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Post by chippenhamgas on Jan 22, 2017 17:35:01 GMT
Sounds like they want to build a stadium on a cheap piece of land rather than pay market rate for one. In Bristol?! Good luck with that! Would you spend that much of your money with no hope of a return? Would you? To build a stadium we have to buy a piece of land, it won't be cheap, if they don't want to build one they shouldn't have bought the club.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 17:42:05 GMT
Does anyone have a link to the full interview? I was out and couldn't get to a radio. Go to the radio bristol website and listen to yesterday's sport programme. It's in the first hour 1300_1400.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 22, 2017 18:08:20 GMT
Would you spend that much of your money with no hope of a return? Would you? To build a stadium we have to buy a piece of land, it won't be cheap, if they don't want to build one they shouldn't have bought the club. Did Wael get hoodwinked by SH or just carried away on a emotion trip, as surely before buying the club he should have had talks with the UWE to ascertain how much they wanted for the freehold not just buy the club then try and negotiate a deal. Unless the Al-Q's want to write off millions of their own money I can't see how the UWE can ever be viable as a business concern, nor will buying any land and building a stadium in Bristol be viable. Given we can't now afford Easter & co's wages why are we spending £m's on a training ground, as how can we afford to finance that whilst haemorrhaging money at the Mem.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Jan 22, 2017 18:12:55 GMT
Talk is cheap. Actions always speak louder than words, all of the actions over the last 6 months, starting with the guys we appointed to deliver the project leaving, radio silence since and now this evasive interview tell us what is really going on. UWE is probably dead and that might actually mean that the grand plans and enthusiasm of our new owners could also be dying too. Brace yourself folks for the next downturn on the Rollercoaster that is supporting Bristol Rovers! What complete bollox! This club has nothing of any value apart from a sh**ty ground and our very large fanbase. The new owners are trying to do something that no other board have been able to do during our clubs history, and that's build us a new stadium and take us to highs that we've never been to before. But due to them not being able to do this in under a year of there ownership, people believe that they are no longer interested and now want to leg it - Have word with yourself! Load of bollox? If you think that your head is so far up your arse that you can probably see your bollox from the inside. No doubt the current owners are trying to deliver a new stadium just like Higgs tried, just like the Dunfords tried All of them have told us want we wanted to hear until everything collapsed around them and this lot are doing the the same, no doubt the next lot will too! I imagine that the current owners are very frustrated that talks they had with UWE pre take over are a massive contrast to what they are now, but who knows, but anyone who believes everything is going to plan is living In a sycophantic bubble. So if you can't see that everything isn't going to plan, and ignore actions in favour of words it's you that needs to give your head a wobble.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 22, 2017 18:15:48 GMT
I really don't understand what the issue is with the fans over UWE. Did anyone really believe there was a sustainable business plan to run the stadium and club if the stadium had been built during the previous owners tenure? Does anyone really think that those same people actually calculated an ROI, and a timeline? Does anyone think that a cash flow forecast had been made, working capital requirement calculated and provision made? If you accept that most likely none of this was in place, that perhaps the whole basis of the deal with UWE (as negotiated previously) undermined that whole concept of a positive outcome, is it not surprising that the new owners are starting from scratch. All power to them. If they don't build it I would think its because the returns and cash flows make it untenable. Quite right to. I would imagine they are here because they believe they can achieve this, somewhere. In which case lets sit back and let them run the business properly. It makes a change from bravado and false swagger. Read more: gasheads.org/thread/6053/steve-hamer-rad-bris-project?page=2#ixzz4WVcscRkdSpot on.
