and this thread has remained respectful throughout. Whilst being extremely glad BSS is now free to post again and fully supportive of him I also completely understand the need to question his participation and/or lack of ability to have more publicly challenged the frankly awful regime that he had to work within. Some of the posts are uncomfortable to read but then it's not a comfortable subject. Without people questioning how we were (are) run we may as well give up even when those questions are not what we want to hear. I've really enjoyed this thread because I'm honestly completely on the fence on this issue. I really don't know which side is "right". The arguments have been so well put and both sides have made really good points. I suppose that sums up pretty well how BSS has been feeling the last 2 years. He was damned if he did and damned if he didn't! Great post
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Post by dinsdale on Mar 6, 2016 13:43:52 GMT
Such a cop out to try and refuse me a view because i didn't go for election as supporters club director. I ceased my menbership when the fantastic John and Kim stepped down and BRSC agreed to water down their share issue. I didn't want to go near it since. Brian and Ken were part of the worst period in our history and only criticising the regime now stinks. As for your view i respect it. Ps more then willing to see Brian continue in his role as he is a hardworking man. Just feel he should have spoken up when all the sh** was happening or accept his part in it and leave it be now. The comments on here irked me an i'm not alone. I also respect your view Dinsdale. But where did I try and refuse you a view? Whilst I totally disagree your point of view I also don't try to put a slant on it. I fully endorse your right to a view even if I think you are wrong. The only way to effect change is from within, not by resigning. That achieves nothing. Ive just noticed Ken has now posted on the supporters club website. One thing staggers me in that he says all the former owners etc did what they could for the good of the club. Well, I'm sorry to say that as much as I respect Ken, that opinion is at odds with what he has said personally to me. The phrase 'get rid of the lot of em' comes to mind. Please dont be intimidated by the previous regime Ken. I know you had to put up with Boycie yesterday, but don't be turned. You will get more respect and more votes by sticking true to you're principles. Furthermore, why are the ex directors still allowed access to board rooms? Does it mean I can go in there as well. After all, I have more shares than them. Having met Ken and attended the q and a i have to say i have no idea how he ever ended up in such a position at the club. Brian is at least a really nice bloke who talks well. I felt bad saying what i did about him because i really like him but i stand by my view that Higgs bashing is a bit late now and perhaps a little opportunistic. Still think im in a dream about the new regime, such fantastic news for the club.
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Post by lpgas on Mar 6, 2016 14:38:01 GMT
I actually believe this thread has the potential to alienate a lot of people, when it was meant as a perfectly innocent statement from brian.... i'll admit I played my part in that, and for that I am sorry if I offended anyone.... I have been alienated!! I appear to have 3 eyes, 2 horns and long fingers. FFS Who cares about any of this stuff ? IT IS IN THE PAST. Gone! Finito! Dead! this is the problem with so many people in this country at this time, was Bomber Harris a war criminal, No he did what he had to do at the time
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