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Post by faggotygas on Jun 25, 2017 21:57:05 GMT
War is just another example of government spending on large scale projects and government intervention in markets improving the economy. Discuss! Can hardly say government intervention ,more like world then jap intervention . Of course the reality is we will never know but can speculate as if im correct din't fdr's first attempt fail ,then the war came along and it succeeded. Not trying to trivialise world war but it's one of the few things that guarantees very high employment and results in more people spending ,as they don't know if tomorrow will ever come What mean is, when push comes to shove even the great freedom loving US resorted to central control and massive government intervention to maximize productivity. The UK has a big productivity issue. |
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Post by faggotygas on Jun 25, 2017 22:00:34 GMT
If your prepared to accept a private health service,massive debt by goin to univerity,zero hours contracts,massive class sizes for working class people and no chance of getting on the housing ladder for your children and grandchildren then stick with old etonians but young people are rising up against such things. Maybe you dont have kids and have a good job and maybe inheritence so it dosnt affect you? But thank god young people are waking up and realising they can change things for the better., Zero hours contracts are very useful for lots of people. My children will get on the housing ladder as I have saved for them since birth and am working hard to pay my own mortgage. The University thing is pie in the sky! will your savings account be sufficient to allow for continued 10%+ house price inflation? |
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Post by faggotygas on Jun 25, 2017 22:22:32 GMT
War is just another example of government spending on large scale projects and government intervention in markets improving the economy. Discuss! Can hardly say government intervention ,more like world then jap intervention . Of course the reality is we will never know but can speculate as if im correct din't fdr's first attempt fail ,then the war came along and it succeeded. Not trying to trivialise world war but it's one of the few things that guarantees very high employment and results in more people spending ,as they don't know if tomorrow will ever come Anyway, I've realised that I've been side tracked. My problem with current economic policy is that we have anti inflationary fiscal policy with inflationary monetary policy, in an environment (brexit) that is likely to be inflationary, but probably in a highly unbalanced way. That makes me think that we have real problems ahead. |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jun 25, 2017 23:58:18 GMT
For me personally the blair years were of no use to me as i just didnt have anyone to vote for only a choice of 2 conservative parties. Now i feel i can vote for and enjoy getting behind a labour party doing what a labour party should do,standing up for ordinary people and their rights. the bLair n brown should be toward the bottom of my post sorry if it confused you ,the one in bold should have been above bLair, the others pertain to labour before and after Maggie. So what in your opinion is a ordinary person and their rights ,don't forget one pm did more damage to an individuals rights and freedoms than any other and he wasn't a tory inee Avatar Jun 14, 2017 at 2:27pm inee said: Lets not forget that under labour the number of council houses being built was cut Lets not forget under labour the nhs has also been underfunded Lets not forget under labour coal mines were shutting down at an alarming rate Lets not forget under labour the unions held the government to ransom Lets not forget under labour a deal was done with the libs welsh and scottish nationalists and the ulster unionists Lets not forget under labour bLair destabilized the middle east upon a fabricated whim and then had the fecking neck to get a job there to try and bring peace Lets not forget under labour Brown refused to burn the poppy fields as the farmers would go hungry, never mind the devastation opiated bring to the rest of the world Lets not forget under labour unemployment figure are massaged Lets not forget under labour no attempt has been made to renationalise the industries privatised by the tories:Grue Lets not forget under labour the party was turn't into a mild form of tory party. Lets not forget under labour bLair bought in almost one new law a day inee Avatar Jun 14, 2017 at 2:27pm inee said: Lets not forget that under labour the number of council houses being built was cut :Maggie sold them when they weren't built to sell but to give young couple the ability to save for their own home Lets not forget under labour the nhs has also been underfunded:More hospitals were built and staff trained and more money putmim thatn ever before by labour and under Blair Lets not forget under labour coal mines were shutting down at an alarming rate; Maggie has the coal bought in from Poland and