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Post by socrates on Nov 21, 2016 19:24:49 GMT
DC has worked absolute wonders when he's swapped and changed it ( this season ) and when he's stuck to something ( the run in last two seasons). Chelsea have won six in a row with an unchanged team and formation, would we have been more successful if we had done something similar this season ? We'all never know but if we win tomorrow we'll probably be back in the top six so life's pretty good.
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Post by peterparker on Nov 21, 2016 19:51:16 GMT
The simple fact is, there is no one right way to play football
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Post by spiess1 on Nov 21, 2016 20:15:26 GMT
Wombles above us......on goal difference.......so that proves everything you say, eh Topper?
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 21, 2016 20:30:31 GMT
Wombles above us......on goal difference.......so that proves everything you say, eh Topper? No, but it seems to show you don't have to change the line up every match to get similar results, it'll be interesting to see how things pan out over the season. Will their players run out of steam/pick up injuries or like Accrington last season still be around the top 6.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 20:39:12 GMT
DC seems to have become obsessed with tinkering, whether it's benefiting or restricting our results is not eady to work out, but what's the betting AFC Wimbledon have a small squad compared to ours but they are now above us in the league? The bigger the squad, the more successful. Topper Facts.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 20:44:09 GMT
Wombles above us......on goal difference.......so that proves everything you say, eh Topper? No, but it seems to show you don't have to change the line up every match to get similar results, it'll be interesting to see how things pan out over the season. Will their players run out of steam/pick up injuries or like Accrington last season still be around the top 6. Some do some don't. Some will some won't. I won't find it interesting in the slightest to see how a team compares to us based on squad size alone. More importantly, they probably have a smaller budget, get smaller crowds, have less ambition and are surrounded by huge clubs.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Nov 21, 2016 20:46:35 GMT
So let me get this straight after the GPS devices had tracked the players running all over the pitches at Cribbs it decided that some may be at risk of injury last Saturday due to fatigue / tiredness? So technology fails us again, as a football club the technology we require is to stop them running about & fatiguing themselves in training and allow them to run about on a Saturday when there are points to be won. Though I’m sure that DC is to honest a guy to use a GPS tracking device to cover up any selection errors. Which is unlike many fans on here. Still you have to feel sorry for all those people fatigued doing manually demanding jobs and forced to do overtime week after week. Though it’s the blessed pampered footballers that really need the protection.
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Post by peterparker on Nov 21, 2016 21:07:02 GMT
So let me get this straight after the GPS devices had tracked the players running all over the pitches at Cribbs it decided that some may be at risk of injury last Saturday due to fatigue / tiredness? So technology fails us again, as a football club the technology we require is to stop them running about & fatiguing themselves in training and allow them to run about on a Saturday when there are points to be won. Though I’m sure that DC is to honest a guy to use a GPS tracking device to cover up any selection errors. Which is unlike many fans on here. Still you have to feel sorry for all those people fatigued doing manually demanding jobs and forced to do overtime week after week. Though it’s the blessed pampered footballers that really need the protection. Again thats a simplistic argument isnt it. If you have 20 something players than surely you want to pick the best combination of your freshest and/or fittest players for any given game
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Post by countygroundhotel on Nov 21, 2016 21:19:50 GMT
So let me get this straight after the GPS devices had tracked the players running all over the pitches at Cribbs it decided that some may be at risk of injury last Saturday due to fatigue / tiredness? So technology fails us again, as a football club the technology we require is to stop them running about & fatiguing themselves in training and allow them to run about on a Saturday when there are points to be won. Though I’m sure that DC is to honest a guy to use a GPS tracking device to cover up any selection errors. Which is unlike many fans on here. Still you have to feel sorry for all those people fatigued doing manually demanding jobs and forced to do overtime week after week. Though it’s the blessed pampered footballers that really need the protection. Again simplistic isnt it. If you have 20 something players than surely you want to pick the best combination of your freshest and/or fittest players for any given game Simplistic, you adjust the training regime in light of the number of games & prevailing conditions to keep the squad fresh. Unfortunately relying on GPS / computer data means you have to train the players before the computer can tell you that they've been overtrained & are now fatigued.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2016 21:20:01 GMT
So let me get this straight after the GPS devices had tracked the players running all over the pitches at Cribbs it decided that some may be at risk of injury last Saturday due to fatigue / tiredness? So technology fails us again, as a football club the technology we require is to stop them running about & fatiguing themselves in training and allow them to run about on a Saturday when there are points to be won. Though I’m sure that DC is to honest a guy to use a GPS tracking device to cover up any selection errors. Which is unlike many fans on here. Still you have to feel sorry for all those people fatigued doing manually demanding jobs and forced to do overtime week after week. Though it’s the blessed pampered footballers that really need the protection. Hahaha. You won't feel sorry though. You'll be on here telling anyone who cares that the tired players look like David Clarkson after jogging up for a corner.
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Post by peterparker on Nov 21, 2016 21:30:00 GMT
Again simplistic isnt it. If you have 20 something players than surely you want to pick the best combination of your freshest and/or fittest players for any given game Simplistic, you adjust the training regime in light of the number of games & prevailing conditions to keep the squad fresh. Unfortunately relying on GPS / computer data means you have to train the players before the computer can tell you that they've been overtrained & are now fatigued. Well we might as well save some money and only have 11 players if its that easy
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Post by countygroundhotel on Nov 21, 2016 21:41:53 GMT
Simplistic, you adjust the training regime in light of the number of games & prevailing conditions to keep the squad fresh. Unfortunately relying on GPS / computer data means you have to train the players before the computer can tell you that they've been overtrained & are now fatigued. Well we might as well save some money and only have 11 players if its that easy Did the computer tell you that?
