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Post by gasandelectricity on Jan 21, 2017 14:56:06 GMT
Has anyone actually seen any plans for the training ground? At the moment it sounds like we're going to have a few re-seeded pitches and a clubhouse akin to what you'd see in the county league? Where's the plans for the state of the art facilities? Hamer said something like "the training ground will be developed in line with the sustainability of the club" Not saying it was exactly that but i felt a bit flat after he said it. ....after talking about how they're visiting Fleetwood's £7m facility which is made sustainable by having community facilities.
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Post by pucklegas on Jan 21, 2017 14:56:11 GMT
Interesting that he said (twice) that the landscape has changed at UWE and that they are still building. Conjecture of course but I wonder if UWE have a plan B ? five and a half years is a long time to have land empty and things change. I wonder if UOB fail to get planning permission for their (preposterous) proposed development at the SSO site the firms financing it could offer the chance to UWE. Funny I picked up on him mentioning that they the UWE have started building, seemed quite miffed in my humble opinion, and I can't see it coming off now, hope I am wrong. 20 pence gave it a go in fairness, not the Sweeney but a decent interview!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 15:01:01 GMT
Thought it was a decent balanced interview. Nothing over promised, pretty rational.
I am not surprised that UWE has been frustrating .... Wael and SH both said a good while ago that they had found ' surprises' when they first looked at the deal. I think we have said No to many of the original UWE favoured clauses and it's taken a bit of time to sort out.
Training ground feels about right .... we shall start to see progress very soon,
Player ' ins and Outs' made sense ....
My only nervousness was Taylor's greedy agent .... if he left last minute and we had no replacement that might sting.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 15:01:59 GMT
Interesting that he said (twice) that the landscape has changed at UWE and that they are still building. Conjecture of course but I wonder if UWE have a plan B ? five and a half years is a long time to have land empty and things change. I wonder if UOB fail to get planning permission for their (preposterous) proposed development at the SSO site the firms financing it could offer the chance to UWE. Funny I picked up on him mentioning that they the UWE have started building, seemed quite miffed in my humble opinion, and I can't see it coming off now, hope I am wrong. 20 pence gave it a go in fairness, not the Sweeney but a decent interview! Nothing changed there then. If you knew anything about the UWE, you would know its been a building site since they first opened many years ago. They had had loads of spare land especially since they bought a load off HP.
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Post by womble on Jan 21, 2017 15:02:59 GMT
Has anyone actually seen any plans for the training ground? At the moment it sounds like we're going to have a few re-seeded pitches and a clubhouse akin to what you'd see in the county league? Where's the plans for the state of the art facilities? Hamer said something like "the training ground will be developed in line with the sustainability of the club" Not saying it was exactly that but i felt a bit flat after he said it. That's not really new though. It has been already stated that we would start with a Category 3 academy (appropriate for our current position), and look towards Category 2 in time (appropriate if we were in the Championship). Evolution not revolution again.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 15:31:07 GMT
Is it? The value being based on what exactly? are you for real? Size, location, likely use, topography, chances of planning permission, soil conditions to name just a few. Yes I am for real, last time I checked anyway! So the original valuation was most definitely based on your assumptions and not a figure agreed by Nick Higgs and UWE then, is that what your saying? Always good to have facts coming out rather than assumptions, guess work and pure speculation.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 15:38:02 GMT
are you for real? Size, location, likely use, topography, chances of planning permission, soil conditions to name just a few. Yes I am for real, last time I checked anyway! So the original valuation was most definitely based on your assumptions and not a figure agreed by Nick Higgs and UWE then, is that what your saying? Always good to have facts coming out rather than assumptions, guess work and pure speculation. what? What exactly have I assumed? Are u really saying highs and UWE just came to an agreement? UWE will have had the land valued by there people at some point but we were going to be renting so I am not sure what the hell your talking about to be honest. When did Highs agree a price?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 15:58:33 GMT
Hamer said something like "the training ground will be developed in line with the sustainability of the club" Not saying it was exactly that but i felt a bit flat after he said it. That's not really new though. It has been already stated that we would start with a Category 3 academy (appropriate for our current position), and look towards Category 2 in time (appropriate if we were in the Championship). Evolution not revolution again. Thanks for that,i had visions of a couple of pitches and a shower block until some funds are available some time in the future to make it a great facility.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 16:14:55 GMT
