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Post by peterparker on Nov 22, 2016 7:39:06 GMT
Again thats a simplistic argument isnt it. If you have 20 something players than surely you want to pick the best combination of your freshest and/or fittest players for any given game No. You start by picking your BEST players, then just change any that aren't fully fit. Not tired, just not fit. Just like football has done for over 100 years. As I said before, the league game was much more important, so the rest, if any was required, should have been against Crawley. An Abacus atill works but i wouldnt choose to use one in work todsy But the point i made earlier There is no one right way to play football and approach a match. DC does what HE thinks is best for any given match given all the information he has, the opposition, fitness data, his own thoughts, his staffs opinions and his own eyes. Tonight could see, Hartley, Lines, Montano, Bodin, Taylor, Gaffney in. 6 changes We could play 44fexking2. We could win, we could lose or we could draw. One thing i am sure of is DC will pick the team HE THINKS will have the best chance of winning. Not what a computer thinks for all those getting uptight about being in the 21st century. It is an additional tool. Not a sentinent being controlling DC I guess Dieticians, and sports psycologists are considered devil worshippers by some on here
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Post by paulpirate on Nov 22, 2016 8:00:06 GMT
It could see them with there feet up on the sofa if this Dam rain doesn't stop,is it still raining in Bristol:(
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 22, 2016 9:50:02 GMT
Good point about AFCW but as the season progresses I think DC will start to tinker less and know his best teams based on what's happened over the past two years. At the moment of the teams that came up us, AFC and Northampton seem to change positions every week. It only counts at the end of April! UTG!
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 22, 2016 10:31:24 GMT
It's not really, though. AFCW could be at the bottom of the table on three points and DC would still make lots of changes and we would still have drawn with MKDonalds and we would still be in the top half. Or they could be ten points clear at the top and DC would still make lots of changes and we would still have drawn with MKDonalds and we would still be in the top half.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 10:41:41 GMT
Personally I don't care how the rest of the team is setup but I want to see a settled back 4 at least.
It would have been interesting to see how JCS and Hartley performed together, but Tom has seemingly been undroppable despite a dodgy start to the season.
Has this super computer told us that Liam Lawrence needs to be sent to the knackers yard yet?
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Post by newmarketgas on Nov 22, 2016 10:50:29 GMT
I want to see 10 changes, just for fun !
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 22, 2016 11:07:54 GMT
Personally I don't care how the rest of the team is setup but I want to see a settled back 4 at least. It would have been interesting to see how JCS and Hartley performed together, but Tom has seemingly been undroppable despite a dodgy start to the season. Has this super computer told us that Liam Lawrence needs to be sent to the knackers yard yet? Aren't JCS & PH both left footers, if so, I can;t see them ever starting together in a league match, although wasn't TL MotM according to some on Saturday, which seems to go against DC's views that players benefited from having a rest after the Millwall/Crawley games!
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Post by countygroundhotel on Nov 22, 2016 11:32:00 GMT
Personally I don't care how the rest of the team is setup but I want to see a settled back 4 at least. It would have been interesting to see how JCS and Hartley performed together, but Tom has seemingly been undroppable despite a dodgy start to the season. Has this super computer told us that Liam Lawrence needs to be sent to the knackers yard yet? Aren't JCS & PH both left footers, if so, I can;t see them ever starting together in a league match, although wasn't TL MotM according to some on Saturday, which seems to go against DC's views that players benefited from having a rest after the Millwall/Crawley games! Conventional wisdom says a left & right footed combination is preferred at centre back. Conventional wisdom says managers aim for a settled side. Conventional wisdom says you rest players between matches not during matches. So no surprise tonight if Hartley and Chelsea lad start together. Especially if the computer says all the other centre backs are fatigued.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 11:32:16 GMT
Personally I don't care how the rest of the team is setup but I want to see a settled back 4 at least. It would have been interesting to see how JCS and Hartley performed together, but Tom has seemingly been undroppable despite a dodgy start to the season. Has this super computer told us that Liam Lawrence needs to be sent to the knackers yard yet? Aren't JCS & PH both left footers, if so, I can;t see them ever starting together in a league match, although wasn't TL MotM according to some on Saturday, which seems to go against DC's views that players benefited from having a rest after the Millwall/Crawley games!
I don't see that as a problem when it comes to CB's. They are usually in the middle of the pitch unlike full backs where it would impact a lot more.
I played CB all my footballing life (albeit at County level) and what side we were on was never debated as usually you would be assigned to pick up one of the strikers (usually based on height or speed).
Yes I agree Tom played very well on Saturday but overall he hasn't had the best starts to the season and others have been sitting in the stands after playing well!