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Post by chippenhamgas on Jan 22, 2017 19:07:33 GMT
To build a stadium we have to buy a piece of land, it won't be cheap, if they don't want to build one they shouldn't have bought the club. Did Wael get hoodwinked by SH or just carried away on a emotion trip, as surely before buying the club he should have had talks with the UWE to ascertain how much they wanted for the freehold not just buy the club then try and negotiate a deal. Unless the Al-Q's want to write off millions of their own money I can't see how the UWE can ever be viable as a business concern, nor will buying any land and building a stadium in Bristol be viable. Given we can't now afford Easter & co's wages why are we spending £m's on a training ground, as how can we afford to finance that whilst haemorrhaging money at the Mem. Exactly, if the al-q's don't want to spend what it would cost to build a stadium on the uwe land they are effectively saying they don't want to pay to build a stadium for brfc full stop. Can't imagine there will be much difference in cost elsewhere and of course building costs increase every year adding to it.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 22, 2017 20:23:17 GMT
Did Wael get hoodwinked by SH or just carried away on a emotion trip, as surely before buying the club he should have had talks with the UWE to ascertain how much they wanted for the freehold not just buy the club then try and negotiate a deal. Unless the Al-Q's want to write off millions of their own money I can't see how the UWE can ever be viable as a business concern, nor will buying any land and building a stadium in Bristol be viable. Given we can't now afford Easter & co's wages why are we spending £m's on a training ground, as how can we afford to finance that whilst haemorrhaging money at the Mem. Exactly, if the al-q's don't want to spend what it would cost to build a stadium on the uwe land they are effectively saying they don't want to pay to build a stadium for brfc full stop. Can't imagine there will be much difference in cost elsewhere and of course building costs increase every year adding to it. Who said they don't want to spend? They can afford Easters wages, but financial fair play means we have to move players on, so we can bring more in. They cleared debts, bought the new training ground and are paying people like the ex Wembley man to work on the clubs behalf. They are spending what they are allowed and that's why they want the new ground. It will generate more money, allowing them to spend more on wages.
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Post by Strange Gas on Jan 22, 2017 20:27:05 GMT
Does anyone have a link to the full interview? I was out and couldn't get to a radio. bbc.in/2j6N2BsStarts at 19 mins in to the programme. Worth a listen, but nothing really thats not been covered on this thread . . .
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Post by oldgas on Jan 22, 2017 20:37:32 GMT
Just listened to SH interview on catch - up. It seems to me that he was very uncomfortable when GT started to ask questions about UWE stadium. What a contrast to the glib assurances he gave me on the train after Charlton. What makes that even worse in my book was the fact I gave him the opportunity NOT to discuss UWE if it was a sensitive subject. He stated in the interview how important all the notional shareholders (supporters) are to the club. Not impressed at all.
Earlier in the interview he was talking about the wage cap when recruiting new players. I thought it was the case that sides promoted from Conference were excused from FFP for 2 seasons. I'd that's the case then signing players shouldn't be a problem this season.
Mr Hamer has a forked tongue me thinks.
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Post by pucklegas on Jan 22, 2017 20:52:07 GMT
Just listened to SH interview on catch - up. It seems to me that he was very uncomfortable when GT started to ask questions about UWE stadium. What a contrast to the glib assurances he gave me on the train after Charlton. What makes that even worse in my book was the fact I gave him the opportunity NOT to discuss UWE if it was a sensitive subject. He stated in the interview how important all the notional shareholders (supporters) are to the club. Not impressed at all. Earlier in the interview he was talking about the wage cap when recruiting new players. I thought it was the case that sides promoted from Conference were excused from FFP for 2 seasons. I'd that's the case then signing players shouldn't be a problem this season. Mr Hamer has a forked tongue me thinks. Old gas you ain't the only one, Gasincider has had conversations with him which are alien to the 20 pence interview. Would rather not have heard the interview as felt depressed afterwards, then listened to the football while looking after my boy hence why I wasn't there.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 22, 2017 20:52:41 GMT
Exactly, if the al-q's don't want to spend what it would cost to build a stadium on the uwe land they are effectively saying they don't want to pay to build a stadium for brfc full stop. Can't imagine there will be much difference in cost elsewhere and of course building costs increase every year adding to it. Who said they don't want to spend? They can afford Easters wages, but financial fair play means we have to move players on, so we can bring more in. They cleared debts, bought the new training ground and are paying people like the ex Wembley man to work on the clubs behalf. They are spending what they are allowed and that's why they want the new ground. It will generate more money, allowing them to spend more on wages. How can DC say last month he only had a bottom 8 budget but SH now say we're in danger of going over budget but gates are highest they've ever been and we've the £300/400K from the Chelsea game, something doesn't add up. As far as clearing our debts arent they just now lying with Dwane Sport but at least now manageable, we haven't bought the new training ground just yet as contact won't be exchanged until the 3 Feb, the ex Wembley guy as long gone. As far as spending what they are allowed surely they are spending what they want to, there's no control over what they want to donate to the club.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Jan 22, 2017 20:56:43 GMT
