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Post by stuart1974 on May 11, 2017 19:27:21 GMT
All paid for by raising Corporation Tax. What the Left don't realise (or don't want to realise) is that companies don't pay tax, people do. If CT is increased then profits are lower meaning that investment, pension funds, future expansion, jobs and wages are affected. Incidentally, Nobby, why the Diane Abbot reference the other day? You've hit the nail on the head. Companies do not pay Corporation Tax. Higher Corporation tax means less for the shareholders. Less investment in tools/training etc. This can only lead to lower productivity which means lower wages. If profits are low, then the employee will probably not get a pay rise, whereas if the profits are high enough, then they probably will. The DA reference was just because you mentioned something with a number in it..........It was just harking back to her performance on the radio regarding Police numbers and costs. No offence intended! Ah, the 200 years thing. No, no offence taken. You are spot on about the economics, come the revolution you can be my Chancellor |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 20:05:20 GMT
All paid for by raising Corporation Tax. What the Left don't realise (or don't want to realise) is that companies don't pay tax, people do. If CT is increased then profits are lower meaning that investment, pension funds, future expansion, jobs and wages are affected. Incidentally, Nobby, why the Diane Abbot reference the other day? You've hit the nail on the head. Companies do not pay Corporation Tax. Higher Corporation tax means less for the shareholders. Less investment in tools/training etc. This can only lead to lower productivity which means lower wages. If profits are low, then the employee will probably not get a pay rise, whereas if the profits are high enough, then they probably will. The DA reference was just because you mentioned something with a number in it..........It was just harking back to her performance on the radio regarding Police numbers and costs. No offence intended! At the same time, 'trickle down economics' is a lovely theory which has been advocated for 30 years and doesn't work in practice. The concept that everyone gets a nice pay rise when profits are up is ignoring reality. Look at real wage growth against economic growth here since the crash, look at the precarious nature of ZHC jobs - the theory is nice but it doesn't work. The UK has the lowest corporation tax rate in the G7, and will do so if Labour win next month. Those are the major players. If businesses want to move to countries with ultra-low levels of CT, they will do/have done regardless. Ireland - with single market access - 12%, *cough* the Cayman Islands *cough* 0%. As it is, very generous corporation tax cuts (and many other freebies) get dished out, yet living standards for many do not improve. People forget that happy and stable workers tend to consume more. |
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Post by William Wilson on May 14, 2017 7:21:39 GMT
Diane Abbott has suggested New Bank Holiday dates if Labour win the election. 30th Feb 63rd of April 72nd of May And 45th of August It`s not so much her ignorance that bothers me. It`s her hypocrisy. Claims to espouse the "values" of the left wing of the Labour party, but sent her own child to a fee paying school. She`d have been very much at home in the Soviet politburo of the 1930s, pondering how much of their own grain the Ukrainians should be allowed to keep. |
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Post by stuart1974 on May 15, 2017 9:07:41 GMT
You've hit the nail on the head. Companies do not pay Corporation Tax. Higher Corporation tax means less for the shareholders. Less investment in tools/training etc. This can only lead to lower productivity which means lower wages. If profits are low, then the employee will probably not get a pay rise, whereas if the profits are high enough, then they probably will. The DA reference was just because you mentioned something with a number in it..........It was just harking back to her performance on the radio regarding Police numbers and costs. No offence intended! At the same time, 'trickle down economics' is a lovely theory which has been advocated for 30 years and doesn't work in practice. The concept that everyone gets a nice pay rise when profits are up is ignoring reality. Look at real wage growth against economic growth here since the crash, look at the precarious nature of ZHC jobs - the theory is nice but it doesn't work. The UK has the lowest corporation tax rate in the G7, and will do so if Labour win next month. Those are the major players. If businesses want to move to countries with ultra-low levels of CT, they will do/have done regardless. Ireland - with single market access - 12%, *cough* the Cayman Islands *cough* 0%. As it is, very generous corporation tax cuts (and many other freebies) get dished out, yet living standards for many do not improve. People forget that happy and stable workers tend to consume more. Trickle down economics has been championed for a lot longer than 30years and my understanding is that it was aimed at individuals rather than establishments. I certainly wouldn't class CT as an example. ZHC from what I have read has their place especially amongst younger or professional people, but are not good in general. They have gone too far but neither is an outright ban as helpful as it may sound. Labour are proposing CT to go to 26%, although CT is not the defining reason why companies move or invest. It also needs to account for labour, skilled or otherwise and the restrictions in 'hiring and firing'. Agree with your last point about happy and stable workers being better consumers. Much of which is on credit, though. All fine when interest rates are low and people have equity in their house. It is almost like government is deliberately not building houses in sufficient numbers to keep prices artificially high (only slightly tongue in cheek there). |
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Post by peterparker on May 16, 2017 10:15:53 GMT
So the Labour manifesto is out
Extra tax take in total £48.6bn
• Income tax rate 45p on £80,000 and above; 50p to be reintroduced above £123,000 earnings
• £6.4bn to be raised from income tax from the top 5%
• Extra £19.4bn from higher corporation tax
• £6.5bn from tax avoidance programme
Going to renationalise everything.
