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Post by inee on Jun 28, 2016 12:57:32 GMT
Except Labour are going to be the first choice for reaction against this tory made clusterfuck, in most locations. That's just the reality of a fptp system. All Labour have to do is look like a vaguely electable party (not that difficult really, but obviously Labour manage to make it look difficult) and they will get the majority of protest votes, especially as no other party looks like doing the job. Had the libdems not shot themselves in the foot by rolling over for the tories last time, they would be the choice, but no one trusts them now. The question is what will the Labour party be/consist of going forward?
If Corbyn doesn't resign, stands in a leadership contest and wins because of the membership, than I would see many Labour MPs leaving and forming a new party.
For Labour it is best Corbyn stands down and perhaps a new leader should recognise the membership support (if he still has it) and put him on the front bench
Both good points Antonio this isn't a torie made clusterfuck, it isn't a clusterfuck at all it's a new phase of our history we are entering, where we will be able to make new laws and trading links for the good of the UK, not have to cow tow to europe, lets look at this realistically i need to order £85 worth of goods from china, before the out vote it would have cost me £81 so in the short term it's costing me what 10 fags more no biggie, besides if you still feel it's a clusterfuck it's a parties fault it's us who voted leave, and im pretty sure more labour voters voted leave than tory voters, Peter i said as antonio did that if a snap election was called then on balance of probability labour would win, as many party members voted him in, i'm also sure if labour got in and mp's did resign, then new ones would be appointed ,think sideways if mp's leave to form a new party then it's very likely corbyn will look to his core of old school support for replacements, which in turn would increase things like unions grip on the countries, think 70's. If some breakaway labour mp's formed a new party i think it wouldn't go anywhere, as basically where would they actually be in terms of what they want, they will be too soft for tories to switch sides and too modern for the core of labour to switch too, it wouldn't come as a shock if they merged with the lib dems, so in effect you would have a 3 party party, which would probably appeal to some as it would have a bit of everything politically. The real clusterfuck will depend on how well the exit team negotiate, another clusterfuck would have been if remain won, europe had a lot planned for implementation if we stayed, it's no wonder they had a big attack of hissy fits when we left, besides if we had remained we would have had absolutely no bargaining power left at all as they would have had cameron by the balls. I also pray we introduce border controls along the lines of the canadian or australian system, ie if someone comes to live they will already have a job, so they pay in from the day they start work which lets face it is the way it should be. |
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Post by inee on Jun 28, 2016 13:06:47 GMT
nah they funded geoffry's You say Geofrey, I think Rainbow (and I don't mean the Band). you say rainbow and i think of a classic line from one of the wrolds best singers and bands Take me back ,He gave me back my will ,Ooh ooh ooh ooh geoffry was a referance to a old director  |
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Post by baggins on Jun 28, 2016 13:18:56 GMT
The question is what will the Labour party be/consist of going forward?
If Corbyn doesn't resign, stands in a leadership contest and wins because of the membership, than I would see many Labour MPs leaving and forming a new party.
For Labour it is best Corbyn stands down and perhaps a new leader should recognise the membership support (if he still has it) and put him on the front bench
Both good points Antonio this isn't a torie made clusterfuck, it isn't a clusterfuck at all it's a new phase of our history we are entering, where we will be able to make new laws and trading links for the good of the UK, not have to cow tow to europe, lets look at this realistically i need to order £85 worth of goods from china, before the out vote it would have cost me £81 so in the short term it's costing me what 10 fags more no biggie, besides if you still feel it's a clusterfuck it's a parties fault it's us who voted leave, and im pretty sure more labour voters voted leave than tory voters, Peter i said as antonio did that if a snap election was called then on balance of probability labour would win, as many party members voted him in, i'm also sure if labour got in and mp's did resign, then new ones would be appointed ,think sideways if mp's leave to form a new party then it's very likely corbyn will look to his core of old school support for replacements, which in turn would increase things like unions grip on the countries, think 70's. If some breakaway labour mp's formed a new party i think it wouldn't go anywhere, as basically where would they actually be in terms of what they want, they will be too soft for tories to switch sides and too modern for the core of labour to switch too, it wouldn't come as a shock if they merged with the lib dems, so in effect you would have a 3 party party, which would probably appeal to some as it would have a bit of everything politically. The real clusterfuck will depend on how well the exit team negotiate, another clusterfuck would have been if remain won, europe had a lot planned for implementation if we stayed, it's no wonder they had a big attack of hissy fits when we left, besides if we had remained we would have had absolutely no bargaining power left at all as they would have had cameron by the balls. I also pray we introduce border controls along the lines of the canadian or australian system, ie if someone comes to live they will already have a job, so they pay in from the day they start work which lets face it is the way it should be. Of course it's a Tory made clusterfuck. Mr Cameron asked for it, he got it. As for border control, forget it. You don't honestly believe now you've voted out that's it, no more immigrants? Population stand still? What's changed? |
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Post by inee on Jun 28, 2016 13:31:20 GMT