Just listened to SH interview on catch - up. It seems to me that he was very uncomfortable when GT started to ask questions about UWE stadium. What a contrast to the glib assurances he gave me on the train after Charlton. What makes that even worse in my book was the fact I gave him the opportunity NOT to discuss UWE if it was a sensitive subject. He stated in the interview how important all the notional shareholders (supporters) are to the club. Not impressed at all. Earlier in the interview he was talking about the wage cap when recruiting new players. I thought it was the case that sides promoted from Conference were excused from FFP for 2 seasons. I'd that's the case then signing players shouldn't be a problem this season. Mr Hamer has a forked tongue me thinks. He was full of it when they first took over the club, on local TV and Radio all the time but of course he was perceived as one of the heroes then, saving us from financial meltdown and the Sainsbury's debacle. We had no reason to doubt his honesty or integrity then, but he's doing a good job of changing that now. Then again he's only an employee of the people who make the decisions so maybe it's Wael (who also wasn't backwards in coming forwards) who needs to answer the questions put to Hamer.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 22, 2017 21:09:52 GMT
How is Hamer dishonest, having a forked tongue or leading people on? He has made no guarantees of the UWE being built, he's said things will take time, he is refusing to give an update unless there is something actually happening. That seems pretty transparent and honest to me. As for saying we'd get an update in about 3 weeks time - guess this was our update and I don't think they could have done any more given circumstance.
A chairman writing an update every month and saying that a watertight deal is in place to build a stadium, and that partners aren't about to pull out, and that we're confident to win a court case we clearly can't win, is the example of a dishonest, forked tongue chairman. Do you seriously think Hamer is in the same park as Nick Higgs? Someone who had 10 years to deliver a stadium and championship football but left us in the conference with an ever aging stadium without key upkeep being completed on it (just to remind you more than enough upkeep was all done within six months of the new ownership).
Hamer and the Al-Qadi's have said we'll get a new stadium. I think some of you are applying expectations formed from the previous board onto the new one which is quite a different beast (and thank f**k for that)
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Post by chippenhamgas on Jan 22, 2017 21:09:54 GMT
Just listened to SH interview on catch - up. It seems to me that he was very uncomfortable when GT started to ask questions about UWE stadium. What a contrast to the glib assurances he gave me on the train after Charlton. What makes that even worse in my book was the fact I gave him the opportunity NOT to discuss UWE if it was a sensitive subject. He stated in the interview how important all the notional shareholders (supporters) are to the club. Not impressed at all. Earlier in the interview he was talking about the wage cap when recruiting new players. I thought it was the case that sides promoted from Conference were excused from FFP for 2 seasons. I'd that's the case then signing players shouldn't be a problem this season. Mr Hamer has a forked tongue me thinks. Seems like Hamer is saying one thing in private to fans off the record and another to the media. I stand by what i previously said about uwe looking doubtful and Hamer has now virtually confirmed this. The people at the top change but the fans get treated the same.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 22, 2017 21:12:01 GMT
Just listened to SH interview on catch - up. It seems to me that he was very uncomfortable when GT started to ask questions about UWE stadium. What a contrast to the glib assurances he gave me on the train after Charlton. What makes that even worse in my book was the fact I gave him the opportunity NOT to discuss UWE if it was a sensitive subject. He stated in the interview how important all the notional shareholders (supporters) are to the club. Not impressed at all. Earlier in the interview he was talking about the wage cap when recruiting new players. I thought it was the case that sides promoted from Conference were excused from FFP for 2 seasons. I'd that's the case then signing players shouldn't be a problem this season. Mr Hamer has a forked tongue me thinks. Seems like Hamer is saying one thing in private to fans off the record and another to the media. I stand by what i previously said about uwe looking doubtful and Hamer has now virtually confirmed this. The people at the top change but the fans get treated the same. In private he said things were going well and we'd hear something in 3 weeks time. Seems like we've got that? He's said nothing about it being doubtful he's said we have a deadline to reach but that we hope we'll get there before then.