South Africa rather than our own so she could beat the miners & had further plans to use the army had it gone on. She paid more to win that battle than she ever put into infrastructure and welfare Lets not forget under labour the unions held the government to ransom: That part is true but both governments had that to deal,witj Lets not forget under labour a deal was done with the libs welsh and scottish nationalists and the ulster unionists; relevance ? Lets not forget under labour bLair destabilized the middle east upon a fabricated whim and then had the fecking neck to get a job there to try and bring peace: no, that started with us joining the USA in Kuwait and was ALL about oil Lets not forget under labour Brown refused to burn the poppy fields as the farmers would go hungry, never mind the devastation opiated bring to the rest of the world; what gives us the right to tell other countries what they should be growing ? Lets not forget under labour unemployment figure are massaged; under the Tories the entire system was changed so that only those on Job seekers allowance was taken into account and by doing that wiped of over a million straight away from being unemployed, the YTS scheme brought slave labour to the big companies so they could use young peopl for,a year then get rid of themes I only know of one person who got a permanent placement from that scheme Lets not forget under labour no attempt has been made to renationalise the industries privatised by the tories:True Lets not forget under labour the party was turn't into a mild form of tory party; a story that has been repeated so many times that people now blindly believe it but more schools, hospitals, roads, doctors employed and nurses trained. Infrastructure was very well funded Lets not forget under labour bLair bought in almost one new law a day: relevance and name a couple that affected us as a nation in a negative way. We still habe laws unchanged from the 1300's |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jun 25, 2017 23:58:32 GMT
For me personally the blair years were of no use to me as i just didnt have anyone to vote for only a choice of 2 conservative parties. Now i feel i can vote for and enjoy getting behind a labour party doing what a labour party should do,standing up for ordinary people and their rights. the bLair n brown should be toward the bottom of my post sorry if it confused you ,the one in bold should have been above bLair, the others pertain to labour before and after Maggie. So what in your opinion is a ordinary person and their rights ,don't forget one pm did more damage to an individuals rights and freedoms than any other and he wasn't a tory inee Avatar Jun 14, 2017 at 2:27pm inee said: Lets not forget that under labour the number of council houses being built was cut Lets not forget under labour the nhs has also been underfunded Lets not forget under labour coal mines were shutting down at an alarming rate Lets not forget under labour the unions held the government to ransom Lets not forget under labour a deal was done with the libs welsh and scottish nationalists and the ulster unionists Lets not forget under labour bLair destabilized the middle east upon a fabricated whim and then had the fecking neck to get a job there to try and bring peace Lets not forget under labour Brown refused to burn the poppy fields as the farmers would go hungry, never mind the devastation opiated bring to the rest of the world Lets not forget under labour unemployment figure are massaged Lets not forget under labour no attempt has been made to renationalise the industries privatised by the tories:Grue Lets not forget under labour the party was turn't into a mild form of tory party. Lets not forget under labour bLair bought in almost one new law a day inee Avatar Jun 14, 2017 at 2:27pm inee said: Lets not forget that under labour the number of council houses being built was cut :Maggie sold them when they weren't built to sell but to give young couple the ability to save for their own home Lets not forget under labour the nhs has also been underfunded:More hospitals were built and staff trained and more money putmim thatn ever before by labour and under Blair Lets not forget under labour coal mines were shutting down at an alarming rate; Maggie has the coal bought in from Poland and South Africa rather than our own so she could beat the miners & had further plans to use the army had it gone on. She paid more to win that battle than she ever put into infrastructure and welfare Lets not forget under labour the unions held the government to ransom: That part is true but both governments had that to deal,witj Lets not forget under labour a deal was done with the libs welsh and scottish nationalists and the ulster unionists; relevance ? Lets not forget under labour bLair destabilized the middle east upon a fabricated whim and then had the fecking neck to get a job there to try and bring peace: no, that started with us joining the USA in Kuwait and was ALL about oil Lets not forget under labour Brown refused to burn the poppy fields as the farmers would go hungry, never mind the devastation