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Post by warehamgas on Feb 17, 2023 10:14:20 GMT
Thanks Topper for posting that. Well done Tom for being pretty open about future plans. First time I’ve seen such an open written discussion from someone employed by BRFC for a long time. Plenty of rumours but this is more. Good to read. Things looking up? 🤔
UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 17, 2023 9:57:50 GMT
The more important thing for me amongst all the talk of goalkeeper is…..I wonder if for once we have a really good plan regarding Jed Ward. Knowing that his potential is really very good did JB have a plan to use Ward eventually? When Belshaw arrived I’m not sure that the plan was for him to be first choice, Ansi was still ok albeit injury prone and Belshaw became first choice after playing well. Think he’s on a two year contract so decision to be made in April/May. Meanwhile they sent Ward out on various loans for two years always hoping that he’d come back and be a serious keeper but with more experience. (A bit like what AFCB did with Aaron Ramsdale, sending him out knowing he’d comeback ready to be first choice.) Everyone says Ward is very good and that being the case I hope he will get the chance with us. Just as any very good player would have done years ago with us. Fingers crossed.
UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 17, 2023 9:47:34 GMT
Until he was banned Oldie was one of the regular gang on the other forum, it seems he has no real interest in this forum apart from being a WUM. Many posters live happily on both forums however there's no way you can be pro Wael/JB/Rovers and survive for long on the other forum. Totally agree on that one topper ! 👍💙 Yes…and? So what? Crikey it’s getting a bit like the Gestapo checking up on everyone! Need to chill out and let people make their own choices and have an alternative pov. 😉 UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 16, 2023 23:16:10 GMT
You mean another forum for BRFC fans? That is allowed isn’t it? Or do we need to follow ‘a line’ and not give our views? Btw, I certainly hope to see us win on Saturday. I’m sure we all do. 😉 UTG! Until he was banned Oldie was one of the regular gang on the other forum, it seems he has no real interest in this forum apart from being a WUM. Many posters live happily on both forums however there's no way you can be pro Wael/JB/Rovers and survive for long on the other forum. That’s daft Topper! I’ve been on there for years and I consider myself a very pro-BRFC and pro-Wael person. I have called Wael out for the lack of being kept informed about a new ground given what he said in ‘16 but I’d consider myself broadly supportive of him and what he’s done. And you’re pretty good at checking on oldie’s posting history so check mine. I’ve always given JB credit where it’s due esp when he manages the team. But I will call him out for certain aspects of his management (as you’ve seen on this thread!). I have been supportive of Wael and BRFC on the other place and have not been attacked (verbally) though I’m sure some will disagree with me. That’s what happens on a forum. I’ve somehow survived so let’s not be so dramatic. 😉 UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 16, 2023 22:14:00 GMT
I don't believe for 1 minute this Oldie person is a Rovers fan, he can't be he is continuously putting the club down one way or another. Just hope we win on Saturday and then he'll disappear back to the other forum. You mean another forum for BRFC fans? That is allowed isn’t it? Or do we need to follow ‘a line’ and not give our views? Btw, I certainly hope to see us win on Saturday. I’m sure we all do. 😉 UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 15, 2023 23:04:51 GMT
No he won’t, you know that and so do I. No player would ever win that argument. He would definitely be finished if that happened. As we’ve seen JB has total control as he has shown. And JB has used Belshaw to exercise his muscles! UTG! So are you suggesting Barton has totally fabricated the whole thing with Belshaw ? That to me seems even more far fetched . I’ve no idea, he probably hasn’t fabricated the ‘whole thing’. I do know that I wouldn’t always agree with JB nor always believe what he says or his interpretation of stuff in the post match press conference. Seriously yatton do you believe everything JB says in his post match conferences? UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 15, 2023 22:09:51 GMT
How do you know he did? Blimey, you really do believe everything JB tells you! 🤔 UTG! Well if he’s telling porkies I’m sure Belshaw will be going to the PFA as we speak . No he won’t, you know that and so do I. No player would ever win that argument. He would definitely be finished if that happened. As we’ve seen JB has total control as he has shown. And JB has used Belshaw to exercise his muscles! UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 15, 2023 22:05:44 GMT
