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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 10:30:32 GMT
For the next PM, it has to be Gove with Andrea Leadsom as the Chancellor.
Labour are a disaster. Momentum/Militant now control the Party. The Party will split, meaning their share of the vote will split.
The Tory's will regroup, and be unified behind their new leader, whoever it is. Labour will split and spend all their time fighting each other.
UKIP will remain and pick up even more old Labour voters, although a Pro-Brexit PM (Gove) could attract voters back.
Lib Dems may recover a bit as they may also pick up some of the disheartened Labour voters.....or they may not and completely disappear.
It's looking pretty clear for a Tory Government for at least the next ten years. There is no credible opposition.
I don't think there will be General Election called.
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Post by baggins on Jun 30, 2016 11:04:47 GMT
For the next PM, it has to be Gove with Andrea Leadsom as the Chancellor. Labour are a disaster. Momentum/Militant now control the Party. The Party will split, meaning their share of the vote will split. The Tory's will regroup, and be unified behind their new leader, whoever it is. Labour will split and spend all their time fighting each other. UKIP will remain and pick up even more old Labour voters, although a Pro-Brexit PM (Gove) could attract voters back. Lib Dems may recover a bit as they may also pick up some of the disheartened Labour voters.....or they may not and completely disappear. It's looking pretty clear for a Tory Government for at least the next ten years. There is no credible opposition. I don't think there will be General Election called. Gove? Dear God. The Tory version of Joseph Goebbels. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 11:09:25 GMT
For the next PM, it has to be Gove with Andrea Leadsom as the Chancellor. Labour are a disaster. Momentum/Militant now control the Party. The Party will split, meaning their share of the vote will split. The Tory's will regroup, and be unified behind their new leader, whoever it is. Labour will split and spend all their time fighting each other. UKIP will remain and pick up even more old Labour voters, although a Pro-Brexit PM (Gove) could attract voters back. Lib Dems may recover a bit as they may also pick up some of the disheartened Labour voters.....or they may not and completely disappear. It's looking pretty clear for a Tory Government for at least the next ten years. There is no credible opposition. I don't think there will be General Election called. Gove? Dear God. The Tory version of Joseph Goebbels. It looks like it will be May v Gove. Surely, the next PM has to be someone from the Leave Camp? I would still like Leadsom to get it, but I think with her background she'll be the ideal candidate for Chancellor. Osbourne surely has to go. and no, I didn't call you Shirley ! |
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Post by baggins on Jun 30, 2016 11:27:05 GMT
Not Boris?
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Post by peterparker on Jun 30, 2016 11:35:36 GMT
Boris isn't standing. He says as the face of the leave campaign he will not appeal to a large number of remain people.
I reckon it will be May. if it ends up as May v Gove, I feel that even the Tories will see Gove as divisive over some of his Education shake-up to be honest.
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Post by baggins on Jun 30, 2016 11:37:53 GMT
Boris isn't standing. He says as the face of the leave campaign he will not appeal to a large number of remain people.
I reckon it will be May. if it ends up as May v Gove, I feel that even the Tories will see Gove as divisive over some of his Education shake-up to be honest.
Ah, didn't know Boris wasn't standing. So someone we didn't vote for will be in charge. It's all a mess. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 11:44:59 GMT
Boris isn't standing. He says as the face of the leave campaign he will not appeal to a large number of remain people.
I reckon it will be May. if it ends up as May v Gove, I feel that even the Tories will see Gove as divisive over some of his Education shake-up to be honest.
Ah, didn't know Boris wasn't standing. So someone we didn't vote for will be in charge. It's all a mess. No different to when Brown took over from Blair. Nobody voted for him. The five candidates are:- May - Sat on the fence (disappeared) during the referendum debate. Declared for Remain, but personally wanted to Leave. Gove - Came across well during the live debates and had the courage of his convictions to campaign for Leave. He put his career on the line for what he believed. Crabb - His comment about curing homosexuality with drugs will come back to bite him on the bum. Fox - Not enough wide-spread support in the Party. Leadsom - My personal choice, but will probably be the new Chancellor. One of the few politicians who has actually had a career outside of politics. |
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Post by peterparker on Jun 30, 2016 12:29:44 GMT
Boris is in a no lose situation by not standing
Whoever the new PM is, will be expected to have him in a senior position and can ride on the coat tails of the EU referendum.
