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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 11:39:10 GMT
Socialism is a lovely idea but sadly I agree that it hasn't ever, and won't ever work. Pigs just like wearing clothes too much. Erm wendy said you wait :lmao: nothing to do with socialism or free markets. Its about coherent and competent administration. The rest is just 19th century twaddle. |
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Post by inee on Jun 21, 2017 11:42:14 GMT
A hypothetical example, Mr Butterfly. Suppose you are a patient at an NHS dental practice, and you have to pay for your treatment because you have a job, whereas nearly everybody else there gets their treatment free because they don`t work. Would you think that was "wonderful", or would you be rather watered off about it? Perhaps a few seconds reflection needed here. Nobody likes benefit cheats william,there is even a popular show called benefit street or something but no tv show called tax evader street where a fly on the wall looks at scumbag millionaires avoiding paying tax and laughing at the little people paying their dues while they put there money in off shore accounts. That would be good tv Hold up ,not everyone on benefits cheat, however a few stretch the system ,i would be interested to know your views on the cutting of workers tax credit ,the new family allowance rules do you think it's fair , should eu migrants get money from the dole for their children abroad. Should people arriving on these shore get help at the expense of those living here who have paid taxes. Unfortunately if you look at Corbyn and those around him's politics then if he gets in it wont be long that the only option we have is to put our heads between our knees and kiss our arses goobye, his girlfriend is unbekievably dangerouys to anyone who lives here ,as mad as a box of frogs ,a cry baby who conveniently backs out of votes or campaigns that are above here intelect by feigning illness ,as well as saying everybody's picking on me |
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Post by baggins on Jun 21, 2017 12:40:56 GMT
Nobody likes benefit cheats william,there is even a popular show called benefit street or something but no tv show called tax evader street where a fly on the wall looks at scumbag millionaires avoiding paying tax and laughing at the little people paying their dues while they put there money in off shore accounts. That would be good tv Hold up ,not everyone on benefits cheat, however a few stretch the system ,i would be interested to know your views on the cutting of workers tax credit ,the new family allowance rules do you think it's fair , should eu migrants get money from the dole for their children abroad. Should people arriving on these shore get help at the expense of those living here who have paid taxes. Unfortunately if you look at Corbyn and those around him's politics then if he gets in it wont be long that the only option we have is to put our heads between our knees and kiss our arses goobye, his girlfriend is unbekievably dangerouys to anyone who lives here ,as mad as a box of frogs ,a cry baby who conveniently backs out of votes or campaigns that are above here intelect by feigning illness ,as well as saying everybody's picking on me Thank goodness the Tories are in Govt to stop all the scounging immigrants. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 21, 2017 13:15:44 GMT
Erm wendy said you wait :lmao: nothing to do with socialism or free markets. Its about coherent and competent administration. The rest is just 19th century twaddle. Hence the Animal Farm reference. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 17:24:48 GMT
nothing to do with socialism or free markets. Its about coherent and competent administration. The rest is just 19th century twaddle. Hence the Animal Farm reference. Precisely When will the ultras learn? |
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Post by aghast on Jun 21, 2017 19:28:58 GMT
It used to be so calm here on General Chat politics.
"Tories good, everyone else bad. Especially Labour."
Now look what happens when you let a thread run for a few days in the main forum.
All sorts of dissenting views creep in, and continue to do so.
Who'd have thunk it?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 20:22:23 GMT
It used to be so calm here on General Chat politics. "Tories good, everyone else bad. Especially Labour."Now look what happens when you let a thread run for a few days in the main forum. All sorts of dissenting views creep in, and continue to do so. Who'd have thunk it? Nothings changed. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 21, 2017 20:26:14 GMT
It used to be so calm here on General Chat politics. "Tories good, everyone else bad. Especially Labour." Now look what happens when you let a thread run for a few days in the main forum. All sorts of dissenting views creep in, and continue to do so. Who'd have thunk it? Don't worry, its OK. Brexit made no difference. The tories said so. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 20:57:21 GMT
It used to be so calm here on General Chat politics. "Tories good, everyone else bad. Especially Labour." Now look what happens when you let a thread run for a few days in the main forum. All sorts of dissenting views creep in, and continue to do so. Who'd have thunk it? Don't worry, its OK. Brexit made no difference. The tories said so. Brexit hasn't happened yet. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 21, 2017 21:02:23 GMT
Don't worry, its OK. Brexit made no difference. The tories said so. Brexit hasn't happened yet. That is true, but the effects of the vote to leave have. |
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Post by aghast on Jun 21, 2017 21:04:43 GMT
It used to be so calm here on General Chat politics. "Tories good, everyone else bad. Especially Labour."Now look what happens when you let a thread run for a few days in the main forum. All sorts of dissenting views creep in, and continue to do so. Who'd have thunk it? Nothings changed. Perhaps not in your world. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 21, 2017 21:08:40 GMT
I think I'm going to stop coming to general chat. I no longer get the pleasure from it that I once did.