That's the point Hugo isn't it. Employee relations should not be played out in public. It says as much about the line manager that does this as it does about the employee who may have committed a misdemeanor. I struggle to understand why some think this is ok and conducive to team moral. Is this place a parallel universe? What’s worse for team moral , a player not giving 100% to the team or the manager rightly calling him out for it ? Everyone has to buy into what the manager requires in football to be successful and you just can’t compare it to a slacker in the office or shop floor . I think Barton has decided Belshaw isn’t a top half league one player , hence why he’s brought in a new keeper . Belshaw realises his days at the club look numbered and he hasn’t taken it very well . Yes yatton, I don’t disagree with that. Nor do I disagree with getting Balcombe in if he sees fit or playing him. What worries me is the continual list of players he calls out in public. JB loves a scapegoat! It should be kept in-house and not carry it out at a press conference. And as we all know, or should do, what JB says in a press conference is often well off what the actuality is. How many players were we going to sign in the window? JB never answers questions, he just says what he wants to say. Entertaining when we’re doing well. Not so good if you’re the scapegoat at the end of his rants. I hope we win on Saturday which would end all this nonsense as well as give us 3 points! UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 15, 2023 21:56:31 GMT
He should be called out and dropped, but so publicly? Yep. About the worse thing you can do as a professional footballer is to have a tantrum about being dropped then train poorly . He’s not a 20 yr old kid either. How do you know he did? Blimey, you really do believe everything JB tells you! 🤔 UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 15, 2023 18:25:35 GMT
So JB announces to those concerned he’s continuing with Balcombe & Belshaw reacts with a half arsed showing in training and poor attitude? If that’s how it’s gone down, how can anyone back the ‘professional’ in this instance? Very bizarre. No time for dummy spitters. Fight for your place and give it 10/10 every day in training man, show the boss you’re taking your game up a level and worth that starting spot. Dude you’re spot on about fighting for your place and giving 10/10 in training. My point is that we only have JBs account of it, Belshaw won’t be able to reply. And I’ve seen and heard too many of JBs press conferences and know we only hear things from his side. Just because JB says it doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s true. Matters of this nature, if true, should remain ‘in-house’ and not spoken in such detail at a press conference. Sometimes saying less is better but that’s not JBs style. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 15, 2023 17:52:15 GMT
It does seem out of character of Belshaw, but then again we only see him on matchdays when the cameras are on. I dont think Barton would drop him like that without good reason though. When Belly first arrived at the club, some of the players hid bits of fish in his car. It took him a few days to work out where the smell was coming from, and he didn't take it at all well. Not what I would have expected from what we see of him on matchdays etc, so he may well have a different side to his character. I am a big fan of Belshaw, I was puzzled by why we brought the new goalie in, and I really hope that Belly earns his place back in the first team. What’s the source of that story Tilly? Blimey, now that JB has spoken is it open season on Belshaw and can we expect more crap to emerge about him? BRFC….loyal and true!! 🤔 UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 15, 2023 17:45:47 GMT
The reason I worry about consequences is it also has financial impacts. We now have 2 keepers on the wage bill unlikely to play or be trusted. Plus a loanee we will be paying wages for. Agree with pirate on signing the Orient keeper this summer but expect them to go up and maybe then just a sideways move for him? But if Belshaw now quits in the summer that's one less senior player on the wage bill? Not sure anyone would quit would they? They leave because their contract is up and is not renewed or the club sells them. If his contract is up then good luck to him now that JB has accused him of being unprofessional. He deserves better than that as a commendation, after last season. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 15, 2023 15:55:18 GMT
It was always going to end this way after JB made a scapegoat of him in his last few performances. Was only a few months ago he was saying he’s the best English keeper outside the top league and warranted a statue etc. And this is why most don’t seem to like Barton the person. Got to say I’m in that camp too thing is it’s all about results and if he’s successful while he’s here then that means Rovers are successful so I’ll take that. The way I see it is the manager ain’t our mate I don’t have to like him or go for a pint with him, but if he’s doing well for Rovers that’s good enough. Alex Ferguson and Brian Clough weren’t that likeable to a lot of people but they were highly successful so they got it right. Exactly socrates. And I don’t think JB has set us up correctly over the past few weeks. He did last night and it went much better. Players in the positions where they are best. Coutts needed a rest a few games ago but it took some time for JB to do that. It’s all about results and performances and when JB concentrates on that and doesn’t get sidetracked into arguments etc we do well. He has a real ability to organise teams and set them up well but he can be inconsistent, imo. And of course, woe betide you if you upset him!! UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 15, 2023 15:44:32 GMT