Oh and the money we don't raise we are going to borrow. lol
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2017 12:03:34 GMT
ZHC from what I have read has their place especially amongst younger or professional people, but are not good in general. They have gone too far but neither is an outright ban as helpful as it may sound. Agree with your last point about happy and stable workers being better consumers. Much of which is on credit, though. All fine when interest rates are low and people have equity in their house. It is almost like government is deliberately not building houses in sufficient numbers to keep prices artificially high (only slightly tongue in cheek there). ZHC jobs are absolutely everywhere for low paid jobs at the moment, and there's been a bit of a lie told that they are all taken up by students or people who want them. If that was the case employers would give employees the right to choose. The insecurity of them - particularly when the time comes for businesses to lay workers (not employees) off - can't help anybody's consumer confidence. The credit stuff I agree is a bubble waiting to burst, probably another side effect of stagnant wages. So the Labour manifesto is out Extra tax take in total £48.6bn • Income tax rate 45p on £80,000 and above; 50p to be reintroduced above £123,000 earnings • £6.4bn to be raised from income tax from the top 5% • Extra £19.4bn from higher corporation tax • £6.5bn from tax avoidance programme Going to renationalise everything. Oh and the money we don't raise we are going to borrow. lol Nice to see a costed manifesto though - I'm sure Theresa May will do the same when she's writing her own one in full at some point in the next month. Re: nationalisation, I have total faith that the UK can run its own utilities and services, just like East Coast Rail raised £1bn for the treasury before it was privatised recently. Other people seem intent on talking the country down, and outsourcing everything. |
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Post by peterparker on May 16, 2017 12:21:29 GMT
ZHC from what I have read has their place especially amongst younger or professional people, but are not good in general. They have gone too far but neither is an outright ban as helpful as it may sound. Agree with your last point about happy and stable workers being better consumers. Much of which is on credit, though. All fine when interest rates are low and people have equity in their house. It is almost like government is deliberately not building houses in sufficient numbers to keep prices artificially high (only slightly tongue in cheek there). ZHC jobs are absolutely everywhere for low paid jobs at the moment, and there's been a bit of a lie told that they are all taken up by students or people who want them. If that was the case employers would give employees the right to choose. The insecurity of them - particularly when the time comes for businesses to lay workers (not employees) off - can't help anybody's consumer confidence. The credit stuff I agree is a bubble waiting to burst, probably another side effect of stagnant wages. So the Labour manifesto is out Extra tax take in total £48.6bn • Income tax rate 45p on £80,000 and above; 50p to be reintroduced above £123,000 earnings • £6.4bn to be raised from income tax from the top 5% • Extra £19.4bn from higher corporation tax • £6.5bn from tax avoidance programme Going to renationalise everything. Oh and the money we don't raise we are going to borrow. lol Nice to see a costed manifesto though - I'm sure Theresa May will do the same when she's writing her own one in full at some point in the next month. Re: nationalisation, I have total faith that the UK can run its own utilities and services, just like East Coast Rail raised £1bn for the treasury before it was privatised recently. Other people seem intent on talking the country down, and outsourcing everything.
It's not that some of Labour's polices aren't interesting but the scale of things they propose I don't see how they can fund it all costing's or not (after all they can only estimate how much Tax take they will receive) Re-Nationalising everything is one thing, but what happens over the longer term when things need constant investment and innovation and that dreaded word for Unions EFFICIENCES, I am not against Nationalising certain things, but at the same time, Labour under Corby are very much in the anti-captalist camp. Not all privatisation is bad, but it needs to be regulated. As a voter I would sit myself between the current guise of The Conservatives and Labour. The Centre ground, but what party is there in the centre ground now?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on May 17, 2017 15:06:10 GMT
ZHC jobs are absolutely everywhere for low paid jobs at the moment, and there's been a bit of a lie told that they are all taken up by students or people who want them. If that was the case employers would give employees the right to choose. The insecurity of them - particularly when the time comes for businesses to lay workers (not employees) off - can't help anybody's consumer confidence. The credit stuff I agree is a bubble waiting to burst, probably another side effect of stagnant wages. Nice to see a costed manifesto though - I'm sure Theresa May will do the same when she's writing her own one in full at some point in the next month. Re: nationalisation, I have total faith that the UK can run its own utilities and services, just like East Coast Rail raised £1bn for the treasury before it was privatised recently. Other people seem intent on talking the country down, and outsourcing everything.