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Post by wiaww on Nov 22, 2016 11:44:58 GMT
No. You start by picking your BEST players, then just change any that aren't fully fit. Not tired, just not fit. Just like football has done for over 100 years. As I said before, the league game was much more important, so the rest, if any was required, should have been against Crawley. Haven't you worked it out yet? The reason we are in the top 10 of League 1 with what is fundamentally a Conference squad plus a few loans is because DC DOESNT approach games like every other manager has for the last 100 years. His approach is to win games by finishing them with his strongest attacking team, not starting with his strongest attacking team. Look at when we score our goals, how many points we pick up in the last 15 minutes. That isn't chance. That's what DC does. That's what he did on Saturday with the added complication of some tired legs. Please tell me you don't want DC to stop being DC because that's what I read in your post. Some people will always think that they know best, that's predominantly why football forums are a thing. We are in a fantastic position compared to where we were when DC took charge and we are still on an upward trajectory so personally I have absolutely no reason to question DC’s methods. Yes I stood on the terrace on Saturday somewhat bemused by the team selection but at this point he’s earned more than enough of my trust for me to be happy that the side he puts out and his gameplan give us the best chance of taking three points. For someone to think that they know otherwise indicates an ENOURMOUS amount of self-belief…
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 11:47:51 GMT
Unchanged tonight, utter bedlam on the forums would be fantastic
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Post by DTGas on Nov 22, 2016 12:28:11 GMT
This how I think we'll line up tonight;
Roos Leads Lockyer JCS Brown O. Clarke Sinclair Lines Easter Taylor Gaffney
What I'd like to see;
Roos Leads Lockyer JCS Brown Bodin Sinclair Lines Monty Taylor Gaffney
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Post by faggotygas on Nov 22, 2016 13:45:00 GMT
But many people doing physically intensive jobs are overworked, underpaid and demotivated and demoralised as a result. Just what you don't want from a professional football team if you have ambitions to get those players to win promotion for the club. Outside of the Championship, most players are not paid big wages, but they are looked after in terms of fitness and recovery from injury. We seem to be concentrating on that now, which can only be a good thing. Phil Kite as the one man band with magic sponge in hand never had the resources now available under Wael. All very admirable but the implication (of those that want to manage by computer data) is you'll have a squad fit for training but withheld from matches. Surely even the simple can see that is arse about face? The technology should be tailored to maximise game time not training time. Perhaps take a leaf from rugby and use the GPS tracking in matches? Then analyse it to assess the fatigued player and adjust their training schedule accordingly? Simples surely? How do you know that it was data from a full training session that was used?
How do you know that the affects of a game are knowable immediately after the game?
Seriously, if you're denying the usefulness of computer analysis in elite performance, then you are going against the prevailing opinion at every top professional sports club in the world, along with all modern athletic coaching. Dave Brailsford's team uses it extensively, for example, and GB hasn't done too badly at pushbiking lately.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 13:54:46 GMT
and GB hasn't done too badly at pushbiking lately. [/p][/quote]
Is that because they're good or because they have exemptions for performance enhancement drugs? Not like those Russians who cheat.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Nov 22, 2016 14:02:15 GMT
All very admirable but the implication (of those that want to manage by computer data) is you'll have a squad fit for training but withheld from matches. Surely even the simple can see that is arse about face? The technology should be tailored to maximise game time not training time. Perhaps take a leaf from rugby and use the GPS tracking in matches? Then analyse it to assess the fatigued player and adjust their training schedule accordingly? Simples surely? How do you know that it was data from a full training session that was used?
How do you know that the affects of a game are knowable immediately after the game?
Seriously, if you're denying the usefulness of computer analysis in elite performance, then you are going against the prevailing opinion at every top professional sports club in the world, along with all modern athletic coaching. Dave Brailsford's team uses it extensively, for example, and GB hasn't done too badly at pushbiking lately.
First question I'm going by what others have said on this thread so I don't know but why don't you question them as to why players were rested based on training data? Second question they can't know the effect because football isn't using GPS tracking to my knowledge during games unlike say rugby. As for the rest if you're going to comment on what I've said at least have the courtesy to read my comments, the bit about following rugby's lead refers directly to using technology just using it to maximise playing time and not training time. Professional rugby also stipulates the number of games a player can play, seems they might be taking player welfare more seriously than football? But you and others aren't willing too listen to reason because you know best in you're own little world
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Post by thegasman on Nov 22, 2016 14:38:31 GMT
Rovers are certainly wearing their GPS vests during a game, so data is available virtually immediately.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2016 14:50:43 GMT
I would suggest the same keeper and back four as Saturday based on their individual and collective performances culminating in a clean sheet. The only change I can foresee is Hartley being brought in purely because he can be more of a threat from corners in the oppositions box. No doubt DC will ring the changes in all other areas based on all previous games this season.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Nov 22, 2016 14:56:09 GMT
Rovers are certainly wearing their GPS vests during a game, so data is available virtually immediately. Wasn't aware football authorities had cleared players to wear them. But if that is the case then the data should be used to tailor fatigued players training routines so that they are all available for selection on matchday. I'm sure that is too logical for some on here though.
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Post by faggotygas on Nov 22, 2016 16:16:20 GMT
Rovers are certainly wearing their GPS vests during a game, so data is available virtually immediately. Wasn't aware football authorities had cleared players to wear them. But if that is the case then the data should be used to tailor fatigued players training routines so that they are all available for selection on matchday. I'm sure that is too logical for some on here though. Another how for you then, how do you know that's not what is happening? Your entire complaint is based on an assumption that you have no idea is true, so how do you know that your complaint is valid?
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Post by faggotygas on Nov 22, 2016 16:19:30 GMT
How do you know that it was data from a full training session that was used?
How do you know that the affects of a game are knowable immediately after the game?
Seriously, if you're denying the usefulness of computer analysis in elite performance, then you are going against the prevailing opinion at every top professional sports club in the world, along with all modern athletic coaching. Dave Brailsford's team uses it extensively, for example, and GB hasn't done too badly at pushbiking lately.
First question I'm going by what others have said on this thread so I don't know but why don't you question them as to why players were rested based on training data? Second question they can't know the effect because football isn't using GPS tracking to my knowledge during games unlike say rugby. As for the rest if you're going to comment on what I've said at least have the courtesy to read my comments, the bit about following rugby's lead refers directly to using technology just using it to maximise playing time and not training time. Professional rugby also stipulates the number of games a player can play, seems they might be taking player welfare more seriously than football? But you and others aren't willing too listen to reason because you know best in you're own little world Ok, that last paragraph was aimed at others more than you. But if you are basing your whole argument on what random others have said on a football forum, with no clue as to whether they are right in what they say, then your argument is groundless and you should either find out the facts for yourself, or give the coaching team the benefit of the doubt. In my opinion, of course.
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