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Post by paulpirate on Nov 21, 2016 21:43:06 GMT
So let me get this straight after the GPS devices had tracked the players running all over the pitches at Cribbs it decided that some may be at risk of injury last Saturday due to fatigue / tiredness? So technology fails us again, as a football club the technology we require is to stop them running about & fatiguing themselves in training and allow them to run about on a Saturday when there are points to be won. Though I’m sure that DC is to honest a guy to use a GPS tracking device to cover up any selection errors. Which is unlike many fans on here. Still you have to feel sorry for all those people fatigued doing manually demanding jobs and forced to do overtime week after week. Though it’s the blessed pampered footballers that really need the protection. hit the nail on the head there mate,they always get 2 days break at least and get paid a lot of money Most people work 5 or 6 days just to get by,gone are the days when men are treated like men Clubs will start having there own beauticians soon to shave legs and thread eye brows
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Post by aghast on Nov 21, 2016 22:12:55 GMT
But many people doing physically intensive jobs are overworked, underpaid and demotivated and demoralised as a result.
Just what you don't want from a professional football team if you have ambitions to get those players to win promotion for the club.
Outside of the Championship, most players are not paid big wages, but they are looked after in terms of fitness and recovery from injury. We seem to be concentrating on that now, which can only be a good thing. Phil Kite as the one man band with magic sponge in hand never had the resources now available under Wael.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Nov 21, 2016 22:37:02 GMT
But many people doing physically intensive jobs are overworked, underpaid and demotivated and demoralised as a result. Just what you don't want from a professional football team if you have ambitions to get those players to win promotion for the club. Outside of the Championship, most players are not paid big wages, but they are looked after in terms of fitness and recovery from injury. We seem to be concentrating on that now, which can only be a good thing. Phil Kite as the one man band with magic sponge in hand never had the resources now available under Wael. All very admirable but the implication (of those that want to manage by computer data) is you'll have a squad fit for training but withheld from matches. Surely even the simple can see that is arse about face? The technology should be tailored to maximise game time not training time. Perhaps take a leaf from rugby and use the GPS tracking in matches? Then analyse it to assess the fatigued player and adjust their training schedule accordingly? Simples surely?
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Post by gasincider on Nov 22, 2016 0:03:49 GMT
Again thats a simplistic argument isnt it. If you have 20 something players than surely you want to pick the best combination of your freshest and/or fittest players for any given game No. You start by picking your BEST players, then just change any that aren't fully fit. Not tired, just not fit. Just like football has done for over 100 years. As I said before, the league game was much more important, so the rest, if any was required, should have been against Crawley.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 6:49:31 GMT
Again thats a simplistic argument isnt it. If you have 20 something players than surely you want to pick the best combination of your freshest and/or fittest players for any given game No. You start by picking your BEST players, then just change any that aren't fully fit. Not tired, just not fit. Just like football has done for over 100 years. As I said before, the league game was much more important, so the rest, if any was required, should have been against Crawley. Who stipulates best? Also your best 4 strikers or midfielders can't play if it's 4-3-3. You didn't have squads of 30 players 100 years ago. We didn't know that Crawley was going to be such a hurdle that went to extra time. Winning mentality etc. Hindsight etc.
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Post by stigofthegas on Nov 22, 2016 7:10:23 GMT
Again thats a simplistic argument isnt it. If you have 20 something players than surely you want to pick the best combination of your freshest and/or fittest players for any given game No. You start by picking your BEST players, then just change any that aren't fully fit. Not tired, just not fit. Just like football has done for over 100 years. As I said before, the league game was much more important, so the rest, if any was required, should have been against Crawley. Haven't you worked it out yet? The reason we are in the top 10 of League 1 with what is fundamentally a Conference squad plus a few loans is because DC DOESNT approach games like every other manager has for the last 100 years. His approach is to win games by finishing them with his strongest attacking team, not starting with his strongest attacking team. Look at when we score our goals, how many points we pick up in the last 15 minutes. That isn't chance. That's what DC does. That's what he did on Saturday with the added complication of some tired legs. Please tell me you don't want DC to stop being DC because that's what I read in your post.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 7:14:05 GMT
But it isn't one or the other is it.
The computer can suggest x player is below par. I imagine DC and the staff actually talk to the player as well
I was gonna make the same point Pete - the computer doesn't decide. Highly skilled/trained/qualified operatives make decisions based on the info it supplies. But yeah, ask the player.... & get an answer based on his opinion, not factual This is a really interesting post as it contains a fundamental truth about the scientific method which is overlooked. Often, certain questions or conundrums are answered by science. People will say "it's scientifically proven" as if that means it's settled forever. Science always needs a human brain on the end of the data to make a judgement call. Science proves nothing other than the theory a human is suggesting. For example, before we had time to study the stars, one could observe the sun rising and falling in the sky, and based on this "data" the original human scientist may have theorised the sun orbits the Earth - Occam's razor would say that this is the most likely explanation.... I must say I enjoyed the scenery on this huge detour but to return to the point, totally agree that the computer does not say to Clarke in a robot voice "play diamond and make seven changes. Meep" Or so it may seem? Perhaps BRFC is actually a team in some super intelligent beings Football Manager game and we are figments of its imagination. You never know. Whoever he is, he's probably watering himself at our reactions.
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Post by garystash on Nov 22, 2016 7:38:00 GMT
The computer cannot reason. It provides data. People make the decisions based upon the data and their ability to reason about it.
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