"Joey will say anything to shift blame" is opinion not fact. Why would the manager contrive such a story if it wasn't true? There is absolutely nothing to be gained by anyone by manufacturing dissent (Joey, not you PP). He was full of praise for James Belshaw in his interview, but said his attitude wasnot what he would expect. If players won't adhere to what a manger wants,then we have the outrage of Campbell and Dave Penny all over again. Exactly Why would Barton lie/exaggerate when it would have happened in front of the players and staff in training? This would just cause unrest amongst other players as well as Belshaw. Some people will jump on anything to knock Barton though so guess that explains it. Come on doc and LMW! Why would JB “lie/ exaggerate”? Do you really believe everything JB says in press conferences? JB exaggerates all the time whether it’s about refs, oppositions, players, decisions or anything. I’ve heard enough post match conferences to know that JB doesn’t always tell it how it is but to tell the story he wants to tell. He does not do measured and reflective. He reacts to circumstances and as we saw in the season we went down and at the start of last season he will hang players out to dry, Thomas last season, Clarke, Thomas this season when he left, and now Belshaw. In the season we went down he did the same with Ehmer and others and even if he was bad it’s not a way to get the best out of your squad. But this is what JB does, it deflects away from his own mistakes. It’s almost as if he thinks, ‘let’s give gasheads something to talk about….I’ll tell them about someone….’ By the way, I’ve no problem with Belshaw being dropped, his performances had dropped a bit and he needed to be pushed into improving his performances. And good luck to ElleryB, he looks a good prospect. But I’m not comfortable with players being made scapegoats for JBs own shortcomings. Last night for example we played well, players in their proper positions and we got a well-deserved draw. JB set us up really well as we know he can do. Why does he feel the need to do what he does? Concentrate on the football and he is a very good manager. I suspect had we lost we may not have heard about Belshaw but because we played well and Balcombe had a good game he was able to use Belshaw to make JB look better. How do we know Belshaw acted unprofessionally? All we have is JBs side of the story and unfortunately experience as our manager and before tells me that what JB says isn’t necessarily the whole truth or the whole story. Sorry to be a party pooper after a very good performance but I have real sympathy for how Belshaw has been, in effect ‘outed’ as being unprofessional, on the basis of just JB. Should have been kept ‘in-house.’ UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 14, 2023 20:12:23 GMT
Some simple fixes. Only captains talk to refs. Red cards for surrounding/harassing the ref. Yellow cards for questioning the ref/asking for fouls unless the captain. Advancing free kick positions for failure to retreat, delaying or deliberately blocking free kicks. Mic refs so decisions are explained and players comments are recorded/heard. Abandon games and awards win to opposition when abuse of refs and officials goes too far or for persistent failure to control players. Watching live football most weeks and you are spot on Hugo. Some simple remedies but the FA or whoever just lack the ***** to do it. Do what you’ve said there would be a spike in cards for a few weeks before it settled down and we all had a better game to watch. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 14, 2023 11:49:01 GMT
Right now anywhere above 21st will do nicely It will do. I said 13th back in September so I’ll stick with that. Most of the season it’s looked as if it could be higher (after Oxford at home), lower after October, higher after our good November and December and now it’s looking not so good. We are very inconsistent so I’ll stick with 13th and hope we can stop talking about looking downwards. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 13, 2023 20:56:13 GMT
League winners: Sheffield W, runners up Plymouth with Bolton winning the play-offs. Relegated: Morecambe, FGR, Cheltenham and Cambridge. UTG! You should of just said you agreed with me 🙄😂 Or I could have said great minds think alike. Others might say fools seldom differ. But yes, on this occasion, we are in agreement. 😉 UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 13, 2023 19:00:11 GMT
League winners: Sheffield W, runners up Plymouth with Bolton winning the play-offs.
Relegated: Morecambe, FGR, Cheltenham and Cambridge.
UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 13, 2023 18:56:07 GMT
I follow for me tomorrow night now. Had a bad spate of migraines and my vision not come back enough to drive or stand on a crowded terrace yet. Weve been dreadful lately against sides of similar ability but it would be typical Rovers to play their hearts out and get a result. Hers hoping anyway. You get well soon socrates. Tuck yourself in, listen on ifollow and enjoy a 1-0 win. 👍 UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 12, 2023 22:26:13 GMT
Elliot came on for his normal 15 minutes at the end yesterday v AFCB. As he warmed up in front of the stand I’m in he looked as if he’s been busy in the gym this season. Came on and played left side of midfield and did ok. Feisty match, not so much the game itself but the reaction to Ryan Fraser who sat on the bench. The AFCB fans chanted some stuff about him throughout the second half. Needless to say he didn’t do any warm ups. Others said he went into the tunnel to do them. Made our reception of the snake seem a bit mild. Snake faced it up, Fraser hid away. Obviously Eddie H got a magnificent reception throughout the match and esp at the end.
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