Charlotte Leslie

Name him?

Put simply i believe ordinary people are all people except the very wealthy.
I believe a labour party following its founding principles stand up for such people.
I believe tony blair and his cronies badly let down the labour movement.

Someone without acres of land and who doesn't enjoy fox hunting. Gets up goes to work and cares about others and the world they live in.

If you read the "f off" post again its clearly not a serious post by me.
There is a lot of greed among many of the wealthy imo and the wealth gap has widened considerably in recent times.
How many millions does anyone need and how many houses?
meanwhile we now have food banks and people living in squalor at the mercy of greedy landlords.
Social housing,proper work contracts,good education for all and decent health care for everybody is what i have had in my life and i was able to get a mortgage.
Under this regime and the blair labour one those things are slipping away from ordinary people while the  under taxed elite have enjoyed many years of tax cuts.
Take the fire in london,a private company puts in the lowest tender to win the contract and then spends as little as possible on the tower block to maximise profits which has obviously played a part in the disaster and this cycle is repeated over and over again with less serous outcomes.
The wind of change is blowing and either the conservative goverment will make lots of compromises to placate people or labour will sweep to power in the next election.

I will try to answer a few of those.

Sorry but there a lot of greed everywhere not just among the wealthy ,how many people do you know or see sporting the latest fashions or phones ,how many people do you see on the breadline wearing stupidly expensive trainers or decking their kids out in expensive clothes ,it's up to them however i will not sympathise with them when they cant pay their bills. There has always been a gap between rich and poor always will be

People can have as many millions as they want ,do you also begrudge those say on here who set up a company struggled like fu ck then become successful , although i do agree about people owning loads of housing

Food banks some people need it others abuse it ,sorry but if you drive to the food bank or are sporting the latest iphone then your priorities are wrong , i have used a food bank on one occasion and that was my own fault as after our daughter died things went tits up for a while.

Greedy landlords and squalour ,yes but it's the fault of local authorities if they collectively said from next week we will only pay £100 p/w for housing benefits ,then it wouldn't take long for rents to drop ,or look at it another way if the powers that be said  ok if your a landlord and you charge £100 p/w for a property it will be tax free on one property only , if you charge over £100 p/w then we will tax your rent earnings 60% rents will soon drop, if local authorities really cared about squalour they would condemn that property or buy it under compulsory purchase but they dont do they ?

social housing ,you mean council housing surely the blame lays squarely at the door of labour and conservative governments , the building of council houses initially slowed down under a labour government ,and a lot were shitehole even then.
Job security that hasn't been around for a long long time, the rot set in under callaghan ,the unions got way to powerful so a lot of companies said stuff it and theres been a decline since then , lets face it if you owned a company and everyone went on strike because a moth farted in the amazon ,would you in all honesty have any feelings of loyalty to your employees, again as workers got more and more stupid rights ,why would you offer people good contracts ,ffs blokes get time off now if they have a kid what the hell is that about , companies can no longer employ who is best for the job but have to fit in with quotas , 

There's nothing wrong with education ,what is wrong is schools can no longer chuck out the idiots, all it takes is one twat per class to ruin the education of many ,unfortunately lots of kids can't be arsed to learn and their parents allow them to get away with it , as for uni education i think if you want it pay for it ,why should it be free a secondary education is enough to secure a job, the thing is so many people go to uni now that the qualifications they gain are no longer deemed exceptional by companies .
health care is still decent in this country , i receive first class treatment from my gp to hospital visits , a lot depends on your gp ,mine is very pro active in the way he treats people , obviously others experiences will be different but i can only speak on what i find , Ann Marie Irene had first class health care whilst she was with us.

Ok you have a mortgage is you house ex council or a private build ,the problem in the housing market is again one of greed ,say you paid 50k for your house 20 years ago ,do you think it's justified to resell your house at today's prices or should you resell at the purchase price , i have never been able to get my head around housing prices as i look at property as just somewhere to kip at night and can't fathom how something you paid a low price for is now worth so much.

to be fair it goes beyond this and blairs government, the rot set in during the 70's and we have never recovered ,it's like i said before it goes in circles.

Please lets not politicise the fire until the facts are known , lets discuss that when facts become available as it's easy to blame one government when another was aware of the safety aspects

Go and tell the victims and residents your opinions on the fire.
Lots of damning facts are already known about the fire and its a bloody disgrace.
And the prime ministers feeble response to it and her failure to meet the residents asap will haunt her.
If this tragic fire isnt a political issue then nothing at all is!

As i said this is not the time nor place for that discussion , start another thread 
 

You are quite correct, however i will not be drawn into a discussion on that in this thread ,you posed a question and i responded to that and it seems the only thing you could counter with was that ,so if my response offends you the tough ,imo i feel it would be an injustice to discuss something of that magnitude in this thread just my opinion ,so are you going to reply to the other points made in the reply to you

Its a safety issue. A construction regs issue.
An accident. A shame. The political bit is pure media BS which you have clearly fallen for.

I have changed my stance now aswell. The minute people think it's ok to vent at the PM or the Royal Family(apparently). Imo, they can get to chuff.

There wasn't rioting after any of the incidents recently? Families of the kids murdered in Manchester didn't hunt for revenge.

Since so many of these victims are of a religious mindset. Maybe this was God's work?