Charlotte Leslie

If people are returning 'home', then that is nothing to do with Brexit! That is their own personal decision. Nothing to do with Brexit at all.

Me n wend have had to rely on the nhs for treatment and monitoring Ann Marie Irene when she was alive, that treatment was nothing short of fantastic ,they went above and beyond what i expected for free.


I was in and out of hospital a short while back (damn bastids aliens probed me in places i didn't know existed) ,staff were friendly(i'm not the easiest person to deal with when i'm ill or coming out of an anesthetic) ,food was good ,room was clean etc ,what more could they have done.

I feel that peoples expectations are to high ,not only do some want treatment but no matter how well that treatments delivered seem to want to be treated as if they are in a 5 star hotel (dont beat me over the head as i realise that some treatments aren't funded ,and some joke surgeries are) .

The blame can't be leveled just at politicians as no matter how much money is given to the nhs more will be required as people get used to the higher standards of care and expect more next time.
The blame lays from the top down ,how many fucknuggets do you see with a scratch or a cold waiting to be seen to bypass a visit to the docs ,how many put their greed before their health as they won't visit docs during the day (time off work) but would rather sit in a&e for hours on end costing more. 
Another thing worth mentioning is the advancement of treatments and diagnosis ,in some instances you can be in and diagnosed within a day or two ,so i suspect some people see this as a failing ,as in been having this problem for years but the hospital vet diagnosed me within an hour etc


Access to hospital services depends a lot on your  GP if they are old school you tend to get sent to hospital only if accompanied by both of your great ,great great grandparents ,if you have a more modern pro active GP they see the benefit of getting your treated sooner rather than later ,which in turn saves money.


you don't tend to see the contracted out services but they are there ,property maintenance is farmed out ,equipment servicing and repair is also mostly contracted out ,it used to be in house a lot of the time ,but since electronics has got more board based ,it's cheaper to get the equipment manufacturer in to do repairs ,it also ensures that the majority of equipment is in A1 condition as oem engineers tend to see a set of products regularly so tend to know things like the life cycle of products what fails and doesn't fail etc, cleaning also tends to be farmed out thats one i disagree with as they take shortcuts, whedreas in the old days the cleaners had to answer to the matron if thing weren't right .

The other big thing is bugs and viruses tend to get more resistant to medication ,no amount of cleaning can help until a product is found to fight em.

So whilst some seem to want more than the nhs can offer ,in the main im well please with the treatment my family have received over the years

 

They are leaving the UK to return to Europe.

Applications for vacant nursing positions from EU nurses is down 97% post Brexit and 1 in every 7 nursing vacancies are currently unfilled.

A hypothetical example, Mr Butterfly.   Suppose you are a patient at an NHS dental practice, and you have to pay for your treatment because you have a job, whereas nearly everybody else there gets their treatment free because they don`t work.  Would you think that was "wonderful", or would you be rather watered off about it?  Perhaps a few seconds reflection needed here.

They are leaving the UK to return to Europe.

Applications for vacant nursing positions from EU nurses is down 97% post Brexit and 1 in every 7 nursing vacancies are currently unfilled.

I didn't say there was a high number of applications before Brexit, I said there is a drop in them post Brexit. 2 different things.

Without wishing to be patronising its simple maths.

If there are 100 vacancies and for arguments sake, 50 EU dwellers were applying and no UK nurses being trained then there is a short fall. Of 50 nurses.

If the number of EU applicants drops by 97% then there are now only 2 nurses applying leaving a short fall of 98 nurses.

Either way there were always more vacancies than applicants.

Settled EU nationals who have citizenship is completely different to our ability to attract new migrant workers. I see no contradiction in that.

A hypothetical example, Mr Butterfly.   Suppose you are a patient at an NHS dental practice, and you have to pay for your treatment because you have a job, whereas nearly everybody else there gets their treatment free because they don`t work.  Would you think that was "wonderful", or would you be rather watered off about it?  Perhaps a few seconds reflection needed here.

I know your well meaning with your lengthy arguments but we are so opposed in our views its futile conversing,its like a city fan explaining why i should abandon rovers.
Socialism never works?? 
The post war atlee goverment built many wonderful council houses for working class people and formed the national health service and the welfare state,no conservative goverment can get anywhere near that.
The wilson goverment were until near the end of his career a successful one.
In france they have had many years of socialist goverment since the war.
Good luck following the the greedy conservatives but i will always support the hope for a better and fairer system than a tiny minority of wealthy people getting ever richer at mine and my childrens expense.

Thanks Hugo. 
I'm ok with math mate and a drop in applications does not mean there is a shortfall in nurses! 
Your example assumes that each vacancy attracts an applicant, which of course it doesn't.(appreciate you were simplifying it but it's unlikely that there will be less applications than vacancies tbf)

The beauty of the UK is that once we get a grip of Europe, we have an abundance of talent that can be tapped into from relationships with other countries and former Commonwealth. There will be plenty of interested and keen candidates from Asian and African nations whilst the links are already there with plenty of Indians, Philipinos etc in NHS slots.