Bags if you read it properly i said pray for border controls, i just hope something will be implemented, as i said if you've got work come over if you haven't don't. I never once said now were out no ones allowed in, but it's high time we start choosing who is allowed in and who isn't based on employment and skill set, not just let anyone in willy nilly. Lets face reality if we want unskilled labour from people who cant speak english or are as thick as elephant mucus we need to look no further than school leavers. If on the other hand we want people who are trained, literate and hard working then we have to look to places like india, africa etc. I dont understand you point on population stand still as there will always be people dying and people being born over here so the population is always growing(i think it's the greens who think we are overpopulated) , and lets face it one think yung uns are consistently good at in the uk is popping out sprogs |
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Post by baggins on Jun 28, 2016 13:33:33 GMT
Bags if you read it properly i said pray for border controls, i just hope something will be implemented, as i said if you've got work come over if you haven't don't. I never once said now were out no ones allowed in, but it's high time we start choosing who is allowed in and who isn't based on employment and skill set, not just let anyone in willy nilly. Lets face reality if we want unskilled labour from people who cant speak english or are as thick as elephant mucus we need to look no further than school leavers. If on the other hand we want people who are trained, literate and hard working then we have to look to places like india, africa etc. I dont understand you point on population stand still as there will always be people dying and people being born over here so the population is always growing(i think it's the greens who think we are overpopulated) , and lets face it one think yung uns are consistently good at in the uk is popping out sprogs Eew, elephant mucus. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 13:43:11 GMT
Bags if you read it properly i said pray for border controls, i just hope something will be implemented, as i said if you've got work come over if you haven't don't. I never once said now were out no ones allowed in, but it's high time we start choosing who is allowed in and who isn't based on employment and skill set, not just let anyone in willy nilly. Lets face reality if we want unskilled labour from people who cant speak english or are as thick as elephant mucus we need to look no further than school leavers. If on the other hand we want people who are trained, literate and hard working then we have to look to places like india, africa etc. I dont understand you point on population stand still as there will always be people dying and people being born over here so the population is always growing(i think it's the greens who think we are overpopulated) , and lets face it one think yung uns are consistently good at in the uk is popping out sprogs Eew, elephant mucus. How about "thick as a whale sperm omelette" as an alternative? |
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Post by aghast on Jun 28, 2016 15:52:55 GMT
Did anyone enjoy Farage's triumphant speech to the European Parliament? He managed to be petty, vindictive, insulting and patronising all at the same time.
And all just before we begin some very delicate negotiations with the EU to secure the best possible exit terms.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 28, 2016 17:31:12 GMT
Did anyone enjoy Farage's triumphant speech to the European Parliament? He managed to be petty, vindictive, insulting and patronising all at the same time. And all just before we begin some very delicate negotiations with the EU to secure the best possible exit terms. He's been grandstanding for years. Business as usual for everyone's favourite little Englander.  |
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Post by jaggas on Jun 28, 2016 20:00:16 GMT
Did anyone enjoy Farage's triumphant speech to the European Parliament? He managed to be petty, vindictive, insulting and patronising all at the same time. And all just before we begin some very delicate negotiations with the EU to secure the best possible exit terms. I thought his speech was brilliant and lets not talk about that European Parliament as if it carries any weight or power its a talking shop full of nodding dogs who agree on the laws sent down from the unelected failed politicians like Neil Kinnock and co. Farage has been winding them up for years and finally got his day in the sun where he could say up yours to the lot of them and fair play to him. For petty vindictive insulting and patronising see Junker/De Lores and any other leader in that cesspit that is an affront to democracy the European Parliament has been rotten to the core since it started and the whole lot will come crashing down soon enough thanks to the bravery of the British people who said no more. |
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Post by aghast on Jun 28, 2016 20:14:39 GMT
Did anyone enjoy Farage's triumphant speech to the European Parliament? He managed to be petty, vindictive, insulting and patronising all at the same time. And all just before we begin some very delicate negotiations with the EU to secure the best possible exit terms. I thought his speech was brilliant and lets not talk about that European Parliament as if it carries any weight or power its a talking shop full of nodding dogs who agree on the laws sent down from the unelected failed politicians like Neil Kinnock and co. Farage has been winding them up for years and finally got his day in the sun where he could say up yours to the lot of them and fair play to him. For petty vindictive insulting and patronising see Junker/De Lores and any other leader in that cesspit that is an affront to democracy the European Parliament has been rotten to the core since it started and the whole lot will come crashing down soon enough thanks to the bravery of the British people who said no more. I might not agree, but I can understand why from his point of view Farage felt like saying what he did. What I'm suggesting is that this is not a good time to be hurling insults around when we need to keep the situation calm and sensible. I have visions of Boris Johnson watching the speech, head in hands, muttering "No, Nigel. No, no, no...." |
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Post by jaggas on Jun 28, 2016 20:30:50 GMT
I agree Farage is a bit of a loose cannon now.I think the way the Leave campaign has treated him since the victory has been disgraceful considering the hard yards he has been putting in for many years.They were not complaining when he shone in all the national tv debates he took part in and I cannot believe he hasn`t been asked to take part in the Brexit negotiations where he has vast experience of the EU how it works and where they can reign him in and keep him under control.