If the negotiations don't go to plan, Boris can probably swoop in and take the big job next time round
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 12:36:49 GMT
Boris is in a no lose situation by not standing Whoever the new PM is, will be expected to have him in a senior position and can ride on the coat tails of the EU referendum. If the negotiations don't go to plan, Boris can probably swoop in and take the big job next time round That's right. Boris is popular around the country. The new PM is sure to put him on the team for that factor alone. Compare the Tories to Labour. The Tories have a bundle of credible names to become the new Leader. Labour have Angela Eagles (came 4th in the last Deputy Leader contest) up against Corbyn. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 30, 2016 12:49:07 GMT
For the next PM, it has to be Gove with Andrea Leadsom as the Chancellor. Labour are a disaster. Momentum/Militant now control the Party. The Party will split, meaning their share of the vote will split. The Tory's will regroup, and be unified behind their new leader, whoever it is. Labour will split and spend all their time fighting each other. UKIP will remain and pick up even more old Labour voters, although a Pro-Brexit PM (Gove) could attract voters back. Lib Dems may recover a bit as they may also pick up some of the disheartened Labour voters.....or they may not and completely disappear. It's looking pretty clear for a Tory Government for at least the next ten years. There is no credible opposition. I don't think there will be General Election called. The Tories are spilt but will re group and rule the universe forever. Labour are spilt but will never recover and fade into eternal oblivion. Bias much? This whole mess is a creation of the Tories to stop their own party falling apart. It won't. Politics on both sides of the house is a shambles. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 12:54:18 GMT
For the next PM, it has to be Gove with Andrea Leadsom as the Chancellor. Labour are a disaster. Momentum/Militant now control the Party. The Party will split, meaning their share of the vote will split. The Tory's will regroup, and be unified behind their new leader, whoever it is. Labour will split and spend all their time fighting each other. UKIP will remain and pick up even more old Labour voters, although a Pro-Brexit PM (Gove) could attract voters back. Lib Dems may recover a bit as they may also pick up some of the disheartened Labour voters.....or they may not and completely disappear. It's looking pretty clear for a Tory Government for at least the next ten years. There is no credible opposition. I don't think there will be General Election called. The Tories are spilt but will re group and rule the universe forever. Labour are spilt but will never recover and fade into eternal oblivion. Bias much? This whole mess is a creation of the Tories to stop their own party falling apart. It won't. Politics on both sides of the house is a shambles. Agreed Its hard to stomach when the man who effectively turned the referendum in favour of exit does not have the courage to follow through on his pre referendum commitments. But then we are talking about the Tory Party |
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Post by peterparker on Jun 30, 2016 13:01:28 GMT
The Tories are spilt but will re group and rule the universe forever. Labour are spilt but will never recover and fade into eternal oblivion. Bias much? This whole mess is a creation of the Tories to stop their own party falling apart. It won't. Politics on both sides of the house is a shambles. Agreed Its hard to stomach when the man who effectively turned the referendum in favour of exit does not have the courage to follow through on his pre referendum commitments. But then we are talking about the Tory Party But The Tory party have to put Johnson up to be voted PM by the membership.
Whilst I think Boris has put himself in a no lose situation by not standing, I suspect he thinks that Gove standing and his nominators are stitching up and would be active in making sure Boris wasn't up to be chosen
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 13:08:01 GMT
Agreed Its hard to stomach when the man who effectively turned the referendum in favour of exit does not have the courage to follow through on his pre referendum commitments. But then we are talking about the Tory Party But The Tory party have to put Johnson up to be voted PM by the membership.
Whilst I think Boris has put himself in a no lose situation by not standing, I suspect he thinks that Gove standing and his nominators are stitching up and would be active in making sure Boris wasn't up to be chosen
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 13:10:14 GMT
For the next PM, it has to be Gove with Andrea Leadsom as the Chancellor. Labour are a disaster. Momentum/Militant now control the Party. The Party will split, meaning their share of the vote will split. The Tory's will regroup, and be unified behind their new leader, whoever it is. Labour will split and spend all their time fighting each other. UKIP will remain and pick up even more old Labour voters, although a Pro-Brexit PM (Gove) could attract voters back. Lib Dems may recover a bit as they may also pick up some of the disheartened Labour voters.....or they may not and completely disappear. It's looking pretty clear for a Tory Government for at least the next ten years. There is no credible opposition. I don't think there will be General Election called. The Tories are spilt but will re group and rule the universe forever. Labour are spilt but will never recover and fade into eternal oblivion. Bias much? This whole mess is a creation of the Tories to stop their own party falling apart. It won't. Politics on both sides of the house is a shambles. No, not bias. The Tories are a much more professional organisation. Whoever they elect, the party will get behind them. They will argue amongst themselves for a few weeks, elect a new leader, and then crack on. Labour are broken with no fix in sight. Not bias, just looking at the cold hard facts. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 13:13:18 GMT