It's not that some of Labour's polices aren't interesting but the scale of things they propose I don't see how they can fund it all costing's or not (after all they can only estimate how much Tax take they will receive) Re-Nationalising everything is one thing, but what happens over the longer term when things need constant investment and innovation and that dreaded word for Unions EFFICIENCES, I am not against Nationalising certain things, but at the same time, Labour under Corby are very much in the anti-captalist camp. Not all privatisation is bad, but it needs to be regulated. As a voter I would sit myself between the current guise of The Conservatives and Labour. The Centre ground, but what party is there in the centre ground now?
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Post by peterparker on May 17, 2017 15:44:25 GMT
It's not that some of Labour's polices aren't interesting but the scale of things they propose I don't see how they can fund it all costing's or not (after all they can only estimate how much Tax take they will receive) Re-Nationalising everything is one thing, but what happens over the longer term when things need constant investment and innovation and that dreaded word for Unions EFFICIENCES, I am not against Nationalising certain things, but at the same time, Labour under Corby are very much in the anti-captalist camp. Not all privatisation is bad, but it needs to be regulated. As a voter I would sit myself between the current guise of The Conservatives and Labour. The Centre ground, but what party is there in the centre ground now?
Hence my inability/unwillingness to vote this time round. Got to say I am stuck what to do and am seriously considering not voting and that is something I don't really want to do, but I don't see who represents me or has policies that I can relate to.
I am anti-brexit and only the Lib Dems offer anything of substance on that matter, but they are a bit wishy-washy at the moment. I am a swing voter and no one appeals to me, or really represents anything close to me
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Post by Hugo the Elder on May 17, 2017 15:50:36 GMT
Hence my inability/unwillingness to vote this time round. Got to say I am stuck what to do and am seriously considering not voting and that is something I don't really want to do, but I don't see who represents me or has policies that I can relate to.
I am anti-brexit and only the Lib Dems offer anything of substance on that matter, but they are a bit wishy-washy at the moment. I am a swing voter and no one appeals to me, or really represents anything close to me
In the last election I wrote "none of the above" on it. They count spoiled votes so at least I registered that I'm engaged but have no options. I'll probably look at what my options are if there is an independent candidate. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 16:43:26 GMT
As a kid, when Doctor Who came on I used to hide behind the sofa and peek around the corner at the tele...terrified.
I find that I am now 57, and I've started to do the same thing whenever someone from Labour comes onto the tele to attempt to explain their Manifesto and how they're going to pay for it.
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Post by stuart1974 on May 17, 2017 18:45:54 GMT
Hence my inability/unwillingness to vote this time round. Got to say I am stuck what to do and am seriously considering not voting and that is something I don't really want to do, but I don't see who represents me or has policies that I can relate to.
I am anti-brexit and only the Lib Dems offer anything of substance on that matter, but they are a bit wishy-washy at the moment. I am a swing voter and no one appeals to me, or really represents anything close to me
You seem very similar to me, I am struggling this time too. I'll probably go for the 'closest' candidate policy wise, but would recommend either spoiling or going for an independent if you have one. In the recent French election there was an option to send a nil return which got counted officially, it's about time we had a none of the above option as it would keep them on their toes. |
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Post by stuart1974 on May 17, 2017 18:50:31 GMT
As a kid, when Doctor Who came on I used to hide behind the sofa and peek around the corner at the tele...terrified. I find that I am now 57, and I've started to do the same thing whenever someone from Labour comes onto the tele to attempt to explain their Manifesto and how they're going to pay for it. I was fine with Dr Who, it was the Incredible Hulk which I didn't like. With regards to the a Labour manifesto, I saw it has more humorous than scary so they are unlikely to get in. It is the Conservative one due out tomorrow which could be scary as they are the ones most likely to have to implement it. That said, there is a school of thought that TM will publish a fairly short one without too much detail so she is not a hostage to fortune like they have been with the last one. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 19:16:28 GMT
As a kid, when Doctor Who came on I used to hide behind the sofa and peek around the corner at the tele...terrified. I find that I am now 57, and I've started to do the same thing whenever someone from Labour comes onto the tele to attempt to explain their Manifesto and how they're going to pay for it. I was fine with Dr Who, it was the Incredible Hulk which I didn't like. With regards to the a Labour manifesto, I saw it has more humorous than scary so they are unlikely to get in. It is the Conservative one due out tomorrow which could be scary as they are the ones most likely to have to implement it. That said, there is a school of thought that TM will publish a fairly short one without too much detail so she is not a hostage to fortune like they have been with the last one. Realistically, the Tories don't really have to say much. |