With a General Election looming Farage is not a person you want to make an enemy of he is a great orator and he appeals to traditional Tory and Labour voters.
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Post by aghast on Jun 28, 2016 20:54:25 GMT
Farage, like him or not, has had a stupendous influence on the UK in the last few years. Without him, UKIP would never have risen to the spotlight as much as they have, Cameron wouldn't have agreed to a referendum, and quite possibly the referendum vote would have gone the other way.
In America he would have needed $50m and 200 advisors. Here, a few pints and a crafty fag before he faces the cameras.
He's hated and admired in this country, but never ignored. Quite an achievement for one man who is not even an MP.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 9:50:50 GMT
Farage, like him or not, has had a stupendous influence on the UK in the last few years. Without him, UKIP would never have risen to the spotlight as much as they have, Cameron wouldn't have agreed to a referendum, and quite possibly the referendum vote would have gone the other way. In America he would have needed $50m and 200 advisors. Here, a few pints and a crafty fag before he faces the cameras. He's hated and admired in this country, but never ignored. Quite an achievement for one man who is not even an MP. Practically every politician involved in the Brexit debate have shifted positions during the last six months. Even Boris left it until the last minute before deciding which way he wanted to go. Farage has stuck by his guns for 17 years. As the leader of a single issue party, he has actually been arguing for something that makes that very same party meaningless, which is a pretty rare trait. He is actually the single most 'conviction' politician involved in the whole referendum. He has had to endure his family being attacked while enjoying Sunday lunch in a pub. This action attracted very little criticism in the media. Imagine the outcry if that were Cameron or Corbyn! He has had to cancel public speeches, on Police advice, because of the violent attention of those that disagree with him, a clear denial of freedom of speech rights. Once again, they would have been major issues in the media if it were Cameron or Corbyn. Yes, he is like Marmite, but the impact he has had on British politics has been huge. To repeat what aghast said, not bad for someone who isn't even an MP. Sir Nigel of Thanet anyone? |
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Post by baggins on Jun 29, 2016 10:35:33 GMT
Go Stockmarket!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 11:17:04 GMT
If it goes up, or it goes down, I'm onto a winner!!! Yippee! |
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Post by baggins on Jun 29, 2016 11:29:44 GMT
If it goes up, or it goes down, I'm onto a winner!!! Yippee! Charge either way? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 11:35:06 GMT
To put it simply, if the market goes up or down, it means that people are Trading. My company earns money from Trading, so the busier it is, the more profit they make, which equals a better bonus for me at the end of the year! Yippee !
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 11:44:10 GMT
There you go baggins. That didn't last long did it!
"11:27am FTSE 100 smashes through 6,300 for first time since Brexit vote
The FTSE 100 has smashed through 6,300 to 6,301 moments ago as stocks continue to rally following a brutal two-day Brexit rout.
The blue chip index is now just 38 points shy of where it closed last Thursday before the index was ravaged by Britain's decision to leave the EU. "
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Post by baggins on Jun 29, 2016 11:45:45 GMT
To put it simply, if the market goes up or down, it means that people are Trading. My company earns money from Trading, so the busier it is, the more profit they make, which equals a better bonus for me at the end of the year! Yippee ! Bloody traders. Buy, charge, sell, charge. But, you get a bonus either way so happy days. How's that man cave of yours coming along, weren't you setting something up? |
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Post by baggins on Jun 29, 2016 11:47:23 GMT
There you go baggins. That didn't last long did it! "11:27am FTSE 100 smashes through 6,300 for first time since Brexit vote The FTSE 100 has smashed through 6,300 to 6,301 moments ago as stocks continue to rally following a brutal two-day Brexit rout. The blue chip index is now just 38 points shy of where it closed last Thursday before the index was ravaged by Britain's decision to leave the EU. " Much though I didn't agree with the exit, let's not go into that, nice to see we've recovered. |
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