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Post by Icegas on Jan 22, 2017 21:29:39 GMT
What complete bollox! This club has nothing of any value apart from a sh**ty ground and our very large fanbase. The new owners are trying to do something that no other board have been able to do during our clubs history, and that's build us a new stadium and take us to highs that we've never been to before. But due to them not being able to do this in under a year of there ownership, people believe that they are no longer interested and now want to leg it - Have word with yourself! Load of bollox? If you think that your head is so far up your arse that you can probably see your bollox from the inside. No doubt the current owners are trying to deliver a new stadium just like Higgs tried, just like the Dunfords tried All of them have told us want we wanted to hear until everything collapsed around them and this lot are doing the the same, no doubt the next lot will too! I imagine that the current owners are very frustrated that talks they had with UWE pre take over are a massive contrast to what they are now, but who knows, but anyone who believes everything is going to plan is living In a sycophantic bubble. So if you can't see that everything isn't going to plan, and ignore actions in favour of words it's you that needs to give your head a wobble. I agree with most of what you have written here but where is there ANY EVIDENCE that the UWE project has either ended or even stalled...? Has it needed to take a different direction due to the shambolic agreement that higgs had first agreed in his effort to get us a new ground,yes I would say so.It's clear Wael wants much better terms for us than Higgs was willing to agree to,thus the hold up. What's bollox is just because Wael and co have not be able to agree new terms with the UWE - yet,( in under a year) the deal is now over and the typical victim section of our fanbase come out with there negatively and scaremongering B.S.. saying how Wael has now got board and lost his interest and wants to sell our club.Its complete created BOLLOX because they have not heard any news so they make up crap and its always the worst news! Just like with the money we have spent on transfers. Wael said from the moment he came in that it was evolution rather revolution.He said about building us up from the ground up slowly,yet just because we are not spending millions on players here in league one he must now want to leave us,or has no money. I hate that there is a section of our fanbase where even when things are going well they have to look at things in the worst way and still need to turn up to box one on matchdays and believe that whomever is in there is the enemy and must be up to no good.
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Post by chippenhamgas on Jan 22, 2017 21:44:12 GMT
Seems like Hamer is saying one thing in private to fans off the record and another to the media. I stand by what i previously said about uwe looking doubtful and Hamer has now virtually confirmed this. The people at the top change but the fans get treated the same. In private he said things were going well and we'd hear something in 3 weeks time. Seems like we've got that? He's said nothing about it being doubtful he's said we have a deadline to reach but that we hope we'll get there before then. We've got nothing, that interview tells us there's a problem, the conversation he had on the train was completely different.
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Post by aghast on Jan 22, 2017 21:54:21 GMT
Fan: "Mr Hamer! Never expected to see you on a train with the fans!"
SH: "I am a fan too, fellow Gashead!"
Fan: "Great! Can I sit here?
<Fan does not wait for answer.>
Fan: "Mr Hamer, now you might not want to answer this, but what da f*ck is going on with UWE?"
<SH hesitates.>
Fan: "Steve, mate, you can tell me. After all we're all fans. And I assure you anything you tell me will be between the two of us!"
<SH hesitates, contemplates pressing the emergency button, but composes himself.>
SH: "Rest assured that negotiations continue and an announcement will be made at the right time."
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 22, 2017 21:59:42 GMT
In private he said things were going well and we'd hear something in 3 weeks time. Seems like we've got that? He's said nothing about it being doubtful he's said we have a deadline to reach but that we hope we'll get there before then. We've got nothing, that interview tells us there's a problem, the conversation he had on the train was completely different. Not once did he say there's a problem jut that there are things to work through and find agreement on.
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Post by chippenhamgas on Jan 22, 2017 22:13:01 GMT
We've got nothing, that interview tells us there's a problem, the conversation he had on the train was completely different. Not once did he say there's a problem jut that there are things to work through and find agreement on. And we all know what that is!! Quite rightly uwe want market value and why wouldn't they. No plan b in place so no comparison on cost elsewhere or a bargaining chip to use.
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