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Post by aghast on Jun 21, 2017 21:49:07 GMT
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Post by faggotygas on Jun 22, 2017 15:52:26 GMT
1. They didn't. They followed it all of the time. The debt was reduced in real terms during the good times.
2. So you are saying that if you have done the wrong thing, you should continue doing the wrong thing regardless?
To simplify...... Good times - reduce spending, reduce taxation, reduce debt. Bad times - increase spending, increase taxation, increase debt. Fiscal stimulus. Labour - good times - increased spending, increased taxation, increased debt. Labour - bad times - no fiscal stimulus available. There was nothing left. But if haven't done the first part, you cannot achieve the second part. Nothing left? We are a sovereign nation with a sovereign currency. QE escape your notice? We also can issue debt at crazy low, low prices at the moment |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 16:39:32 GMT
QE does not increase government spending.
The Chief Secretary to the Treasury did in fact leave a note when Labour were kicked out. I do believe it said something like, "Sorry, but we've spent all the money. There is nothing left".......or words to that effect.
You have to stop issuing debt at some point. Are you aware that at the moment, the interest alone that we pay on our current debt is more than we spend on Defence and Education combined!
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Post by faggotygas on Jun 22, 2017 18:41:27 GMT
Put simply i believe ordinary people are all people except the very wealthy. I believe a labour party following its founding principles stand up for such people. I believe tony blair and his cronies badly let down the labour movement.Ok so if you read my list the items before bLair was mentioned were things that pre bLair labour government did ,which were if im correct labour governments running labour principles ,again according to your posting i am an ordinary person who should f**k off and not watch rovers any more  There are lots of well off labour mp's and supporters ,what is wrong with being wealthy ,i struggle to make ends meet ,however i'm happy with my lot and don't begrudge anyone their wealth. Can you imagine the chaos it would cause if those extremely well off people refused to spend a penny for a few weeks Economically, excessive concentration of wealth is a problem. There is only so much money that an individual can spend, meaning that money gets taken out of useful circulation and simply inflates asset prices, such as London housing. When the system isn't working properly, it's for governments the intervene for the greater good of the nation. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 18:53:06 GMT
Ok so if you read my list the items before bLair was mentioned were things that pre bLair labour government did ,which were if im correct labour governments running labour principles ,again according to your posting i am an ordinary person who should f**k off and not watch rovers any more There are lots of well off labour mp's and supporters ,what is wrong with being wealthy ,i struggle to make ends meet ,however i'm happy with my lot and don't begrudge anyone their wealth. Can you imagine the chaos it would cause if those extremely well off people refused to spend a penny for a few weeks Economically, excessive concentration of wealth is a problem. There is only so much money that an individual can spend, meaning that money gets taken out of useful circulation and simply inflates asset prices, such as London housing. When the system isn't working properly, it's for governments the intervene for the greater good of the nation.You mean like Mao did in China, or Stalin in Russia, or should we look at a more recent version of these methods you claim to be good, like Venezuela? How are things going over there? |
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Post by faggotygas on Jun 22, 2017 19:00:29 GMT
Economically, excessive concentration of wealth is a problem. There is only so much money that an individual can spend, meaning that money gets taken out of useful circulation and simply inflates asset prices, such as London housing. When the system isn't working properly, it's for governments the intervene for the greater good of the nation.You mean like Mao did in China, or Stalin in Russia, or should we look at a more recent version of these methods you claim to be good, like Venezuela? How are things going over there? No, more like what FDR did to end the Great Depression |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 19:51:38 GMT
You mean like Mao did in China, or Stalin in Russia, or should we look at a more recent version of these methods you claim to be good, like Venezuela? How are things going over there? No, more like what FDR did to end the Great Depression But we are not in a 'Great Depression' ? |
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Post by aghast on Jun 22, 2017 20:22:07 GMT
No, more like what FDR did to end the Great Depression But we are not in a 'Great Depression' ? I thought you just said this: "Are you aware that at the moment, the interest alone that we pay on our current debt is more than we spend on Defence and Education combined!" Anyway, austerity is yesterday's news. The Tories have abandoned it now. |
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