opiated bring to the rest of the world; what gives us the right to tell other countries what they should be growing ? Lets not forget under labour unemployment figure are massaged; under the Tories the entire system was changed so that only those on Job seekers allowance was taken into account and by doing that wiped of over a million straight away from being unemployed, the YTS scheme brought slave labour to the big companies so they could use young peopl for,a year then get rid of themes I only know of one person who got a permanent placement from that scheme Lets not forget under labour no attempt has been made to renationalise the industries privatised by the tories:True Lets not forget under labour the party was turn't into a mild form of tory party; a story that has been repeated so many times that people now blindly believe it but more schools, hospitals, roads, doctors employed and nurses trained. Infrastructure was very well funded Lets not forget under labour bLair bought in almost one new law a day: relevance and name a couple that affected us as a nation in a negative way. We still habe laws unchanged from the 1300's |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 6:37:40 GMT
Zero hours contracts are very useful for lots of people. My children will get on the housing ladder as I have saved for them since birth and am working hard to pay my own mortgage. The University thing is pie in the sky! will your savings account be sufficient to allow for continued 10%+ house price inflation? 10%+ over what period? If there are shortfalls I can take money from my house. I will still have time to work. Putting a little bit aside for the kids makes sense surely. Even if it's to pay for driving lessons. Those lessons may open up employment opportunities. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 7:10:31 GMT
will your savings account be sufficient to allow for continued 10%+ house price inflation? 10%+ over what period? If there are shortfalls I can take money from my house. I will still have time to work. Putting a little bit aside for the kids makes sense surely. Even if it's to pay for driving lessons. Those lessons may open up employment opportunities. With respect, I think you miss the point |
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Post by faggotygas on Jun 26, 2017 7:33:37 GMT
will your savings account be sufficient to allow for continued 10%+ house price inflation? 10%+ over what period? If there are shortfalls I can take money from my house. I will still have time to work. Putting a little bit aside for the kids makes sense surely. Even if it's to pay for driving lessons. Those lessons may open up employment opportunities. Over a never ending period if monetary policy is not allowed to tighten. With the house price inflation we've seen over the last few years, compared to interest on cash savings, you need to be increasing the amount you have put aside for a deposit by 8-9% a year just to stay still.
Surely its clear that if people are having to borrow money to pay for their kids houses, the market is unsustainable? Borrowing money to borrow more money to chase price rises, that's a bubble. We will end up with very expensive houses that can't be sold as few can afford to buy. This can only result in an almighty crash, as confidence in valuation evaporates.
We need controlled monetary policy tightening (higher interest rates)to bring asset price inflation back to sustainable levels, but with weak business investment levels we can only get that (without causing a recession) through managed fiscal loosening. This will also give us somewhere to go should brexit cause an inflation shock, which I think is pretty likely. I don't understand why others cannot see this.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 8:36:23 GMT
10%+ over what period? If there are shortfalls I can take money from my house. I will still have time to work. Putting a little bit aside for the kids makes sense surely. Even if it's to pay for driving lessons. Those lessons may open up employment opportunities. Over a never ending period if monetary policy is not allowed to tighten. With the house price inflation we've seen over the last few years, compared to interest on cash savings, you need to be increasing the amount you have put aside for a deposit by 8-9% a year just to stay still.
Surely its clear that if people are having to borrow money to pay for their kids houses, the market is unsustainable? Borrowing money to borrow more money to chase price rises, that's a bubble. We will end up with very expensive houses that can't be sold as few can afford to buy. This can only result in an almighty crash, as confidence in valuation evaporates.
We need controlled monetary policy tightening (higher interest rates)to bring asset price inflation back to sustainable levels, but with weak business investment levels we can only get that (without causing a recession) through managed fiscal loosening. This will also give us somewhere to go should brexit cause an inflation shock, which I think is pretty likely. I don't understand why others cannot see this.