Yes I am for real, last time I checked anyway! So the original valuation was most definitely based on your assumptions and not a figure agreed by Nick Higgs and UWE then, is that what your saying? Always good to have facts coming out rather than assumptions, guess work and pure speculation. what? What exactly have I assumed? Are u really saying highs and UWE just came to an agreement? UWE will have had the land valued by there people at some point but we were going to be renting so I am not sure what the hell your talking about to be honest. When did Highs agree a price? The terms of the lease of the land (previously agreed) you would like to think be based on the true saleable value. My point is how can anyone be sure without proof that the valuation of the land that we want to build on is the true market value as suggested by CG? I'm not confident that the deal that UWE want for the value of the land is based on its actual market value, and not a nonsensical figure made between the two parties led by the previous chairman who failed at everything he was involved with. I really don't think that WAQ would gamble in the same way that Higgs did for years by refusing to paying the current true market value of the land, this project and collaboration has far too much going for it to cave in over not wanting to pay market value. CG has gone on to say that he imagines that the finance secured for the stadium is dependent on a much lower price being paid, it would be good to see something backing this up as well to get a clearer picture.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jan 21, 2017 16:57:17 GMT
I'm afraid SH is wrong.
Planning permission expires in January 2018
Yes when he said it i thought he got it wrong... But the contract may well have to be exchanged by then to ensure we can start before Jan 2018. Remember a ARP planning is required before any work can start and they can take upto 3 months to get permision for
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 21, 2017 17:09:04 GMT
The question I have is who is carrying out these negotiations now that (as far as i am aware) the directors brought into oversee this have now left ? I thought only one left. Thought the one that worked on Wembley was still here???
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Post by Langford Gas on Jan 21, 2017 18:20:41 GMT
The question I have is who is carrying out these negotiations now that (as far as i am aware) the directors brought into oversee this have now left ? I thought only one left. Thought the one that worked on Wembley was still here??? I'm not sure but was under the impression he was the one that had left
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Post by socrates on Jan 21, 2017 18:35:49 GMT
Selling immediately after the UWE deal falls through would be the worst thing to do for them. Think how much hope value would be wiped out? A site with planning permission is a commercial asset. You don't just shrug your shoulders and walk away from a long term investment if that much is going to disappear from your book value overnight. Certainly not when a little bit of work could put that option back on the table at another site. Sometimes it is sooooo frustrating reading people's comments on here! And without wishing to sound sound arrogant or dismissive, most of us (myself included) have absolutely NO FUCKNG IDEA how business is conducted at the level that Wael, his family & SH are used to operating at, do we? This isn't Monopoly, FFS! It's not as simple as buying the plot and sticking a plastic hotel on it! Business deals like this are like icebergs - for the 10% you can see above the water, there is 90% under the water that you can't see - but it's there . . . I know it's frustrating not being in the know, or feeling like you've been kept in the dark, but this is out of necessity isn't it? We don't actually NEED to know - and I'm sorry if that makes people feel less important, but it's true. We're not financing the project, underwriting it in any way, providing materials or the site etc etc. We just have to trust that Wael & Co are acting in the best interests of the club and taking us forward in a manner that is sensible and sustainable. UTG (Puts on helmet and waits for barrage of toys being thrown out of prams . . .) This is how I see it and refuse to get drawn in to the stadium debate. We've alwsys played in a crap stadium in my time watching the Gas but always created a decent atmosphere and the footballs been good bad and somewhere in between in that time. I hope we do build a new stadium but I'm not crying out for news because until the machines go in and start the ground work it's all talk and who cares about that - good news one minute - bad the next , I've seen it all before for over 30 years and ive got to the point where I'm just not interested in chat about our new bloody ground let our owner get on with it and I'll do my job , supporting the team.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 21, 2017 18:45:32 GMT
I don't know why you think that it is value of the land that is is holding things up...
The original deal brokered by the old board included purchasing the land that the stadium would sit on. The agreed price was £1.1m per acre. That was a contractually agreed price and to my knowledge cannot be fluctuated either way based upon market value.