The Tories are spilt but will re group and rule the universe forever. Labour are spilt but will never recover and fade into eternal oblivion. Bias much? This whole mess is a creation of the Tories to stop their own party falling apart. It won't. Politics on both sides of the house is a shambles. Agreed Its hard to stomach when the man who effectively turned the referendum in favour of exit does not have the courage to follow through on his pre referendum commitments. But then we are talking about the Tory Party I think you are getting a bit confused. People didn't vote for Johnson to 'follow through on his pre referendum commitments". They voted to either Remain or Leave the EU. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 13:19:49 GMT
Agreed Its hard to stomach when the man who effectively turned the referendum in favour of exit does not have the courage to follow through on his pre referendum commitments. But then we are talking about the Tory Party I think you are getting a bit confused. People didn't vote for Johnson to 'follow through on his pre referendum commitments". They voted to either Remain or Leave the EU. The path of the referendum was effectively changed when Johnson changed his mind and came out for Brexit. He was the effective spokesman for the Brexit campaign...he made a lot of comments on the outcomes and promised to divert the gross contributions to public spending, especially the NHS. He said it, he promised it. He promised border control, he promised that we would be great again (stop laughing at the back) Now he does not have the courage to stand and fight for those (choke) convictions. Coward or Charlatan...take yer pick |
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Post by peterparker on Jun 30, 2016 13:29:52 GMT
I think you are getting a bit confused. People didn't vote for Johnson to 'follow through on his pre referendum commitments". They voted to either Remain or Leave the EU. The path of the referendum was effectively changed when Johnson changed his mind and came out for Brexit. He was the effective spokesman for the Brexit campaign...he made a lot of comments on the outcomes and promised to divert the gross contributions to public spending, especially the NHS. He said it, he promised it. He promised border control, he promised that we would be great again (stop laughing at the back) Now he does not have the courage to stand and fight for those (choke) convictions. Coward or Charlatan...take yer pick Times columnist Jenni Russell says Boris Johnson "killed off his own career" through his Daily Telegraph column on Monday. She claims he says things to an audience that pleases them for a moment, but then conveniently forgets them. While he's "a fantastic showman" and "an entertainer", she says he gives no attention to detail. She claims Mr Johnson's backers "thought this man can't be trusted in Downing Street" and they started thinking "they've got to find somebody else". |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 13:36:02 GMT
I think you are getting a bit confused. People didn't vote for Johnson to 'follow through on his pre referendum commitments". They voted to either Remain or Leave the EU. The path of the referendum was effectively changed when Johnson changed his mind and came out for Brexit. He was the effective spokesman for the Brexit campaign...he made a lot of comments on the outcomes and promised to divert the gross contributions to public spending, especially the NHS. He said it, he promised it. He promised border control, he promised that we would be great again (stop laughing at the back) Now he does not have the courage to stand and fight for those (choke) convictions. Coward or Charlatan...take yer pick There were people from the Labour Party saying the same things. Nigel Farage was saying things, and he is not even an MP. Didn't you realise this? David Cameron promised us WW3 if we voted Leave........are you now stocking up on tinned food and shotgun cartridges? |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 30, 2016 13:38:14 GMT
The Tories are spilt but will re group and rule the universe forever. Labour are spilt but will never recover and fade into eternal oblivion. Bias much? This whole mess is a creation of the Tories to stop their own party falling apart. It won't. Politics on both sides of the house is a shambles. No, not bias. The Tories are a much more professional organisation. Whoever they elect, the party will get behind them. They will argue amongst themselves for a few weeks, elect a new leader, and then crack on. Labour are broken with no fix in sight. Not bias, just looking at the cold hard facts. Like they've got behind a succession of leaders in the past.... They got behind Cameron so much that he had to call the referendum!! I'm not defending the Labour party btw, it was broken by Tony B Liar and still hasn't recovered. The Lib Dems committed suicide by siding with the "Nasty Party" so effectively the Tories had no opposition yet still tore itself in half over Brexit. I'll concede that so long as Corbyn stays in charge the Tories remain the strongest party but looking at the "cold hard facts", facing any sort of organized challenge (UKIP) and the mighty Tory party fell apart. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2016 14:11:26 GMT
No, not bias. The Tories are a much more professional organisation. Whoever they elect, the party will get behind them. They will argue amongst themselves for a few weeks, elect a new leader, and then crack on. Labour are broken with no fix in sight. Not bias, just looking at the cold hard facts. Like they've got behind a succession of leaders in the past.... They got behind Cameron so much that he had to call the referendum!! I'm not defending the Labour party btw, it was broken by Tony B Liar and still hasn't recovered. The Lib Dems committed suicide by siding with the "Nasty Party" so effectively the Tories had no opposition yet still tore itself in half over Brexit. I'll concede that so long as Corbyn stays in charge the Tories remain the strongest party but looking at the "cold hard facts", facing any sort of organized challenge (UKIP) and the mighty Tory party fell apart. Well, you could argue that the Tories ripped apart because they have politicians who were willing to stand up and argue their case (on both sides) with Gove, Johnson and Leadsom being the main examples for Leave, and Cameron and Osbourne for Remain. Labour had some on the Leave side like Stewart and Hoey, but the vast majority of Labour just sat on the sidelines and kept quiet. As I said though, the Tories will elect a new leader, regroup, and probably emerge far stronger. |
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