Correct. However I would define fiscal loosening as increased government spending on houses. Build 200,000 Homes a year for 5 years, does a couple of things. Brings downward pressure on house prices, creates employment and release capital for business investment rather than mortgages. Unless you vote Tory of course, where government intervention is an anathema |
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Post by faggotygas on Jun 26, 2017 8:53:54 GMT
Over a never ending period if monetary policy is not allowed to tighten. With the house price inflation we've seen over the last few years, compared to interest on cash savings, you need to be increasing the amount you have put aside for a deposit by 8-9% a year just to stay still.
Surely its clear that if people are having to borrow money to pay for their kids houses, the market is unsustainable? Borrowing money to borrow more money to chase price rises, that's a bubble. We will end up with very expensive houses that can't be sold as few can afford to buy. This can only result in an almighty crash, as confidence in valuation evaporates.
We need controlled monetary policy tightening (higher interest rates)to bring asset price inflation back to sustainable levels, but with weak business investment levels we can only get that (without causing a recession) through managed fiscal loosening. This will also give us somewhere to go should brexit cause an inflation shock, which I think is pretty likely. I don't understand why others cannot see this.
Correct. However I would define fiscal loosening as increased government spending on houses. Build 200,000 Homes a year for 5 years, does a couple of things. Brings downward pressure on house prices, creates employment and release capital for business investment rather than mortgages. Unless you vote Tory of course, where government intervention is an anathema Couldn't agree more, although any injection of wage inflation will help balance things out.
We aren't the only ones saying this, I've been to talks with various economists (and Andrew Neil of all people) over the last year where this was strongly advocated as a sensible intervention in a broken market. The only thing holding it back is ideology.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 9:23:13 GMT
10%+ over what period? If there are shortfalls I can take money from my house. I will still have time to work. Putting a little bit aside for the kids makes sense surely. Even if it's to pay for driving lessons. Those lessons may open up employment opportunities. Over a never ending period if monetary policy is not allowed to tighten. With the house price inflation we've seen over the last few years, compared to interest on cash savings, you need to be increasing the amount you have put aside for a deposit by 8-9% a year just to stay still.
Surely its clear that if people are having to borrow money to pay for their kids houses, the market is unsustainable? Borrowing money to borrow more money to chase price rises, that's a bubble. We will end up with very expensive houses that can't be sold as few can afford to buy. This can only result in an almighty crash, as confidence in valuation evaporates.
We need controlled monetary policy tightening (higher interest rates)to bring asset price inflation back to sustainable levels, but with weak business investment levels we can only get that (without causing a recession) through managed fiscal loosening. This will also give us somewhere to go should brexit cause an inflation shock, which I think is pretty likely. I don't understand why others cannot see this.
Ok that's useful. I've got a loose understanding of this and obviously am aware of house prices v savings. Rather than yearn for change and worry about the future though, I am actually saving money for that future. I don't see anything wrong with providing for my children until they can provide for themselves. I am also here to give them the guidance to achieve that hopefully. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 9:33:12 GMT
Over a never ending period if monetary policy is not allowed to tighten. With the house price inflation we've seen over the last few years, compared to interest on cash savings, you need to be increasing the amount you have put aside for a deposit by 8-9% a year just to stay still.
Surely its clear that if people are having to borrow money to pay for their kids houses, the market is unsustainable? Borrowing money to borrow more money to chase price rises, that's a bubble. We will end up with very expensive houses that can't be sold as few can afford to buy. This can only result in an almighty crash, as confidence in valuation evaporates.
We need controlled monetary policy tightening (higher interest rates)to bring asset price inflation back to sustainable levels, but with weak business investment levels we can only get that (without causing a recession) through managed fiscal loosening. This will also give us somewhere to go should brexit cause an inflation shock, which I think is pretty likely. I don't understand why others cannot see this.