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Post by stuart1974 on May 17, 2017 19:31:17 GMT
I was fine with Dr Who, it was the Incredible Hulk which I didn't like. With regards to the a Labour manifesto, I saw it has more humorous than scary so they are unlikely to get in. It is the Conservative one due out tomorrow which could be scary as they are the ones most likely to have to implement it. That said, there is a school of thought that TM will publish a fairly short one without too much detail so she is not a hostage to fortune like they have been with the last one. Realistically, the Tories don't really have to say much. Comes to something when the best tactic to win an election is to let the opposition do all the talking. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on May 18, 2017 8:23:00 GMT
I was fine with Dr Who, it was the Incredible Hulk which I didn't like. With regards to the a Labour manifesto, I saw it has more humorous than scary so they are unlikely to get in. It is the Conservative one due out tomorrow which could be scary as they are the ones most likely to have to implement it. That said, there is a school of thought that TM will publish a fairly short one without too much detail so she is not a hostage to fortune like they have been with the last one. Realistically, the Tories don't really have to say much. That's a very bad thing regardless of your political persuasion. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 10:04:39 GMT
Realistically, the Tories don't really have to say much. That's a very bad thing regardless of your political persuasion. Ronan Keating (rock legend), "you say it best, when you say nothing at all". |
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Post by inee on May 18, 2017 21:09:11 GMT
You've hit the nail on the head. Companies do not pay Corporation Tax. Higher Corporation tax means less for the shareholders. Less investment in tools/training etc. This can only lead to lower productivity which means lower wages. If profits are low, then the employee will probably not get a pay rise, whereas if the profits are high enough, then they probably will. The DA reference was just because you mentioned something with a number in it..........It was just harking back to her performance on the radio regarding Police numbers and costs. No offence intended! Ah, the 200 years thing. No, no offence taken. You are spot on about the economics, come the revolution you can be my Chancellor Can i be your chief security round em all up n shoot em guy |
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Post by inee on May 18, 2017 21:18:57 GMT
Listen to this interview with Dianne Abbott. Remember, she is the Shadow Home Secretary. She will be installed as the Home Secretary if Labour win. This is pure comedy gold.......but on the other hand, it is really worrying that somebody this incompetent should be considered for one of the great offices of State. Dianne Abbott Police car crash interviewIt's not comedy it's a f**king disgrace. This is literally the state of everything in this country now. No one actually bothers to study anything, learn anything or prepare for anything because they think the only thing that matters is the 140 characters on Twitter. She's had six months to prep this policy. She's had two weeks to perfect her pitch as part of the Labour campaign this is frightening that she is so sh**. If we can't expect the shadow Home Secretary to be prepared or give a sh** about their job what f**king hope of our teenagers got? f**k all because all anyone cares about in schools now is what gender can go in what f**king toilets. I've said similar before on one of the brexit threads ,schools put too much emphasis on computers ,whilst forgetting to teach kids how to think for themselves and use their hands ,how to find information without the aid of computerts ,need to go back to the traditional things ie sewing cooking metalwork woodwork technical drawing etc ,as if people can use their hands whilst using their brains then theres a whole world of opportunities for different jobs, things like RE have no placed in this world and should not be compulsory, the extra time could be used on maths, as maths is one of the most important things to learn as an example i use fractions weekly |
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Post by inee on May 18, 2017 21:25:44 GMT
It's not that some of Labour's polices aren't interesting but the scale of things they propose I don't see how they can fund it all costing's or not (after all they can only estimate how much Tax take they will receive) Re-Nationalising everything is one thing, but what happens over the longer term when things need constant investment and innovation and that dreaded word for Unions EFFICIENCES, I am not against Nationalising certain things, but at the same time, Labour under Corby are very much in the anti-captalist camp. Not all privatisation is bad, but it needs to be regulated. As a voter I would sit myself between the current guise of The Conservatives and Labour. The Centre ground, but what party is there in the centre ground now?
Hence my inability/unwillingness to vote this time round. Thing is the lib/dems come up with a no brainer for me then ruin it by saying they will have another referendum on europe. They said they would finally legalise cannabis allow people to grow a plant a year would have got my vote ,but then they get f**kin stupid by saying they would stop brexit and have another referendum (Bastids) |
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