So there's some other hold up on the commercial side.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 18:50:18 GMT
I thought only one left. Thought the one that worked on Wembley was still here??? I'm not sure but was under the impression he was the one that had left Lee Atkins was the director appointed to oversea the UWE deal and stood-down in November 2016 because the job was taking up more of his time than anticipated he is an accountant/ finance /investment man. Michael Cunnah was the guy involved at Wembly But he was an adviser on the stadium an never a director ...he's an adviser on stadium developments and has worked for several clubs and I don't know if he is still engaged on the UWE project. He operates through a company Stadium Management Systems Ltd and is also chair of iSportconnect.com
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Post by bluegashead on Jan 21, 2017 18:55:23 GMT
Without waisting 20 minutes out of my life reading the whole thread, can someone please tell me what he said, is the UWE being built or what?
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Post by markczgas on Jan 21, 2017 19:47:55 GMT
Without waisting 20 minutes out of my life reading the whole thread, can someone please tell me what he said, is the UWE being built or what? It doesn't sound optimistic - Hamer was very defensive and evasive, saying things that "he is constantly being asked questions about UWE" when in fact Geoff T rightly said that the club had been quiet for several months. Hamer was continually pressed to say what the issues were with regards to the delay - no agreement , no start to the build. He didn't give an answer !! Then when Geoff asked how close were we to getting the deal done by August (when planning permission would be up) he again didn't want to give any indication !!! I thought Geoff T was excellent in his probing - not being malicious or asking anything that should have been unanswerable question. Hamer really really disappointed me - not answering questions, being defensive and evasive - he's gone down massively in my estimations. The only ray of light is that the training ground will be ours from this Feb - but even then Hamer said stuff that didn't really spark great enthusiasm - that there is a team that will still be playing there till May, that maybe the first team might start using it on occasion in July. When Geoff T asked him to outline what the plans would be for the plot - Hamer instead of outlining how many pitches and what kind of facilities would be provided went on about some stuff that seemed of little interest to us Rovers supporters. Sorry a very deflating day in my view. UTG !
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 19:56:42 GMT
Without waisting 20 minutes out of my life reading the whole thread, can someone please tell me what he said, is the UWE being built or what? It doesn't sound optimistic - Hamer was very defensive and evasive, saying things that "he is constantly being asked questions about UWE" when in fact Geoff T rightly said that the club had been quiet for several months. Hamer was continually pressed to say what the issues were with regards to the delay - no agreement , no start to the build. He didn't give an answer !! Then when Geoff asked how close were we to getting the deal done by August (when planning permission would be up) he again didn't want to give any indication !!! I thought Geoff T was excellent in his probing - not being malicious or asking anything that should have been unanswerable question. Hamer really really disappointed me - not answering questions, being defensive and evasive - he's gone down massively in my estimations. The only ray of light is that the training ground will be ours from this Feb - but even then Hamer said stuff that didn't really spark great enthusiasm - that there is a team that will still be playing there till May, that maybe the first team might start using it on occasion in July. When Geoff T asked him to outline what the plans would be for the plot - Hamer instead of outlining how many pitches and what kind of facilities would be provided went on about some stuff that seemed of little interest to us Rovers supporters. Sorry a very deflating day in my view. UTG ! now I'm confused 😩
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Jan 21, 2017 20:16:00 GMT
Talk is cheap. Actions always speak louder than words, all of the actions over the last 6 months, starting with the guys we appointed to deliver the project leaving, radio silence since and now this evasive interview tell us what is really going on.
UWE is probably dead and that might actually mean that the grand plans and enthusiasm of our new owners could also be dying too.
Brace yourself folks for the next downturn on the Rollercoaster that is supporting Bristol Rovers!
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Post by markczgas on Jan 21, 2017 20:28:09 GMT
Talk is cheap. Actions always speak louder than words, all of the actions over the last 6 months, starting with the guys we appointed to deliver the project leaving, radio silence since and now this evasive interview tell us what is really going on. UWE is probably dead and that might actually mean that the grand plans and enthusiasm of our new owners could also be dying too. Brace yourself folks for the next downturn on the Rollercoaster coaster that is supporting Bristol Rovers! It really pains me to say it - but that is exactly what I felt, heard and smelt. The stadium dream is like having to drag round a F%CKING ball and chain for us Gasheads !
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