Correct. However I would define fiscal loosening as increased government spending on houses. Build 200,000 Homes a year for 5 years, does a couple of things. Brings downward pressure on house prices, creates employment and release capital for business investment rather than mortgages. Unless you vote Tory of course, where government intervention is an anathema 200,000 homes a year? Ok so there's issues with space, location, environment, associated infrastructure. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 9:48:10 GMT
200,000 homes per year will not even cover what is needed for new immigrants.
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Post by inee on Jun 26, 2017 9:48:17 GMT
the bLair n brown should be toward the bottom of my post sorry if it confused you ,the one in bold should have been above bLair, the others pertain to labour before and after Maggie. So what in your opinion is a ordinary person and their rights ,don't forget one pm did more damage to an individuals rights and freedoms than any other and he wasn't a tory inee Avatar Jun 14, 2017 at 2:27pm inee said: Lets not forget that under labour the number of council houses being built was cut Lets not forget under labour the nhs has also been underfunded Lets not forget under labour coal mines were shutting down at an alarming rate Lets not forget under labour the unions held the government to ransom Lets not forget under labour a deal was done with the libs welsh and scottish nationalists and the ulster unionists Lets not forget under labour bLair destabilized the middle east upon a fabricated whim and then had the fecking neck to get a job there to try and bring peace Lets not forget under labour Brown refused to burn the poppy fields as the farmers would go hungry, never mind the devastation opiated bring to the rest of the world Lets not forget under labour unemployment figure are massaged Lets not forget under labour no attempt has been made to renationalise the industries privatised by the tories:Grue Lets not forget under labour the party was turn't into a mild form of tory party. Lets not forget under labour bLair bought in almost one new law a day inee Avatar Jun 14, 2017 at 2:27pm inee said: Lets not forget that under labour the number of council houses being built was cut :Maggie sold them when they weren't built to sell but to give young couple the ability to save for their own homeLets not forget under labour the nhs has also been underfunded:More hospitals were built and staff trained and more money putmim thatn ever before by labour and under Blair
Lets not forget under labour coal mines were shutting down at an alarming rate; Maggie has the coal bought in from Poland and South Africa rather than our own so she could beat the miners & had further plans to use the army had it gone on. She paid more to win that battle than she ever put into infrastructure and welfare
Lets not forget under labour the unions held the government to ransom: That part is true but both governments had that to deal,witj
Lets not forget under labour a deal was done with the libs welsh and scottish nationalists and the ulster unionists; relevance ?
Lets not forget under labour bLair destabilized the middle east upon a fabricated whim and then had the fecking neck to get a job there to try and bring peace: no, that started with us joining the USA in Kuwait and was ALL about oil
Lets not forget under labour Brown refused to burn the poppy fields as the farmers would go hungry, never mind the devastation opiated bring to the rest of the world; what gives us the right to tell other countries what they should be growing [/b] Lets not forget under labour unemployment figure are massaged; under the Tories the entire system was changed so that only those on Job seekers allowance was taken into account and by doing that wiped of over a million straight away from being unemployed, the YTS scheme brought slave labour to the big companies so they could use young peopl for,a year then get rid of themes I only know of one person who got a permanent placement from that scheme Lets not forget under labour no attempt has been made to renationalise the industries privatised by the tories:True
Lets not forget under labour the party was turn't into a mild form of tory party; a story that has been repeated so many times that people now blindly believe it but more schools, hospitals, roads, doctors employed and nurses trained. Infrastructure was very well funded[/b] Lets not forget under labour bLair bought in almost one new law a day: relevance and name a couple that affected us as a nation in a negative way. We still habe laws unchanged from the 1300's[/b] [/span] Lets not forget under labour the nhs has also been underfunded:More hospitals were built and staff trained and more money putmim thatn ever before by labour and under Blair[/quote][/quote][/span][/quote][/quote] Never denied maggie sold of homes ,i even went as far as saying she started the whole i must own a house craze ,however the fact remains that before maggie labour had slowed building to a crawl ,after maggie hardly any got build and labour did not remove right to buy legislation but carried it on. Labour have always said the nhs is on the brink of collapse more so when they were in power , where did all the money blair put in go. people have to take some responsibility for the recent extension of waiting times whether that be in a&e or longer treatment times, all those idiots going to a&e for treatment rather than going to their gp have used up so many resources ,gp's also have to shoulder some blame for refusal to refer people as the doctors are getting younger they in the main prefer to send you to get problems sorted out more readily ,in the short term it may cost a bit more but in the long run it will save a fortune as some get diagnosed and treated a lot sooner and a lot cheaper .time to get rid of some of those mangers and bring back the old system of matron responsible for a set of wards ,that way the people on the front line will get a better environment to work in. Yes both had unions to deal with but under wilson then callaghan the unions got too powerful ,if callaghan had enacted on a draft policy to restrict union power a lot of hardship would have been avoided (think back to ford and the excessive pay demands) , If the unions had not got so greedy for power then in all probability maggie wouldn't have gone for the unions jugular. The deal with the uu scottish n welsh nationalists was bought up as blue butterfly used it in this thread , so i reminded him/her that prior to may looking to NI to form a coalition ,callaghan had already done the NI deal in the past. yes but under the guise of freeing kuwait from iraqi persecution and again under the guise of WMD ,which directly lead to destabilization across the arab countries , the deaths of many fine uk service men/women , more people with mental health issues untreated and more of our heroes being homeless(it's a known fact that war does this as some can't settle after) ,look at the balkans leaders charged with war crimes so why wasn't bLair . Afghanistan i agree what right and i have said time and time again get our Troops home ,even the russians could not win over there ,so what chance have we got ,the point about brown was he would rather have people over here addicted to smack than close one of the main suppliers ,It would have been so much easier to burn the crop and pay the farmers the pittance they get for their poppies and tell them to grow food The coal was being stock piled by the government the initial reason was because at that time we couldn't rely on miners to not strike,with the miners strike it wasnt as clear cut as scargill would have you believe,i replied to a post about the miners strike elsewhere in this thread and would take an age to repost it here,you have to bear in mind that the coal mines were losing money hand over fist and being shut down at an alarming rate wilson closed just over twice the amount of pits that maggie did ,with only a small recovery due to the oil crisis ,if scargill hadn't got into the union leadership by trickery then thing would have probably been so different. Yes figures are massaged but at no time did a labour government repeal those changes and record figures properly. yts/yop i know many myself included who got jobs off the back of it, i also benefited from the ets program and got a job from that. of course some companies were going to take the pish ,theres no difference with labours apprenticeships( personally i hate that word under the context of what it became ie no 4 year course with indentures). freedom laws i listed quite a few already but a few ,right to protest ,and many other so called anti social behaviour laws ,terrorism laws which make it easy for anyone to be labeled and arrested on the whim of a copper, and tweaks to many laws allowing arrest for going about your lawful business ,take a look at football laws you can be arrested ,charged and banned from a football ground even if you arn't a football fan just for being in the vicinity of a ground on matchdays. another set of laws section (something or other i forgot) which says that if a member of public reports you for say a loud exhaust on your car ,a copper can visit ,and issue you a notice if someone else does it then you can be charged, whether you have done something wrong or not the onus is on you to disprove wrongdoing. 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Post by inee on Jun 26, 2017 10:23:34 GMT
Can hardly say government intervention ,more like world then jap intervention . Of course the reality is we will never know but can speculate as if im correct din't fdr's first attempt fail ,then the war came along and it succeeded. Not trying to trivialise world war but it's one of the few things that guarantees very high employment and results in more people spending ,as they don't know if tomorrow will ever come What mean is, when push comes to shove even the great freedom loving US resorted to central control and massive government intervention to maximize productivity. The UK has a big productivity issue. I can't disagree with you there i have said time and time again this country needs to go back to teaching kids how to use their hands in school ,they have it lessons but i have found lots of youngsters know more than the curriculum teaches em. It's all very well teaching people computer theory but doesn't extend into use of programming into embedded applications enough(although a lot of kids are now studying using embedded programming in their own time). Things need to go back to the old days both boys n girls taught things like needlework, cooking ,metalwork ,woodwork and art. as these things along with helping kids used their hands and use their brains to solve stuff ,the subconsciously use maths to achieve the end result, for many it give's a sense of pride to take away something you built with your own hands ,it also encourages (some)kids to visualize the end results(not everyone can do that no matter how well they are educated). it also encourages kids to think about practical safe ways to solve issues in the real world ,and for many it reawakens the desire to choose a different career path in many cases something that they would never have thought of in a thousand years. However to achieve this H&S needs to be revisited with the realisation that bar a few injuries(lessons in life) ,kids can actually use sharp tools and equipment safely . In all honesty how many kids know about manufacturing rather than jobs in computing ,that riles me somewhat ,as they have been sold he idea that work hard with it and get a nice it based job ,but aren't told the reality of sitting in an office surrounded by plebs entering data all day ,mind numbingly boring. We seem to have lost our way with regards to education ,if you stimulate a kids mind then the majority become inquisitive and not adverse to hard work |
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Post by inee on Jun 26, 2017 11:00:00 GMT
Can hardly say government intervention ,more like world then jap intervention . Of course the reality is we will never know but can speculate as if im correct din't fdr's first attempt fail ,then the war came along and it succeeded. Not trying to trivialise world war but it's one of the few things that guarantees very high employment and results in more people spending ,as they don't know if tomorrow will ever come Anyway, I've realised that I've been side tracked. My problem with current economic policy is that we have anti inflationary fiscal policy with inflationary monetary policy, in an environment (brexit) that is likely to be inflationary, but probably in a highly unbalanced way. That makes me think that we have real problems ahead. I look at the other side with brexit ,if the money we save by not paying in would be spent on housing, for example a set amount for each council to build council housing given to a different council each month then in no short order homelessness would be a thing of the past ,jobs would be created(however most only temporary on the building sites). Stop overseas aid lets face it we help countries who have nuclear weapons and a space program ffs. There are other countries to trade with in the world not just europe ,i tend to buy a lot of stuff from china ,post takes a while but then so does mail order from the uk. Do people honestly believe that europe will make trading with them so difficult for us ,as we are high users of german vehicles ,it's wont take long for the profits at the likes of mercedes to dip before they fight for free trade with us. Them pesky yankees they would trade in a heartbeat if we imposed high tariffs on their goods ,we are a major consumer of us built motorcycle parts amongst other stuff, so they couldn't afford not to trade with us. We also need to look at costs in this country , i needed some car parts in this country ,they would have cost over £190 with betwixt 2weeks and a month wait, instead i ordered from bulgaria and paid £80(ish) with a guaranteed 7 day delivery(yes they are in the eu but why are oem parts so much cheaper abroad). I have also ordered pats from non eu countries and they have always been cheaper than buying in the uk. A shop i use often have opened a uk store post brexit,so if a polish company can open a store in the uk knowing brexit is here ,then they are confident that not much will change. We just have to hope may will stick to her guns and not give up too much (sh** theres another discussion ) |
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Post by You can call me Al. on Jun 26, 2017 16:30:25 GMT
When people get the idea that they do not have to work as hard because the other half is going to take care of them (make up the shortfall), and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work hard for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation.
Socialist idealogy is a fantastic dream, but sadly as proved over many many attempts just doesn't work.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 18:28:27 GMT
Steady Mr Sugar......the left don't understand common sense.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 26, 2017 19:02:16 GMT
Just because socialism doesn't work, doesn't mean capitalism does either.
Too many people make money for nothing in this world.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 19:03:18 GMT
200,000 homes a year is 95 lyde greens each year. Lyde green is a 10 year development.
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